Toyota 4Runner

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  • rogers12rogers12 Member Posts: 140
    I don't have an owner's manual and you didn't say you did either. I only cited Edmunds's data and let everyone decide who they chose to believe. What do you want me to say? Edmunds says belt and terrafirma says chain therefore Edmunds must be wrong? (rhetorical). Somehow, I trust Edmunds information more than yours.

    You were right and Edmunds was wrong. OK? I still don't give a hoot. I was just presenting the data I had.

    Case closed please.
  • motownusamotownusa Member Posts: 836
  • terrafirmaterrafirma Member Posts: 212
    Good info to know.

    That fuel thing recall was talked about a while ago. It only affects 4 Runners made before april 03.

    If that's what caused the lower rating it's odd. So pre-april 03 gets a lower reliability rating and post-may 03 trucks get a good rating? When you get the recall fixed does it make your truck reliable again?

    Odd system they have...seems like the more you find out the more confusing it is.
  • aggiedogaggiedog Member Posts: 238
    They are just that. Literally chains (or cables) linked around your tires that give you better traction in snow and ice. Most likely used in higher elevations (mountains) and wintry climates. Obviously you won't have those issues in Tampa, unless you're driving over Warren Sapp :)
  • likalarlikalar Member Posts: 108
    Jared, K2m, thanks for your posts on your dissappointment with the cable type chains. I was also thinking of getting these, but now will do a little more "digging" before I decide.
    Larry
  • bcmalibu99lsbcmalibu99ls Member Posts: 625
    for explaining the meaning of SR5 and toyo logo, you are very kind. And please don't fight over timing chains, we are all nice people here, aren't we :-)
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Member Posts: 378
    I have also heard that the symbol represents every letter in TOYOTA. The A is the interesting letter to read in it.
  • polartoypolartoy Member Posts: 18
    Thanks for the correct info Stephen2. I was just going to measure my rotors on the 2003LTD and try the oem steel rims. Dealer kept telling me they would not fit, but obviously do. What did you pay for the rims? They are asking $80 each in Vancouver. Thanks
  • likalarlikalar Member Posts: 108
    My '03 Sport has the heavy duty hitch set up. To the left, under the bumper, is mounted the round factory electrical plug for the trailer lights. It has 6 flat prongs forming a circle and 2 center prongs. I've visited 2 dealers to try to buy the female plug to attach to my trailer's wires. Neither dealer has had any success finding a part # or illustration to show us what to buy/order. Anyone have a part #? Is this a Toyota-only part? Was the part supposed to come with the truck? Thanks for the help.
    Larry
  • ckdexterckdexter Member Posts: 12
    Try one of U-Haul corporate operated centers. I have recently rented a car trailer from them, it was equipped with a combination of a plug and an adapter that matched the socket in my truck. They sell various adapters for that purpose.
  • toyboxxtoyboxx Member Posts: 150
    Mine came with the truck. I just ran out to my truck to get it and I don't see Toyota anywhere on the package but the part number on it is:

    (WIRE, COWL No. 2 : 82132-60110)

    Hope that helps.
  • rogers12rogers12 Member Posts: 140
    Where did you find your wiring adapter in your truck?
  • likalarlikalar Member Posts: 108
    toyboxx,
       I got that part also; it was in the glovebox. That, however, is the "trailer brake jumper harness" that installs under the dashboard for hooking up trailer rigs with certain braking systems. The owner manual addresses that part, which I'll probably never use.
        ckdexter, thanks for the tip about U-haul center. I'll give that a try.
    Larry
  • toyboxxtoyboxx Member Posts: 150
    In my glove box. :) Still in its sealed package.
  • toyboxxtoyboxx Member Posts: 150
    Sorry, I don't tow and I just assumed.....well you know what happens when you assume something. :)
  • ani1ani1 Member Posts: 2
    i am puzzled as to why the incentives page info is not showing anything re incentives for toyota
    2004 forerunner. i checked on an another site
    carsdirect; they say a factory to dealer incentive
    is currently in place until 12/01/2003 on the 2004 forerunner; my wife and I had placed a buy order for a 2004 forerunner ( her new car) for her after looking at the highlander and honda pilot; the car is supposed to arrive within a week or two. I also checked on kbb and they don't mention it either. so where is carsdirect getting there info from.

    tx
  • stephend2stephend2 Member Posts: 21
    I had trailer brakes installed and used the part in the glove box as the hook up to the brake gizmo which I installed under the dash. This is actually a great convenance to have the brake controller "pre wired" so I can take it with me when I sell my truck. The truck comes with a 7 pin male outlet and adapters are common at any place that sells tow hitches. It your trailer has brakes then likely you will need a 7 pin to 6 pin adapter about 30.00 dollars and if its just a tent/utility trailer the likely you will need a 7 pin to 4 pin adapter about 20.00 dollars.
    It's funny that Toyota makes these trucks for towing but doesn't sell the accessories, i.e. the all important "weight distributation device" which allows you to tow 7200 lbs. by shifting the weight more toward the front.
    The best parts and advice ,I found, come from a good experienced hitch shop which can be found in the yellow pages.
           RE the wheels. Canadain tire sells good mulitfits for 50 to 60 bucks but they are black and need a hub cap. The Toyota OEM part from the dealer are 82 bucks and are styled silver steel which only need a small "push through" Cap in the middle These look so much better. I have a 03 sport in gray with plastic cladding and match well .I am probably the only person who actually likes the grey cladding but we do lots of gravel driving and tow our horses to really remote areas and do a bit of real off roading on old forestry roads in the BC interior and Rocky mountain foothills so the cladding does its job.
    On the rims my dealer said they are backordered for at least a couple of months due to demand and may not even get any this season. I had to pay a premiem for the last 4 available, 86.00 each, and they had some scratches on them. I was told to take it or leave it. They were a lot less than the mag wheels to they are my truck now. Ps. I found them through a tire wholesaler.
    cheers steve
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Manufacturer incentives change often and are hard to keep up with, so we could be wrong, or we may know about changes but they haven't made it to the web page yet.

    Incentives also vary by region, so maybe there's not one in your area.

    Steve, Host
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    SR5 is an old designation. It dates back to the mid-70s. I believe it was a Celica that first got this and the S stood for sport. I forget the R but 5 referred to the 5 speed transmission so as to make it distinct from the 4 speed that was standard. Since then, it morphed into a sport designation for the Celica and Corolla, then into an upgrade version of the trucks and Runners and finally into a simple trim level.

    Rogers... the "Monroney Label" is also called the window sticker or the MSRP sticker. It is the list of factory equipment, options and suggested retail price. It is named after the Oklahoma senator who sponsored the legislation requiring them. The fine for not having one affixed to any vehicle available for sale is $10,000 from the Federal Trade Commission.
  • rogers12rogers12 Member Posts: 140
    Ah ha. Sounds like I could cause some concern at the dealer then... :)
    When you first mentioned it, I thought it was something else.

    What do dealers do when they immediately repossess a vehicle and are able to sell it as new, but don't have the original sticker? Can they print a new one?

    BTW, thanks for the historical background on SR5. I guess the letters and number have no real significance for trucks then...
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    They have to order a new one from Toyota. Its expensive and takes time. We really try to keep them or get them back. If we ever do loose one like you described, we will sometimes print out an invoice which has all the info and tape out the cost figures. We still have to get the original one but it suffices for the short term.
  • likalarlikalar Member Posts: 108
    Rogers writes: <<...What do dealers do when they immediately repossess a vehicle and are able to sell it as new, but don't have the original sticker?>>

    Can a dealer legally sell it as "new" if it's been owned before? "Like new" would be more fitting. I'd sure be upset to find that my new truck was already titled, even if it had only a couple hundred miles.
    Larry
  • grubbs1grubbs1 Member Posts: 69
    This board is a great source of info for everything that has to do with the investigation, purchase and maintenance of a 4runner. That is why I value the opinion of the folks who take their valuable time to post facts and/or opinions. That being said, I would like to ask, once more, who has purchased or had considered purchasing an extended warranty. I am considering the Platinum 7 yr/100,000 warranty from Toyota. The dealership will sell it for $1370. I called a different dealership and they said it would cost me $2000 (granted, I didn't buy the vehicle there, so they were not very aggressive in the pricing)! The obvious question is how long do you plan on keeping the vehicle. I am not asking for anyone to make a decision for me, just input and experiences. Thanks again.
  • terrafirmaterrafirma Member Posts: 212
    Here's my thoughts on it-these are just my opinions and not facts:

    1.Extended warranties are smarter on cars with historically worse than avg reliability.
    The 4 Runner is a solid product and the only real costs would be regular maintence. 7/100 sounds good on paper but realistically I don't think 4 Runners need any serious work until after 100K, just my opinion.

    2. If there was some defect or mechanical problem, I imagine it would happen within the normal factory warranty period.

    3. If you do get a extended, make sure it is a Toyota factory warranty and not a fly by night operation.

    4. There are dealers that sell factory warranties online for much cheaper. I lost the link but someone posted one a long time ago.

    5. If you put that $1370-$2000 into a 10yr savings, bond or that type of thing- you would have enough money to cover any mechanical mishap that came along plus enough for a burger and, heck, supersize it for the mrs.

    good luck!
  • bcmalibu99lsbcmalibu99ls Member Posts: 625
    the dealers and Toyota are making a handsome profit on extended warranties. They wouldn't be selling them otherwise. But the same could be said about any insurance product on the market, whether it's health insurance or home insurance. So, the real question is how long you plan on keeping your car and whether you want to take the risk (however small) that between the expiration of the factory warranty and the expiration of the extended warranty some major mechanical failure(s) would happen which would justify purchasing an extended warranty
  • ani1ani1 Member Posts: 2
    my wife & I are buying a 2004 sr5 4x4 here in northern new jersey;see post # 8417; tx steve for your reply re incentives; we bought the platinum warrantee for 7yrs/75m miles given the mileage we drive.

    the way i see it you're spending your hard earned money buying this car and hopefully you won't need to use the warrantee ; but what your buying is peace of mind.

    you can see on toyota website the suggested prices
    for the warantees; but the dealers are not held to those prices;they can discount or not if they wish. we bot the 7/75 for $1250. the dealer would not go lower.

    terrafirma - fyi - interest rates on us treasuries are currently yielding around 5%;
    5% return over 10 years lets say $2000 is not a lot.

    what is peace of mind worth to you on a car you buy. that is really in my opinion what the warrantee represents.
  • micksdad1micksdad1 Member Posts: 32
    Try toyotawarranty.com for pricing information on extended warranties. Even if you have no intention of getting it from this website, you can use it as a negotiating tool to get a lower price from the dealer. Also keep in mind that you can purchase the extended warranty at any time prior to the manufacturer's warranty expiring. Good luck!
  • likalarlikalar Member Posts: 108
    I agree with the post that suggests the Ext Warr. for cars known for unreliability. I sold a Land Rover Discovery w/EW to a co-worker before the factory warranty expired. He used that warranty to death, and was sure glad he had it. Other private party buyers always seem eager that the car has it, too, so maybe it's a decent resale investment. I notice, however, that when I trade in a vehicle w/EW, the dealer I'm trading to could care less that a transferable warranty goes with the car. He's going to try to sell a new warranty anyway, I think. I didn't buy the EW with this truck. Maybe I'll add one later if I see a pattern of big problems (on these boards)as time goes by.
        Stephend2, thanks for the trailer harness adapter info.
    Larry
        P.S. 2000 miles on my V8 Sport, and I'm getting a consistant 21-22 mph freeway only (in-dash computer readout;optomistic, I know), and 13-15 mpg city only. I live in SF; there's a traffic light or stop sign or crowd every 2 blocks or so, and plenty of hills...I couldn't be happier with these numbers from a fairly heavy truck with a V8- Good job, Toyota!!!
  • jagsdadjagsdad Member Posts: 56
    FYI, my dealer, Southbay Toyota, offered me the extended warranty for $650 when I purchased my 4Runner. I think that is the lowest price I heard of.

    My thoughts on the warranty: it's gambling. You bet up front that something will go wrong during the period for which you purchased coverage. I personally don't think I have enough information to make that bet intelligently, so I pass on it. I presume Toyota knows more about the future costs of repairs than I do, and they would not offer the bet if they were not going to make money from it. I just wouldn't bet against Toyota on their own product.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    This is what I do for a living. Personally, I think they are worth while if you can get it for a decent price. The 7/100 Platinum plan has a retail price of $1425 and the 7/75 is $1150. If you shop around, you can get them for less than that. You don't need to buy it from your selling dealer. E-mail other dealers and see what kind of price quotes you can get.
  • rogers12rogers12 Member Posts: 140
    Not for nothing, I went to another Toyota dealer in Rockville. They have a black V6 Sport with cladding that lists for $31k. Pretty vehicle. So there are still some out there. This one had the original sticker still attached.
  • gutiguti Member Posts: 10
    I have special-ordered a 2004 4Runner V8 Limited, which should be getting here in 2-3 months. With respect to the sulphur smell, it seems to bother different owners very differently, or maybe it occurs in varying degrees depending on the specific vehicle. While most comments I read on this board seem to indicate this is a slight, infrequent annoyance, the comments in other discussion groups are a lot more concerning.

    My only experience with the smell was while test-driven a 2003 model and really flooring it. Soon thereafter, while stopped at a light, I noticed the strong smell, and it went away as soon as I got the car moving again. I test drove the car 4-5 other times, and noticed no smell.

    Would you please let me know whether the smell is something to worry much about? How frequently does it happen? Does it happen only when you rev up the engine to an extreme, only when the car is stopped, etc?

    Bottom line: should I cancel the order or should I look forward to owning a great SUV?

    Thanks a lot in advance.
  • abcabc Member Posts: 9
    The rear cargo area of most (all?) SUVs is just an open space, sometimes covered with a theft deterrent cloth or plastic screen. I normally carry "stuff" like a tool box, fire extinguishers, knapsacks, suitcases, Costco purchases such as cases of canned food, etc.

    If the SUV hits something (car, tree, deer, etc.) then the front, side, and head (curtain) airbags will deploy and save my front, side, and head. But all the heavy stuff in the cargo space will fly forward and maim or kill me, my wife, etc.

    I've seen some commercial dog screens, but they are flimsy.

    Can any of you folks suggest a commercial or home-made protective cage or screen that would reliably protect people from flying "stuff"?

    Thank you.
  • fxfanfxfan Member Posts: 30
    Just moved a 2000 4Runner that I still love to second car status in our family. 2WD V6 with hood scoop & 16 inch wheels (back then it wasn't called a sport edition); 81,000 carefree miles. Also have a 1990 (pre-Tacoma) 4WD Toyo extra cab with 180,000+ miles. Still runs great although did have to just now replace the clutch amd did everything that needed to be done to make it like new and spent about $3,000 which was well worth it because we need 4WD occasionally but don't like the idea of maintenance and cost for a new 4WD. I think the 1990 cost us about 13,000 brand new in Nov 1989.

    Replaced my 4Runner with an Ifiniti FX35 - I must say I love it. Totally different type of SUV from the 4Runner. If you've had a 4Runner and want something else but still an SUV but not off road, you should check them out!

    I say to anyone wanting to buy a 4Runner that if you like the vehicle go for it, I've been extremely happy with both of my Toyota purchases and definitely feel I got my money's worth.

    Just my 2 cents!
  • coranchercorancher Member Posts: 232
    guti, if you want the best perspective currently available on the smell issue, I don't think you can do better than to read all of the thread "Sulfur from 2003 4Runner."

    If general probability is your guide, I think you can look forward to a great experience with the 4Runner. Most folks have no significant problem with the smell, and for their vehicles it is produced only on heavy acceleration after a period of cruising or other lean-mixture operation. The smell doesn't make its way into the cabin to any significant degree unless people drive with the rear hatch window rolled down, and that's a poor idea for other reasons anyway.

    The problem threads generally attract a more-than-proportionate number of folks with the problems, since that's their purpose. Unfortunately that makes these threads qustionable tools for estimating the probability of certain problems.

    There are probably actually two smell problems, excessive production of the smell, and getting it inside the cabin to a significant degree.

    Some vehicles produce the smell a lot, and not only under heavy acceleration. There has been speculation about excessively rich mixtures and problems with engine computers or oxygen sensors or similar stuff, but no real agreement has developed as to the source of the problem, and affected vehicles aren't recognizing the problem themselves, to the degree that they might trigger the "check engine" light or something like that.

    Some vehicles that regularly produce the smell also manage to get it into the cabin to a considerable degree. The thread I mentioned above also discusses and speculates on this issue, and potential remedies.

    It seems that most modern vehicles will produce this smell once in a while, and it can be a very putrid and disagreeable one. One can speculate that the V8 4Runners produce the smell more often than average, though it's hard to be sure. At any rate, some of us suspect that the exhaust tip placement on the 4Runner is unfortunate, and moving it a little could go a long way to correcting the practical impact of the smell problem. Also, driving around with the HVAC system on recirculate may be more likely to get the smell inside the cabin.

    Well that's one opinion for your basket. I have a V6 and have been very happy with it, and would recommend it to others. I drove the V8s as well, but liked the V6 better for reasons that I described (way) earlier in this thread and won't repeat.
  • likalarlikalar Member Posts: 108
    <<.....The problem threads generally attract a more-than-proportionate number of folks with the problems, since that's their purpose. Unfortunately that makes these threads qustionable tools for estimating the probability of certain problems....>>

        Real good post!! You hit the nail on the head, IMO. Makes me wonder what percent of these trucks have the smell. To read the boards, one might think it's common to most trucks; maybe it's really 5-10 percent? Who knows? (Mine smells perfect, FWIW)
    Larry
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Excellent flying projectile question.

    You may want to ask in Toyota 4Runner Accessories too.

    When I've net searched cages in the past, I got lots of hits from Australian manufacturers; guess they go prepared out in the bush down there and take a lot of loose stuff in the back of their rigs.

    Steve, Host
  • rogers12rogers12 Member Posts: 140
    According to at least a few owners, the sulfur smell gets in the passenger compartment under any possible circumstance, including all windows rolled up. If I understand this issue clearly, they claim this is due to a design flaw wherein Toyota placed a vent near the exhaust pipe on some models. This vent reportedly allows exhaust gasses into the passenger compartment and the sulfur smell in the passenger compartment is indicative of this problem.

    If I understand the legalities of this issue, what needs to be proven is: with the windows up and the ventilation on, that exhaust is getting in the truck, smell or no smell owing to a design fault.

    If this is the case, my suggestion to owners is go to a hardware store and buy a battery-powered CO detector and put it in the cargo bay of the truck and maybe also one in the front of the vehicle's passenger compartment. If these frequently sound an alert, then it is possible that this would be sufficient evidence to support a lawsuit against Toyota (or other vehicle manufacturer for that matter) for inadequate engineering to prevent exhaust gasses from entering the passenger compartment.

    If they never sound an alert, then this may give some assurance that there is not a dangerous level of CO in the passenger compartment, smell or no smell.

    Comments please? I would like to hear some feedback on this. I posted something similar in the Sulfur smell topic.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I think some of the unpowered CO detectors are cumulative. That may give you some different (better?) results. I've seen them for sale at RV sites.

    Steve, Host
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Just another comment, fwiw: The nose is extremely sensitive to sulfur and the characteristic odor will be detected even at trace levels.

    tidester, host
  • browngatorbrowngator Member Posts: 1
    I want many features only offered on the 4Runner Limited (dual climate control, leather power seats, etc.) but I also really want a hood scoop which is not listed as an available option on the Limited. Any ideas on how to get a hood scoop on a Limited?
  • grubbs1grubbs1 Member Posts: 69
    Your information was very informative and well thought-out.

    Does anyone know if there is a price difference in purchasing a Platinum plan now or in 2.9 years/35,900 miles? I have read elsewhere that the time to consider the extended warranty is at the end of the existing warranty. This makes sense if there is not a big hit on the price.

    Jagsdad, in what city is Southbay Toyota located?

    Regarding the smell problems, I have had none of any kind. I have an '04 Sport with the v-8.

    This truck is a fantastic ride: comfort, power and looks! However, I have two complaints: interior ergonomics and a lack of a power outlet in the armrest console between the front seats(except for the change holder, it is a large, empty box). Regarding the ergonomics, the arm rest on the door handle is way too low. When you rest your arm on the door, it is much lower than your right arm on the console. I have a habit of resting both arms on the interstate while I drive. The position feels odd. Other Japanese manufacturers have pointed-out that their engineering has thought about these details as evidenced by my '01 Mazda Protege (very comfortable). Just my $0.02.
  • barbed_warbarbed_war Member Posts: 5
    Question for those who may know. I ordered a LTD 04 Runner on October 22, with the understanding that it may take up to 4 months to receive. Does my dealer at sometime during this process, get conformation that the order was accepted. Also do they get "status reports" periodically from Toyota that could be shared with me.

    Thanks in advance
  • jwarthmanjwarthman Member Posts: 20
    Howdy! I've been "lurking" on this board for a long time, and I'm impressed with the quality of the postings! (Well, as long as we avoid the sulphur-bashing. ;-) Anyway, it's clear that many folks who post here have a very good understanding of the 4Runner.

    I'm getting closer to a purchase, and I've been talking with friends about the V6 and V8 4Runner.

    I've been told that, for offroad driving, it's helpful to NOT have a large amount of torque at low RPMs, because of the effect high torque has on spinning the wheels. In other words, with lower torque (other things being equal), the vehicle will be less likely to get stuck in loose sand than with higher torque.

    First, does this make sense you you?

    And second, would this suggest the V6 may be better offroad than the V8 (assuming you're not towing)?

    Thanks!

    Jim
  • terrafirmaterrafirma Member Posts: 212
    jim,
    That makes no sense because for off roading what you want is torque, not HP.
    That is why all the hardcore, jungle safari 4x4's have very little HP but gobs of torque. That is why diesels are so popular for 4x4's, the create torque-not HP.

    That said, with the 4R, you need a happy medium with good torque and HP. Is the V8 or V6 better off road? That is totally debatable.
    Both are good engines.
    The V8 is good for towing-when you have a large load behind you.
    Off roading, both engines produce more than enough torque and HP to make it a non issue, imo. I off road my V6 and never felt lacking at all.
  • bcmalibu99lsbcmalibu99ls Member Posts: 625
    it would get you further off-road than a V8, unless you want to carry gasoline canisters inside your truck
  • rogers12rogers12 Member Posts: 140
    Ok, the V6 gets better mileage (measured in 2WD) in the city and on the highway than the V8. Which gets better mileage in 4WD, on the trail at 5-20 mph? Might be the V8 with more gears to choose from... :)
  • nedzelnedzel Member Posts: 787
    The V6 is not much better than the V8. The 4WD V6 is rated at 17/21. The 4WD V8 is 15/19.

    Not a huge difference. Toyota is planning to increase the number of hybrids in their lineup. In a few years, maybe we'll be able to get a 4Runner with mileage in the mid-twenties.

    It's too bad Toyota won't bring a diesel over. VW is going to bring a V10 Touareg over soon. Highway mileage will be well above 20 for a 5000+ lb truck. Too bad it will have VW reliability...
  • peter78peter78 Member Posts: 284
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