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Here are some of the hitch reviews/instructions I mentioned earlier.
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- the car is marginally bigger in all interior dimensions but not significantly so, except for the depth of the trunk which is quite a bit deeper.
- the tan cloth interior is ugly but not as ugly as I had anticipated.
- the centre stack of the dash looks a bit stark.
- the parking brake is easy to get used to.
- the sliding rear seat is handy.
- don't like the placement of the gas-door release. Too hard to reach. Plus may be possible to pull hood release instead when groping for it in the dark.
- Gas tank seems to be positioned awfully low.
- tire/wheel combo IS small.
- attractive-looking engine cover.
- new tail lights are attractive but rear bumper is ugly.
- auto tranny shifter is not nearly as weird-looking as I had thought.
- personally, if I buy one, I would go for the Mojave Mist with tan leather interior, security alarm, side step-rail, tonneau cover
BTW, I went to the same dealer as Mark777. The prices quoted include PDI and Freight.
i see people complain about the 15 inch wheels on the cr-v. what gen 1 had 205/70-15 you can go up and get 16 inch rims and put 215/60-16 (i think) while gettitng the same circumference you get 16 inch wheels. would you rather have that???
- The "saddle" interior is brutal; the seats are so-so but the brown plastic is just gross! The salesmen were mumbling that it is so bad that it might be a problem for them. Too bad as I really like the red exterior, but not enough to stare at brown plastic for another 4 years or so!
- The 15" wheel/tire combo does seem small, especially compared to the competition.
My main frame of reference is the Escape (which I have rented). I measured the back cargo areas and the dimensions are almost identical (supported by the claimed cargo volumes). The CR-V interior is slightly wider and taller, but the wheel wells are more intrusive. However, this is with the CR-V seats all the way back - slide them up and its another story. The back seat leg room (with the seats back) is much more substantial in the CR-V. However, the front seat leg room seems quite small. Not a big deal for me or my wife (5-10 and 5-2 respectively), but if I was over 6' I would not like to sit in the front passenger seat long. The rear seat fold and flip arrangement blows the Escape's setup away. The fit and feel of the interior feels much better than the Escape (surprise - not!). I do not like the side-swing door on the CR-V. It would be a pain in parking lots and trying to load stuff from the curb. I much prefer the swing up hatch. Overall the CR-V is much more appealing to our needs as we are looking for the most car-like small 'ute. Need a test drive as a final comparison.
Looking at a 5-spd EX with arm rests, leather steering wheel, and wheel locking nuts and they quoted us a slightly under MSRP right off the bat! If I can just get my ducks lined up...
The car is popular right now, but I think this is a very fair offer, esp. considering that if they don't make it we buy something else and they lose our business completely. I didn't really want to offer more than $2-300 over invoice, but I guess I'm getting weak
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Interior design is surprisingly spacious. The track on the rear seats is very cool. I like the stereo and climate controls, but that little storage compartment in the middle is just goofy and out of place. Parking brake is kind of cool. First impression on sitting in it however was that of a minivan -- this is probably as close to a minivan as you can get without being one, which is probably a great niche to be in. Folding rear seats is also a great design.
Overall I thought it drove quite nicely for the price point and function. My wife absolutely loved it (the sunroof helps a lot) although she was very disappointed it doesn't offer heated seats for our Minnesota winters. We both like leather also, but it would just seem out of place on this car.
IMHO, if they put a V6 in, made the interior a little nicer, offered a bigger wheel/tire combo and leather for $25-27 they would absolutely crush the higher end V6 versions of the Escape, Tribute and Liberty. And it would still be different enough from the new Honda SUV, which I heard is going to be about 8" longer than the MDX.
These are the 5 speed ratios for the '02:
1st gear 3.533
2nd gear 1.880
3rd gear 1.212
4th gear .0921
5th gear .0738
Reverse 3.583
Final Drive Ratio 4.765
And these are the '96-01:
1st gear 3.5
2nd gear 1.956
3rd gear 1.344
4th gear 1.071
5th gear 0.812
Reverse 3.461
Final Drive Ratio 4.562
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
I am personally looking at the 5 speed because a) I still think the engine is too weak for an auto and b) my wife prefers the stick shift anyhow!
Also, can you get a siren kit with the Honda security system? There is no mention of a siren option on the H and A Accessories site.
Bob
otherwise the forester is a great deal, especially with 1.8% financing that subaru canada has. Aren't they due for a redesign though next year? That could hurt an 02's resale value in the years to come.
I also notice that Subaru's got a Sport Edition of the Forester in '02 for the Canadian market to try to do something about the look.
Yachtie
I looked in the front wheel wells, and saw a huge hole and can see all the way across to the other side.
Does anyone else get the feeling that there has been some serious cost-cutting measures inflicted on the new CR-V, if you consider the subpar seat fabric, the rather stark and plasticky dash, the hole in the wheelwell, the manual seat adjustment, etc. The new V no doubt drives better and is roomier, but I certainly wouldn't rate it as an step forward on the luxury scale compared to the old one. In fact, I would even venture to say that the dash and seat fabric of the old one are superior and more attractive than the new one.
If Honda has been cutting corners then they must be making a bundle on the V. If you price out the V against the Accord, feature for feature, the Accord would seem like a howling bargain. And don't forget the V is just a derivative of the Civic platform so it wasn't as if Honda had to spend a pile of development $ on a separate platform.
There bottom line price for an LX is $19,434. Is that a decent price?
On top of that you would have to add freight and air tax totalling $995. so it appears gross profit margin for the dealers is approx. 8.5%
I leased it for 39 months thru Honda Bank of America, $320 tax included, NO Money down execpt for the first month's payment of $320 which leaves me with 38 more payments, no motor vehicle fees or plate fees either, no bank fees, nothing but the first month's payment down. Also 15,000 miles yr.
was this good...bad??....I thought it was very good.
I can't really say whether it is a good deal or not. However, at the end of 40 months, you have no equity in the CR-V and, to you, it has no resale value.
Perhaps others with direct experience can shed some light.
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Bob
If the Impreza TS wagon had the shape, room and practicality of the Focus wagon, it actually would be quite a deal at $22-23000.
The CRV vs Accord EX - same price, Accord much snazzier. I wonder how the comparison will be with the 2003 Accord. Look at what Nissan sells the new Altima for. 240HP, looks great, full load, a little cheap interior, but less $$$ than a CRV-EX.
The Escape XLT V6 vs Ford F-150 XLT Supercab 4x4, same price. The pickup looks to be about 2 times as big and substantial as the Escape when they are parked beside each other on the dealer's lot.
In many cases, they also get about the same mileage - 19 to 21mpg.
Jerry
I doubt that the 2003 Accord will match the hp numbers of the Altima...240hp Accord would be more powerful than a base model Acura TL.
Bob
I have a '99 5spd. Only dislike is engine noise at 70+ MPH. Would expect the '02 to be much better given '99 turns about 3800 rpm at 80 MPH.
Drove '02 with auto and thought it was much quiter.
If Honda follows past, they will probably increase HP and add some features for '04. That's when I'll probably be in market again.
Not sure what to do...
Don't get so worked up about MSRP and what the dealer makes, focus instead on your budget, your intended purchase and what you have set aside for your purchase.
If you look at your purchase in that way you'll be ahead in this game.
Jerry
so, if on the ex, the dealer is making approx 8.5%, let's apply that to the lx which is what i'm interested in.
msrp 27,900
minus 8.5% profit = 25,556 invoice price
so, let's say 5% profit is fair (although hardliners will say 3% is fair), that should add 1278 profit, for a total of 26,834
the price i was quoted was 27,750 before frt/pdi. OUCH!!!! i'm getting taken for a total of 7.9% (or 2194) profit before frt/pdi!!!!!
Is this vehicle worth giving that much profit to the dealer????
msrp 27,900
minus 8.5% profit = 25,556 invoice price
That's not quite right. If the sale price is $27,900 and includes 8.5% profit, then the invoice price had to be $25,714.
5% profit on the $25,714 invoice would bring the price to $27,000 even. Fortuitously, your 7.9% figure is correct though using your incorrect figures actually gives 8.6%
Good deal? That's not for me to say!
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I'm sorry u dont know what else to do to prove it to you...or for that matter should I even care?
You dont beleive me, thats fine...I'm not gonna lose sleep over it..I got the truck and love it and with that deal love it even more.
My only gripe about the CRV 02 is the middle rear seat head rest seems to block a bit of the view out the back window, perhaps this can be lowered??
and the skimpy 15 inch wheels looks a bit small for a truck this sharp looking
That is cheaper than the 2002 CRV-EX.
Yes the Altima has some torque steer.
But its tire size is more proportional to the vehicle than the CRV's are.
I wait for the 2003 Accord, 2003 Mazda-6 and 2003 Forester before I make my decision.
The 2002 CRV has not turned out to be the vehicle to get now.
At $CDN31,000+ for a CRV-EX, I would sooner get the Accord EX-V6, a Passat 1.8T, or a Legacy GT.
msrp 27,900
minus 8.5% profit = 25,714 invoice price
add 5% profit = 27000
and yes, my bottomline is i'm paying 7.9% profit...
heh heh, and with my fortuitous math i should run for the British Columbia Minister of Finance.
Of course, this is irrelevant to the issue at hand, which, as Marky777 has said, is should we be paying almost full sticker for the car? Is it that desireable? Is it that much of a homerun for Honda? I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but personally the 1st impression is similar to what brydymond said. I was a little underwhelmed. I didn't come away saying I've gotta have this car. The exterior styling is an evolution on the previous generation's cute 'ute image, which is fine. I have no problem whatsoever with that. It's the interior and the feature content that got me shaking my head. In this price range, can they not make the dash a little less stark and a little richer-looking, less plasticky, less blank spaces? A more luxurious cloth for the seats? Should a tonneau cover be standard equipment? How about auto-off headlights, variable intermittent wipers, gas struts for the hood? I don't think its unreasonable to expect to have stuff like that.
I just don't believe that the 2.4 liter engine is only good for 160hp. Honda has 2.0 liters capable of going up to 240hp. I'm hoping they'll bump it up to around 180hp in about a year. While they're at it, newer (and better looking) interior color schemes would be nice. I don't mind the semi-cheap looking materials, but the colors themselves are tacky!