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  • The saga is so long. Mine started when I was 17. I took my car in to a shop to get worked on and sitting there with a for sale sign was a 79 CJ7. I bought it!! This was an excellent jeep. Unfortunately, when I started college I needed some cash. Jeep left. A couple of years later(after getting a job and not going to college any more) I bought an 84 CJ7. Once again, Excellent Jeep. Traded that for a 87 Wrangler. Got Married. Drove the Jeep away from the wedding all decorated and topless(the Jeep, not us). Now for the first kid. Jeep unpractical. Bye Bye Jeep. Second kid, still unpractical. 10 years pass since I last had the wrangler. Started looking at the new wranglers in June 2001. Practicality be damned. Bought a 99 Sport in December. WOOHOO. Guess this is not really how I got hooked on wranglers but Jeeps in general. What more could you ask for in a vehicle, good looks, 4wd, convertible. Nuff said. Now if it would only snow a little here.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I first started looking at them when I was a college student counselor at a camp in the San Bernardino mountains. I had a 69 Opel Kadet that I loved driving through streams and on dirt roads up there. I also realized that there were limitations to the Opel, so that was when I started to want to own a Jeep. The first one I drove was a US Army jeep and thought they were great fun, but ended up buying things like trucks and vans (other than the LeCar my ex chose). When my current husband decided to quit driving for a living, we sold his Toyota flatbed truck and he told me I could buy anything I wanted. Being horseless now, I chose the vehicle I've wanted for over 25 years - which ended up being my black '98 Wrangler Sport. Ever since I got it I've spent lots of time driving through streams and on dirt roads and being much happier than I was, now that I can easily get away from the urban sprawl. In fact, I wouldn't own the house I love so much if it hadn't been for the Wrangler - I was on the internet looking for 4x4 trails around Frazier Park when I happened upon a site with houses for sale. They were so much cheaper than where I was living, that I just had to take a look! I am so much happier now, and it is all indirectly or directly related to the Wrangler.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I know, there are those who won't understand, and to them I'll say, "It's a Jeep thing..."

    And I'll second the motion for snow. There's none at the moment, but a possibility for this weekend (I hope, I hope).
  • Well I called DC and they said the projected ship date to the dealer for my new 2002 rig is the 29th! Its sounds like things went fast. The factory is in Toledo and the dealer I am buying from is in long should the shipment take I wounder...under a week I suppose.

    Also I have decided to get the 31inch BFG AT KO as soon as I get it as I can sell the stock 30s for 45$ a tire. Has anyone noticed a difference doing this swap? Also TJSAY.....did you get ANY rubbing when you went to the 31 BFG AT?

    Anyway.......kinda excited..........though not at the long drive from Milwakee to Las Vegas!

  • anonymous02anonymous02 Posts: 1,538
    I did that. They gave me an even swap for the spare (1997) in September 2001. Those Goodyears stink, but are worth some bucks. I think you could do better than $45, more like $85 if they are new. Better yet, ask the dealer to swap them before there are ANY miles on them. They can use them as spares from the dealership (with the right coaxing ;-) ).

    They rub at full turn of the steering wheel, especially in reverse. You get used to it. I put in a 3/4" Daystar spring lift, but it didn't really noticeably help with that, but does give a little more height.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I have had no rubbing at all with my 31's. Mine are 31x10.50's. A wider 31 inch tire might rub, but mine haven't. Also depends on the wheel, and I have the canyons like you will be getting. So, if you get the 10.50 width and have the canyon wheels, you shouldn't have a rub either.

    I would guess a week would be pretty close as far as your shipping time.


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  • oceantoadoceantoad Posts: 186
    The current issue of JP magazine has a couple of pages on the Rubicon. About half a page of text and the rest is made up of photos of the vehicle and drawings of the drivedrain. More than I have seen so far without making it to an auto show.

    I don't need one.
  • hypehype Posts: 16
    I have just recently purchased, (after careful consideration over 3 weeks, after my early model Japanese sedan finally died), my first new, "cough-cough", car.....and it is a Jeep! (Wrangler X, 6 cyl. stick, air, tinted softop, bonus sound, etc.-everything but the 30"'s-went w/ the alloy 15" package-will upgrade after 30K). Well, I have had this baby for three months and I am real happy. Looking forward to learning all I don't know about this Wrangler-of which I am sure there is plenty. Anyway, this Jeep wave cracks me up.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Congratulations on the Jeep! Glad you posted.

    How about posting a pic of that baby in the photo gallery?

    What color did you get?


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  • hypehype Posts: 16
    To answer your inquiry, "tsjay," I went with the metalic silver color. I will have to get a picture on the gallery-that will take some time though. To follow up on my earlier posting, I was pretty methodical in buying my new Jeep, that is, I test drove just about everything in my range (20K) and I was bored with them all, then one evening I had an epiphany that sounded like this: "Test drive the Jeeeeeep" and so I did...well, I the rest is history! Yeah, baby!
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Hey, that must be one beautiful Jeep! I came REAL close to getting Silverstone too. I even took a whole extra day to make up my mind before I let the dealer place the order. I stayed with white, which is the color of that Jeep that I fell in love with months before I ordered, but it was a tough choice after seeing a Silverstone Jeep at the dealer where I bought my Jeep.

    Hope it won't be too long before you can post some pics.

    Good luck with that Jeep, and have fun!


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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Looks like no one has responded to your questions about options. I'll give you my two cents worth.

    I got the Dana 44 rear end, but I probably didn't need it, since I will only offroad occasionally and never do any serious stuff. I figured that if it is more rugged, then it will just last longer, and, heck, if I ever really do get into serious offroading, I will have the right rear end for it.

    I did not get the trac loc limited slip, but I wish I had. I didn't realize the value of it when I placed my order. Since then, I have heard many people say that it is a good option for snow. We don't get much snow here in western Ky, unfortunately, but when we do, it would be nice to have trac loc. For offroading, they say there is some after market stuff that is better than the factory trac loc, but for use on snowy roads, sounds like trac loc is good.

    As far as ABS, I didn't want it. I have heard that if you go to bigger tires sometime, that the ABS doesn't work properly. Don't know if that's true, but it's just something that I didn't really want anyway.

    The options that would be best for you depend on how you will be using the Jeep.

    Hope this helps. Remember, when someone tells you that you just gotta have this or that, they are speaking from their own perspective. A serious offroader might tell you that you really need this or that, but they are assuming that you would use your Jeep the same way that they use theirs. I don't offroad (yet), so when I tell you what I think is best, I am speaking only from my own experience as a guy who stays on the pavement most of the time.

    Hope you get your order placed soon!


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  • yellowmanyellowman Posts: 209
    Hey all

    Well, I did my first-ever self oil change last night with the help of a friend and wanted to note a couple things:

    1. I found the oil filter at kind of a tough position to get at. I was expecting it to be popping up somewhere at the top of the engine but instead it was down about 3/4 of the way down on the left side. We tried fitting an oil filter wrench around it but there really wasn't enough surrounding room to fit one in. We finally just untwisted it by hand. It really wasn't on too tight at all. Getting it descended once it was removed was a bit of a task, too - I had to carefully maneuver it between pipes, hoses and wires to get it out. After a couple blockages, I found that the correct route was to move it to the right, sort of toward the passenger side of the car, then up a little, and then down and out.

    2. Man, pouring that oil can be tricky!!! We didn't have a funnel (going to go buy one PRONTO) and the engine fill is such that I had to pour a distance of about 7-8 inches from the mouth of the bottle to the mouth of the oil fill hole, which resulted in small but significant spilling :-( Just tried to mop it up with a rag best I could.

    Otherwise all went pretty smoothly - I got ahold of an official L.A. County oil disposal bucket - the lid of which comes off to form a nice oil pan, then you pour the used oil through a plastic strainer 1/4 down the inside of the bucket and fill it up. Then wipe the excess and put the pan/lid back on! It even has a phone number printed on the side where you can find out where the nearest disposal facility is. Not bad huh?

    I went with a Fram oil filter this time (STP last time) mainly because it was the cheapest that Pep Boys had at $3.50. I of course stuck with Mobil 1 for the oill as I will be for the life of the Jeep (thanks to you guys!!).

    Overall it was fun to do, I learned a lot, and I think it will go more smoothly next time. Thanks again for all the advice!

  • roger350roger350 Posts: 157
    FYI, Fram filters are considered to be some of the worst oil filters you can get. I'm sorry I don't have a link, but there was someone who was doing a comparison of all filters, pretty scientifically, and Fram was as bad as everyone always says. I bring this up, not to bash Fram, or those that use them, but simply to point out that they are not widely recomended. Obviously if you are using Mobil 1, you want to care for your Jeep in the best way possible, skimping on the filter is not a wise thing. Try AC Delco, as a cheap filter that is rated very highly, or Duetsch (SP?) who makes the AC Delco I believe, (Autozone carries them, grey box). Don't let this make you think you need to go change the oil again right now, but I wouldn't leave that Fram filter in for more than 3000 miles. (I don't leave any filter in more than 3000 miles.) Just my $.02.
  • cfrugecfruge Posts: 5
    As far as options go I got the following:
    Sport model(wanted the inline 6), Air Conditioning, Cruise Control, Floor Mats, Steps...

    Canyon Wheel group with Dana 44 - This is worth it if you want the over engineering of the Dana 44, 3.73 rear ratio, extra duty shocks and like the 15" wheels/30" tires that come from the factory. I wanted to keep my vehicle pretty stock but give it some rugged characteristics. You have to give up anti lock brakes. Best option I chose.

    CD Player with sub in center console - This system sounds good for a dealer installed stereo. I am not one to want a sub, but this one just fills in the background and is not overpowering. You have to give up having a cooler in the center console :(

    Dual Tops - I posted this opinion earlier. Basically, I do use both tops in order to get a change. I bought both tops because I remember the older Jeeps as being very noisy. However, the wind noise with the new soft top is very tolerable if you have the full doors. You can still speak on a cell phone at 60 mph which would not of been possible with an older soft top. In fact there is not much difference in wind noise between the two tops anymore. My advise after using both tops for a few months is to get the soft top with full metal doors.

    Trac Lock - I wish I had gotten trac loc. I bought last August and was very particular in my options and color and could not find a red one with the above options and trac lock. I wanted a 2001 because at the time the 4.9% could not be beat. I do not do enough off roading to get a 3rd party locker. (Basically if you want to have all 4 wheels giving power at all times you need 2 lockers (one in front and one in back)). I am an occasional off roader who is more likely to be driving on the beach than climbing boulders. For me one locker on the back should be good enough. The trac lock is good for people like me because it sounds like it is reliable (will only kick in when needed). From my understanding a lot of the 3rd party lockers lock up when they should not(on dry pavement). In fact I may look into the mechanics and see if I can add trac lock now.

    The invoice on mine at the time was 22700 and I found an Internet sales person at the Lancaster, TX dealer who gave it to me for 22400. If I had been smarter and only gotten the soft top it would have been 21000, but I still got a good deal. I could sell the hard top but I have spent $100 building a rope system to hang it in the garage (I will post a picture).
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Here's a post linking the Fram study:

    edwardh1 "Oil Filter Brands and Types" Nov 22, 2000 2:25pm

    Wouldn't hurt to read this post (and the one following either):

    hasel "Oil Filter Brands and Types" Mar 30, 2001 8:03am

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  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    I'm probably the only one on the board who has both the trak-lok limited slip and ABS, and I am glad I ordered both options. They are both useful in the snow and heavy rain especially, though I'm not getting much of that now that I've moved to San Diego (as compared to Oregon). I don't think the Dana 44 is really that valuable unless you plan on getting 33" tires or up; IE you plan on lifting your Jeep.

    If the new soft tops are as quiet as everyone says, then I'd skip the dual tops and just get the full doors. I have both tops, but the hard top has been banished to the garage since I moved.
  • goducks1:

    I also ordered the Trac-Loc with the ABS. Although the ABS had a problem early on (faulty speed sensor--repaired under warranty), it has been a good thing to have, especially here in the Colorado snows.

    I debated ordering the ABS or Canyon Wheel Package, and ultimately, the safety issue won out. And the insurance discount isn't too bad either. I do plan on lifting my Jeep eventually, but will not go bigger than 33s, as I am limited by the axles. I don't plan to do much "hardcore" off-roading, and my Jeep is also my daily driver.

    The bottom line is you have to consider what you will be doing with your Jeep, and also what look you like. Personally, I like the look of a lifted Jeep with good size tires, even if I didn't ever go off-roading.

    Just my 2 cents worth...


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  • fly6869fly6869 Posts: 17
    I need to know the pricing on the new Rubicon. I have a 91 Wrangler that is almost ready for sale. I was going to buy a salvage title TJ and build it the way I wanted. But now I may just wait on the Rubicon. Anyone know of any wrecked TJ's for sale. My brother in law just finished rebuilding a 98 TJ and it looks great. Thanks for any info.

    Jeep addicted..
  • anonymous02anonymous02 Posts: 1,538

    But, I plan to add a no slip locker soon, and hi lift jack, and eventually a lift.

    These might help.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,711
    I've heard that the old YJ Wranglers (1987-95) have a notorious reputation for rusting out, especially in the frame. Is this claim true? I do know of people who bought Wranglers new in the late 80s/early 90s, only to have them rust out within eight or nine years. It was pretty sad to watch that happen.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    A question for those who have 30" wheels. Back in '98, after I had signed the papers etc. for my Wrangler, the dealer handed me a piece of paper that said you couldn't use chains on the 30" wheels. Owner manual said that there were clearance problems.

    Last night's trip home convinced me that I should look into other options. Are there any traction devices other than chains (such as spiders or ???) that you can use with the 30" wheels? We spent several hours sitting with hundreds of other cars stopped on the freeway, then getting to the Gorman exit only to find the CHP had the back road closed also, and since CalTrans had concentrated on sanding the interstate, the road into Frazier Park and points beyond had not been touched, so it was like an ice skating rink, when we finally got to it, I think maybe I should check into such things. We did get home safely, but there were a few moments when we didn't have much traction to get up the hills. This isn't common - in fact, this is the first time in 3 years it has been so icy, so I don't really want to start changing tire sizes just for using chains once every couple of years.

    Anyone got any ideas?
  • anonymous02anonymous02 Posts: 1,538
    I was wondering whether or not it was OK to use chains if you have a lift kit.

    I tend to be real careful when it comes to snapping off brake lines is involved.

    What about studded snow tires? Just get some mounted up on a set of $29 rims. Maybe some of the Denman Coyotes, so you still get the height? Or, since you will only use them occasionally, just get some cheapie mud terrain type patterned tires and have them studded and swap on when needed.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I looked under the jeep for what causes the "clearance" problem and don't think a lift would make much difference - there just isn't much room between the tires and the brake line. It doesn't seem like I can predict when I'll get stuck (it didn't seem that bad the day before and it was clear and sunny all day yesterday at work, 75 miles away). I've thought about snow tires or studded tires but would put them on in Dec and leave them on until after Easter. I don't really want to do that, since most of my driving is freeway, and could be as hot as 80 degrees, and I'm not sure its worth the one day a year or so to listen to the sounds of studs or worry about the associated wear/heat buildup problems with real snow tires for the rest of the winter.
  • anonymous02anonymous02 Posts: 1,538
    sounds like for the one or two days you talk about, you might be able to call in sick, or stay home and work a Saturday or something...

  • anonymous02anonymous02 Posts: 1,538
    Where did everybody's JEEP rate???
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Mine rates $539.29 per month! At least that's what the bank says I have to pay them. :)


    Have you hugged your Jeep today? :)
  • anonymous02anonymous02 Posts: 1,538
    ...guess yours didn't rate too high, then.


  • I agree with iruleyou....that rating system is kinda lame. I guess I should add a CB radio and a couple other things to make mine rate over 200! I really would like a CB someday in my Jeep, but not for the silly rating system.

    (mine rated 192)
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