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Bill
I don't want to put the YJs down, cause I would take a YJ in a hearbeat, if I couldn't get a TJ for some reason.
YJ's just need some mods to be as capable as a stock TJ, but they can be fixed up to be great trail rigs.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
The six is bulletproof. It's also running in lots of Cherokees. I've heard people complaining the thing lasts too long, keeps them from buying a new car.
Good luck finding just the right one.
OregonTJ03
Saw a Rubicon too! It sure looks very distinctive with those monster tires
or even Ebay. Just do a web search should be no prob.
Tom, Good job on the web site. That Ross is one lucky pooch.
Keep Jeepin.
Bama
All I know is that he is the smartest, sweetest-natured, lovingest, most laid-back dog I have ever seen. He has never been a minute's problem his entire life.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I have to go to work and don't have time this AM for much of a detailed reply right now, but I will leave you with this advice until I can write a longer reply.... read lots of posts in here. You will get lots of info by reading the posts in this message board. I know there are over 9000 of them, but read as many as you can.
Will have more for ya tonight.
Others, I'm sure, will have some stuff for ya too.
Check out my web page, if you want to... might be of some use to ya in your Jeep shopping.
http://home.earthlink.net/~tsjay49/thelma.html
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
If you are looking for value, then check out the X. I don't know if it comes with dual tops or not, but you can always get one with the hard top and add a soft top later.
I like the Sport because of some of the extras that come on it. That's what I have ('98) and that's what I'd replace it with, if I had to replace it today.
I haven't liked the Sahara because I didn't like the fabric on the seats. They changed it recently (this year? I'm not sure, the one I saw in January at the LA Auto Show had different fabric) and it isn't as bad, but I still prefer the material on the Sport. I'm not interested in the other things that separate the Sahara from the Sport, so I wouldn't get one.
One last thing - the Wrangler is a doesn't handle high speeds very well at all. The 4.0L engine is capable of going much faster than I am comfortable driving this particular vehicle. And I'm a person who had a mustang in Germany at one time (my younger and wilder days) where there are no speed limits, so I know how to drive fast.
Steve, Host
Wrangler rear brakes do very little of the work in stopping the vehicle, so the advantage of rear discs is pretty much limited to their ability to keep clean, and to be cleaned, after deep mud. Nice to have, but not essential on the street.
ABS on the other hand, especially considering the short wheelbase of the vehicle, is a major benefit.
Getting dual tops is the best value option. This will also include full doors.
Gas mileage improvement? Lots of snake oil out there disguised as throttle bodies, air filters, cold air inlets etc. If there was any cheap any easy way to improve fuel consumption I really think DC would already be doing it! (C.A.F.E. regs etc.)
Plenty of aftermarket accessory suppliers out there, just do a little searching. Most Mopar accessories are aftermarket items re-badged.
I think you'd do well to visit a dealer, compare the Sahara and Sport, and take a couple of test drives. The standard 4.0 can be pretty sprightly and is more than capable of keeping up with other traffic. Top end is just over 100mph....... try it before you modify it to go even faster.
Does anybody have any suggestions for a good soundbar? This one seems nice and will do the job, but I don't want it falling off or coming loose or anything like that.
-Paul
Here's a link to some pics over in the Photo Gallery.
barresa62 "Jeep Owners: Photo Gallery" May 25, 2003 3:30pm
barresa62 "Jeep Owners: Photo Gallery" May 31, 2003 12:54pm
Seattle's weather is very similar to MN's except we substitute the rain for the snow in the winter(usually). Today it's going to be a high of 93F...woohoo...
Stephen
I agree that black sure looks good when it is clean, and not bad when it is dirty (like mine is most of the time). However, I won't get another one - it's too hot in the summer!
http://www.tourismbc.com
If you have but a day or two, the most popular tourist destinations are:
1. Capillano Suspension Bridge (North shore), 15 minutes from downtown
2. Grouse Mountain (North shore), 5 minute drive from the suspension bridge
3. Harbor Center Observation Deck (in downtown, looks like a UFO on top of the building, very nice 360 degrees views of the city and the harbor/mountains)
And if you have some cash to spare, take a Harbor Air seaplane ride to Vancouver Island - takes about 40 minutes and $65 (Canadian) one way - amazing views there.
As Tom always says, try to get one with a Dana-44 rear axle - they are stronger in the long run. I didn't get one, wish I had. Will have to upgrade it sometime down the road.
You mentioned Vancouver, I live in Vancouver, Washington, but I'm sure you're talking about BC
Hot today, 97F right now, got 2 more hours until the hottest part of the day. To think it's only 60F at the coast, 70 miles away....
-Pete
I may have to make a trip down to Vancouver, WA this summer. I'm really itchin' to go off-road but would rather do it w/others the first time.
Mtngal: Yeah, the weather is indeed strange right now. My sis lives just north of Indy and they had a high of about 70F. Normally they are getting our current temps this time of year.
Sizzlin in Seattle,
Stephen
The X model does not give you the option of a Dana 44: you can only get the much weaker Dana 35.
For the 01s, they had an option package called AAS, and this got you the really nice looking Canyon wheels, thirty inch tires, and a Dana 44 rear axle for $850. What a bargain! Don't know if the new ones have that option package or not, but, if they do, you ought to jump all over it.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
My .02 worth. For 03 I would go for Sport as well. Has all the options u need. Plus if you are planning on ordering u can add what u want.
I would go for the dual top option, thats what I did. Make sure u have somewhere to store yout hard top when u take it off.
I dont so any Off roading ( it might get DIRTY, thats not gonna happen) so.
Plus I dont think turbo charging a jeep would be a good idea ( the jeep version of "Fast & Furious")
Go out test drive a few see what you like. Im not sure what rebates are being offerd now. Check around, most here paid right at invoice.
ERIK-- 6X9 in sound bar. I belive any car stereo shop could customize the soundbar to fit.
also, I belive there is a Super sound bar replaces the current soundbar. Do some searches u might can find it.
Keep Posting
BAMA
http://www.geocities.com/bamatazz2001/jeep.html
-Paul
-Paul
I only got rid of them because I was ruining them on the trails. I think they are about as nice looking as any wheel I have ever seen, but I could see that I would ruin mine out on the trails, and I wanted to sell them while they still looked good.
You definitely want the factory service manual rather than a Chilton or a Haynes. NO COMPARISON! The FSM is written specifically for your vehicle and goes into far greater detail than some generic manual. They have great diagrams and step by step instuctions for every job you could possibly imagine as far as repair on your vehicle. The service techs at the service departments at dealerships refer to these things, for Pete's sake. They are as good as it gets.
Http://www.techauthority.com
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Hey, if the seal really needs replacing, then the dealer is the place to have it done, since the Jeep is under warranty. I just thought it would be smart to get an independent to confirm the need.
Good luck.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Stephen
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
just my .02
Jarhead6153...
And, thanks for being a "jarhead."
All of you military folks deserve the gratitude and respect of your countrymen. You guys do a super job!
Hope you will post more often in here. I see that you had a post or two way back when I was suffering from "Wrangler Fever" and had not yet ordered Thelma Jane.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I ordered a Sport back in May. I priced out all of the models and if you plan to get most of the options, then I believe the Sport is the way to go. You can't get 4 way disc AND ABS - it is one or the other (or neither). If you get discs then you have to get the heavy duty rear (which is probably a good thing anyway.) I opted for the discs, as I have heard that the Wrangler ABS is problemsome.
Now I'm doing the waiting game. I got a VON and just hoping to get that call one of these days. It kills me to see you folks driving around without your tops...
Good luck on your purchase.
surfer454
PS - I thought there was a way to track your jeep once you had a VON? No luck on my part finding out how to do this.
800-992-1997
Knock yourself out!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
1) I ordered my sport on 5/13 but the order didn't go in until 5/26
2) My Jeep was mysteriously cancelled - ZA code. Customer care referred me to the dealer. The dealer claims to not know why.
3) I was never notified that the Jeep was cancelled. When was someone going to tell me.
4) Neither the salesman nor the sales mgr knew what code ZA meant.
I can't believe the treatment and it frustrates me to no end. It was bad enough dealing with a salesman who knew nothing more about wranglers than my mother - now this.
I certainly do not feel like I got 5 star dealer treatment. What's the deal? I can't stand incompetence.
I have a feeling that the delay in putting my order in pushed me out of out the '03 timeframe, although I can't confirm. Interesting enough when I called the delaer last week for the VON I asked if the vehicle was going to by an '03 or '04 and he was adament that it was an '03. Probably just a lie.
I guess I'll be in the market for a used wrangler
Sorry to hear about your bad experience.
Gary
If I were you, I would definitely take this up the chain at DC and make them somehow make this up to you.
The dealer was playing some kind of game with you, if your order didn't actually get placed until almost two weeks after you made the deal. He may have reached some allocation limit and had to wait til the next period to order your Jeep. Naturally, they wouldn't tell you about it, for fear that you would not go ahead with the deal.
Words just cannot express how bad I feel. But, Jeeps are worth every bit of the struggle they might be to obtain, so do not give up!
Hey, things really do tend to work out for the best, so take advantage of this time to re-think what you want for options and color, etc., and consider it a chance to change your mind. If you are still happy with your original choices, fine, but if not, this is your chance to change something.
I would INSIST that they make the very same deal, rebate and all, on an 04, if it is too late to order an 03 now.
Let us know if we can help in any way. Don't know what it would be, but maybe an email campaign to DC or something along those lines would help.
Bill, we are your friends here, and we all share in your disappointment, so please keep us posted as you continue your quest for a Jeep. Heck, if you will read some old posts in here, you will see that I get about as excited over someone getting a new Jeep as I did about getting my own Jeep.
I remember Tonkadave found out that his order had not been turned in by his original dealer. I had already been through my buying experience by the time he ordered his Jeep, and when he couldn't get the VON from his dealer, I told him something was not right. My dealer told me that the VON is assigned the moment the order is placed with the factory. It's actually part of the order entry process to assign a VON. When Dave pressed them on the issue, they finally told him that they had to wait due to an allocation limit. He cancelled his order with that dealer and went to another one!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
My salesman actually knew a lot about Wranglers, which is VERY unusual, unfortunately. Many dealers just don't sell Wranglers very often, so the salesmen know almost nothing about them.
I actually made the deal for Thelma Jane over the phone! My dealer was so good that I was offered $200 over invoice to start with for a no trade-in deal. When I told them that I might end up trading in my Grand Prix, if I couldn't sell it on my own before the Jeep came in, they made me a tremendous offer on trade in allowance over the phone. It was such a good offer that I didn't try too hard to sell the car on my own.
Stacy Chrysler in Owensboro, Ky, I appreciate you!
Let Bill's experience serve as a warning to all who place factory orders... GET THE VON IMMEDIATELY! If the dealer cannot give you a VON, then he HAS NOT placed your order!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I'm really starting to wonder how much DC stands behind their products.
Of course my saleman is unreachable again today...
Maybe I'll just buy a used Sport and not have to bother with a dealership. What a huge disappointment, especially to my kids.
Steve, Host
Regardless of what you were told by Customer Care, I KNOW DC would be interested in knowing about this and would do something for you. They can't allow this sort of thing to happen.
Man, I am still just blown away by this. So sorry, Bill.
Steve, in a case like this, it's OK to use profanity in here, ain't it???
Well, I'm going to!
**!#$%^&*(*&^%$#*!!!!
Tom
Have you strangled your Jeep dealer today?
Steve, Host
BTW, for all of you perspective Jeep buyers, my miserable experience was compliments of Freehold Jeep in Freehold NJ. Interesting enough, their slogan is "We deliver!"
Finding someone in DC who cares seems to be difficult. I asked CC for a phone number. They were no help since the dealerships are individually owned. The only thing she offered to do is log a complaint. I'll do that once I get my deposit back. Luckily I left it on a credit card.
Still PO'd in NJ!
Bill
Hard to believe that since all the dealerships are BEGGING people to buy cars thet would go "above & beyond" to help anyone.
I'm sure they has got to be a solution to your problem.
maybe if u call another jeep dealer they could help ya.
Keep us posted..
Bama