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  • Hey, you forgot me!!

    I was posting here for a long time looking for info. I finally bought my 1997 Sport 2 weeks ago!!!
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Sorry, Sassy! You probably have the worlds record for number of posts in here by a non-jeep-owner!

    How could I have forgotten to mention you? The answer, obviuosly, is senility!

    Hey, Alzheimer's isn't all bad... you get to meet new people every day!


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  • jacorobjacorob Posts: 37
    Actually i live in northwest austin - in the arb area off of jollyville. I have no idea why they'd steal a civic. I'm not the neatest person in the world and my civic was trashed inside. Also, most of the cars around my parking lot are nicer then mine. Hell, some people own porsches (or however you spell them) and have them parked just down the lot from me. Tons of grand cherokees, etc. And yet, they steal a civic.


  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Sorry that I was so long in responding to your post. Welcome to the board!

    Your 4 cyl. vs. 6 cyl. question has come up many times in this group. It is almost unanimous that the 4 cyl is fine for local driving and for offroading. But, it is also most commonly believed that the power is not adequate for highway driving. I go along with that.

    I test drove both an SE and a Sport, and this convinced me that, as much highway driving as I do (27 miles one way to work every day plus business trips occasionally of up to 300 miles one way), I needed the Sport with the 4.0 L I-6 engine.

    You are getting this Jeep as a second family vehicle, so maybe you don't plan on taking trips in it, and, if this is the case, then the 4 cyl may be fine for your purposes.

    Either way, you are definitely on the right track in considering a Jeep! They are a BLAST! I just wish that I had discovered the joy of Jeeps much earlier in my life. I was 51 last December when I got my first ever Wrangler.

    Hope this helps, and please keep us posted on your progress in searching for a Jeep.

    Check out my Jeep and my buying experience at my Thelma Jane's weg page....

    Feel free to email me with any questions. I am NOT an expert on the technical stuff about Jeeps, but I can sure tell you about the fun they are to own!


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  • pizzadudepizzadude Posts: 35
    Hey everyone...

    I just came back from a week long trip to New hampshire and Vermont with my jeep. Took the canoe along as well. I have one thing to say, nobody from New Hampshire or VT would wave to me. What is up with that??? Anyway, the real question here is:

    How many out there with the 4.0 litre engine hear pinging all the time. I tried about 4 different brands of gas and they all ping. Not constantly or very loud, but enough that i notice it at 65-75 mph. in 4th and 5th gear. If anyone has encountered this and fixed it, I would appreciate advice...the engine has only 15k miles.


  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Thelma Jane hasn't had that problem.

    Sounds like the timing is a little too advanced, and that is controlled by the computer now a days, I believe. Take it to your dealer, and have it checked out.


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  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    OT: I'm headed to Maine in a few weeks but not taking the Jeep; renting kayaks and bikes while we're there for some recreation.

    Did you try a different grade of gas (i.e. Plus or Premium)? I used to have to run Plus in the summer (when they put in the enviro-addiditives) to prevent my Supra from pinging. I guess the computer could only adjust the timing so much. Switching from 87 to 89-91 octane did the trick for me. As tsjay mentioned, sounds like a dealer trip (arrrghhhhh) may be needed. HTH

  • dfahy68dfahy68 Posts: 6
    To Jeep or Not to Jeep:

    I would think seriously about what you want to do with your vehicle. First of all, there is NO storage room in a Wrangler, well okay, except for behind the rear seat which amounts to very little. If you want or need storage, go with a Cherokee. Secondly, the hard top is quite warm in the winter, mainly because the heater is so efficient, and it's a small vehicle. If you're considering a 4-Runner, you're already in a different class than the Wrangler. I've had a Wrangler for 2 years, and while it's a fun, year-round vehicle, it isn't the most comfortable ride. I wouldn't recommend a Wrangler as your primary vehicle. It's great on the weekends, but driving it every day wears on you. Good Luck.
  • jeepboy727jeepboy727 Posts: 14
    Ok Jeep people, a little help here. I have come across what I feel is a very good deal but I have a couple of concerns. It is a 2000 sport for 15000 but it doesn't have the 30 tire and wheels. It has 215's on it with 15x7 wheels. I know I can change the wheels and tires but is anyone familiar with whether or not you could have gotten the dana 44 without the 30's. Or if not, what is the difference between the 3.07 rear end and the 3.73 that comes with the 44. Is there that big of a difference between the two. How expensive or difficult is it to change that as well. Any Help as soon as possible would be appreciated.
  • wheelshighwheelshigh Posts: 30
    dfahy68: Hey I have a 79 cj5 and I drive it everyday with 35 inch tires, stiff leaf spring suspension, and manual brakes. You've got a TJ which have a softer coil spring why do you find it so uncomfortable? I would never trade my jeep in for anything and even though mine rides rough I enjoy driving it on the highway.

    Jeepboy: Ok first why would you need the Dana 44? The dana 35 is not as strong granted but are you looking to put larger tires in excess of 33 inches and wheeling it hard? The 35 is plenty strong for most people's needs. The difference between the 3.07 and 3.73 gears is the rpm's on your jeep. 3.07s have a lower rpm and should get better gas mileage than 3.73. 3.73 gears would be better if you are looking to get tires larger than 31s. Changing the rear to a 44 later can be very costy and cause a headache but it can be done. If the jeep your looking at comes with the 44 get it but if it doesn't don't worry about your not going to need the extra strenght of the 44 unless your going to wheel it hard.
  • nkelly1nkelly1 Posts: 105
    I like the inline 6, it has power. I can crawl up some pretty good inclines with it. I does scoot down the highway too, but out of the hole it walks right up hills. I highly recommend the six.
    The family of 4 thing I'm not sure about, it depend how big everyone is. A "family car" it is not. For two people it is perfect, if the "kids" are little it should work well. As they get bigger, I don't think it will be very comfortable for the "back seaters".

    I must, respectfully, disagree with dfahy68. We have found the wrangler to be very comfortable, on logging roads, ruts or the highway. We wouldn't hesitate to take it long distance.

    Putting things on top of it will effect you center of gravity. I am opting for a trailer instead. We can get more "stuff" in one (they do make some that can convert and pull a small boat or canoe) and if I don't want to lug it around (depending where we are) I can always rent, an insured, place to store it for a week or so.

    If you can afford it, I would go with a new one, with duel tops and the I6.
  • texasjeeptexasjeep Posts: 270
    I think Jeeps are reliable. If you drive it hard and beat it on the trails well that could be a problem. Jeeps can have all kinds of problems with leaks or electrical problems or what not. But you should not have any mechanical problems different from other vehicles.
    I wouldn't buy a Jeep over a 4runner because of reliability.
    There is some storage space. It depends on how much and how many passengers you have. The back seat can be removed or folded up.

    That sounds like a good price.
    I am not sure if you can get the Dana44 without 30s. I think in most cases it won't have it.

    This site shows you how to identify the axle.

    The cost to switch out gears is around $700. That would include the new gears and labor to do it. If your foot is light enough the Dana35 can work.

    Thieves have been breaking in to cars left and right here lately. Basically if they see something that might be valuable or contain something of value, they steal it. You may want to keep the car a little cleaner unless it is just thrash.
    If the thieves see any clothes or bags they smash the windows and steal it.
  • pizzadudepizzadude Posts: 35
    Thanks for the feedback, guys. I will be making an appointment for the garage next week I think. I did try higher grade of gas (89 octane) and that took the problem away I beleive. I wasn't satisfied with that because they say you should use 87 because that is what the computer is set up for. We'll see what the dealer says...

    Twylie, have fun in Maine...beautiful country up there. We spent some time on Lake Umbagog...on the Maine, New Hampshire boarder.

    I will be headed to the Finger Lakes in New York this weekend for some fishing derby fun with my father in-law.

    have a good one!

    Keep jeepin'

  • madman390madman390 Posts: 72
    Hey all! Just wanted to say that I am back in the good ole US of A. And the jet lag is killing me, but not as much as having to wait for my Jeep. But I am only a few days away now. It should get here by the 31st.

    I'll keep you posted.

  • madman390madman390 Posts: 72
    Just trying to get the Stars n Stripes above instead of the rising sun...

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    WELCOME HOME!!!!!!!!

    And, once again, thank you for serving our country and for the sacrifices you have made in doing so. Same goes for all of you service men and women out there.

    Now, get that Jeep and have some fun!


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  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    Hey man! Glad you made it back home safe and sound. I can't even imagine jet lag form Japan. I know these last few days of waiting are brutal, but once the hot sun starts beating down on you in the TJ, all will be right.

  • scomoscomo Posts: 39
    Anybody see 2002 pricing & option packags online yet? There is a new "X" trim (watered down Sport), a few new colors & some option rearanging, but I don't know the specifics. And as usual, Jeepers are more informed that the dealers because my dealer knows absolutley "nada" on any 2002 info. Anyone help?
  • madman390madman390 Posts: 72
    If this one shows up with a Japanese flag still, how do I change to the Stars and Stripes? I already changed my profile, and got rid of the "cookies."


    And thanks for the warm welcome. It it really good to be back. I just have to finish this course, and then it's back to real work. But this is really a good break from work.

    Tazz, does all of AL smell like this?

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Looks like you got it madman390; sometimes you have to logout and back on for your changes to show up.

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  • bamatazzbamatazz Posts: 311
    you mean that fresh clean air...
    you must be used to smelling sushi all the time..

    Glad to see you back on American soil mad man..
    Hope you have a great Jeep Experience...

  • dwranglerdwrangler Posts: 127
    Sorry it's been so long since I've posted but I've been busy and a bit tired lately.

    Hey Tom, what happened at the other site tonight? I can't seem to log on :(

    Madman, glad to hear you're back. Now you have alot more opportunities to go wheelin' in that awesome jeep of yours. ;)

    Twylie, nice to see you're here too. Forgot about the chat Thursday night, it's been a really long and stressful week.

    Saharagal, What do you do when you can't play tennis outside....table tennis :)

    tex, how's the jeep handlin' these days?

    Well if I've missed anyone, hope this note finds you well and happily boppin' along in those Jeeps.

    Hug you Jeeps for me today :)

  • dwranglerdwrangler Posts: 127
    What's been up with you? Parents are going down to my brothers in Bonne Terre MO so after running some errands tomorrow I may go to another dealer and drive another jeep. :-)

    There must be a problem at the other site because I can't log in and it doesn't look like anyone else has been there either. Only 20 hits on the counter. Guess g is having problems again.

    Hug your jeep for me today ;)

  • dwranglerdwrangler Posts: 127
    I too am a Jeep owner wannabe. I currently own a 95 Firebird and still owe on it for 2 more years on it but I am constantly trying to find ways to put back money so I can eventually get one. Trust me you are not alone, there are several people besides myself that long for the day that we will become official Jeepsters :)

    As far as new or used I have talked to many Jeep owners on this site and others that have purchased both new and used, all are happy with their decisions. My personal preference would be for a new Jeep Sport with the 6 cylinder engine and soft top with full doors. I plan to get an automatic for the simple reason that I have problems every once and a while with my hip and have in the past had to deal with sprained ankles so the auto would be the best choice for me.

    Good luck with your decision and let us know what you chose, oh and post the photo

  • jacknimblejacknimble Posts: 171
    I too considered buying used, but wanted a TJ with low miles. If you research the resale values, it makes little sense to buy used unless you are lucky enough to come across an unusually good deal. I sold my 97 Sahara for $16,800 after 3 years and 30k miles. I paid about 21k for it, so it lost only about $4k over three years - this has got to be one of the best resale values of any vehicle. Of course, if you dont have to have a TJ, there are some pretty good deals on YJs and CJs out there.

    You should easily be able to get a new Wrangler at dealer invoice. Dont worry about talking to salemen, just research what you want, and then call the fleet manager to see what's available on their lot. If they wont sell at or below invoice, go to the next dealer.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    of the '01 Wrangler Sport:

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  • jacorobjacorob Posts: 37
    hahaha!!! His first "disclaimer" of what wrangler owners (his word "fanatics") would say is quite true. He doesn't get it, but not for the reasons he lists. he left out something that's obvious in his review: that he quite simply doesn't like jeeps. That's fine. Jeeps arn't for everyone. I wouldn't buy a lot of cars out there either. However, it seemed to me that he was trying to justify his personal opinion with a ton of (IMO) crap. Where there arn't facts he blubbers on with his fanatical opinion trying to make it sound intelligent. To me it sounds like a little kid exaggerating to make himself look good and sound like he knows something. He simply "doesn't get" how to write a serious review piece (not that i do either...). But it's his website so he can post whatever crap he wants. :)

    His good stuff/bad stuff is a complete joke. I can think of quite a few more good stuffs (e.g. - the fact that it's a convertible 4x4! DUH!), and would argue about a lot of his "bad stuff" as being simply wrong (e.g - everything's an option is good as he later explains) or too stupid to even list (aero like a brick).

    But for those considering a wrangler...

    I have no problems getting in to the jeep - i can lift my leg up more then 2 inches - in fact it's easier for me to get in my jeep then drop down to the ground to get in to my civic. I can steer and drive through water easily - which apparently he's simply incapable of. I havn't experienced any of the problems he claimed. It isn't even as close to being as loud as he trumps it up to be - cept with the top down which is a no brainer - but he wasn't referring to that. Comfort? Heck, the wrangler is comfortable for me, much more so then my civic. I took a month long, nearly 7000 mile trek across the eastern US and never got tired of driving or experienced discomfort - noise or interior wise. He had a wrangler for a week and never put the top down! I wonder what the longest trip he took in it was? And what's with like 6 paragraphs complaining about how the wrangler doesn't come with a GPS? HELLO!!!! Last time i checked most higher priced SUVs don't come with it either! If ya want one go to the store and buy one. It might be cool if it was an option (though not worth 6 paragraphs). Of course i wouldn't get it for fear of it getting stolen.

    Now I'll be the first to say that the wrangler is IMO an impractical vehicle for a lot of people. There's not much storage space - though i have more then enough since it's just me. It gets abysmal gas mileage. It's pry not a good family car (at least not the sole family car), though i've fit friends in the backseat and they weren't too uncomfortable - they were smiling and loving the top down driving. It doesn't really have ANY kind of security unless you get the hardtop. From reports i've seen it doesn't have a very good repair record - though i havn't had any problems with mine. I'd think any serious review of the wrangler wouldat least mention these two things - maintenance and security. But i guess he was too busy ranting about it not having an option for a GPS or going on about his "safety" review of which the first paragraph was the only one which had any facts behind it.

    *shrug* but everyone has their opinion. I havn't regretted buying my jeep for an instant, and getting in to it still brings a smile to my face. And i love passing by other wranglers, smiling and waving, getting a wave back, and knowing that we both "get it". :)


    PS - sorry for the rant. just kept typing. :)
  • tonkadavetonkadave Posts: 102
    Thanks for that link. I agree with this guy on 3 of the things he said.
    1. A big side impact near the door area could be disastrous.
    2. Gas mileage is around 14 mpg
    3. He just doesn't get it.

    This guy seems to require all the refinements and ride quality that a luxury SUV offers, yet doesn't want to explore the jeep in its rightful place. If the Wrangler had all the appointments this guy would like, then what would you have? Another run of the mill SUV. Lets pretend I am a auto critic. I am going to rate an off road convertible like a Jeep Wrangler. But instead of using the criteria based on a off road vehicle, I use one based on a Lexus RX300 scale. Did he take it off road? NO. Did he take the top off? NO. Its clear why the "CAR PLACE" is not Motor Trend. I know what a Luxury SUV should be. Thats why I am ordering an Acura MDX for my wife. The Jeep does very well in the face of criticism like this. They consistantly sell 80,000 to 90,000 a year for just the same reasons this guy hates it.
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