Hang in there man. You can do it. Like Gal said, you've hit the psych stage now. Those physical urges are tough but mental is even worse. You'll get through it.
Tom: Wow, that's quite the vid!! Definitely seems beyond what I'd be comfortable with for the foreseeable future... but that was pretty cool! Surprising that you didn't suffer any damage.
You don't know how much your support really means to me. I makes a difference, I promise you.
I know I would be letting you guys down if I fall off the wagon. (Yeah, yeah, it would be letting ME down, but somehow it is easier to use you guys for incentive.)
I don't know exactly how I went from a "bug gut wiper offer" to a guy who puts his Jeep through the stuff I do now.
Thelma Jane has scratches everywhere, kinked flares and front fenders from hitting trees in tight places, deformed flares from tire rub, dented and scratched tub corners, flares scrubbed on rock walls in gullies, etc. I am NOT one bit sorry that I got that damage. I had a BLAST accumulating all of it.
Those gullies are pretty safe. If I did lay her over on her side, she wouldn't go far before hitting the wall of the gully.
New rubi is now 3 weeks old. Gas milage is 13 mpg, but have only 500 miles so far. I've had cjs or wranglers in my garage since 1986 and they just keep getting better as far a quality. For those of you that have the 2 top option or the hardtop, is it still hard to get a tight seal when reinstalling the hardtop so we don't get the wind noise??
After six years of removing the hard top and putting it back on, the seal on mine is still so tight that it's easier to close a door by opening a crack in the window so that the air has some place to escape. I don't ever recall anyone here complaining about the hard top seal. Disconnecting the stupid plug/hose in the back, on the other hand, is a common complaint.
Just took delivery last Friday of a Black Wrangler 'X' Columbia Edition soft top with full doors. It has replaced a 10 year old Cherokee Sport 4x4 that has over 150,000 solid miles. It's still in the family (brother-in-law has it now), so I'm sure it will stay solid for a while to come.
I was able to get the full employee discount from a friend, 0% + $2000, another $500 for being a veteran, and a down payment. All in all, I got a fantastic deal too good to pass up even if I wasn't looking for new vehicle.
Sounds like you got a nice new Wrangler. What other options did you get in the new Jeep? It's always to here that the old Cherokee is still in the family I wish that we wouldn't have had to get rid of ours.
Hey Tony It's an '04 with auto, air, cruise, cd, seven speaker sound sytem, leather wrapped steering wheel, painted "ecco" wheels with color matching fender flares, fog lights, "Columbia" logo seats, full doors and tinted soft top windows.
I would have liked the manual trans (like my Cherokee), but my lovely wife wanted an auto in case she needs to use the Jeep. I've always wanted a Wrangler, but being single at the time of my Cherokee purchase, it was a little impracticle. My wife drives a new SUV, so the timing of the Jeep deal was perfect. We rented a Wrangler Sport while we were in Maui last December and it convinced her that a Jeep Wrangler was for us as a second car. My only request was to have the 4.0 I-6, so the Columbia Edition gave me more options for not much more money.
Fred, my wife and I rented an X in Maui back in October last year. Fun car, but putting the top up and down several times a day for the rain got to be old. I'd just get a bikini top next time.
Tom - Finally got to watch your video - awesome! Don't think I'd want to try that in a stock vehicle at all!
As far as the manual vs. auto - it really is a personal choice, so don't be unhappy that you got the automatic. I have a manual and have been very happy with it, but if I spent more time driving in sand, I might not think so.
The only thing I really wonder about is all the gals who won't drive a manual (a pet peeve of mine). I've always been very happy that I learned how to drive one and really enjoy it. We had a number of automatics, until I test drove a Wrangler and re-discovered the fun of a manual. Now both our vehicles are manuals (though I think my other half would prefer an auto on one of them). I think that every person should learn how to drive a manual (and then decide which they prefer).
I feel the same way you do, everyone should at least know how to drive a manual. Out of 10 drivers in my immediate family (including significant others) me and my father are the only 2 that can drive a manual. When I came home with one I had one other person ask me when I was going to teach them, the rest of them wont get near it. I'd hate to say it but they are all females. I know a couple of girls that drive manuals but most wont touch them. Any more girls out there? Chime in and let us know.
I'm glad I got the manual though, I know no-one else is going to drive it off I also like being "involved" while driving. Though it is alot harder for a girl to fall asleep on my shoulder It's happened but hard to shift.
Fred: as for impracticallity, that's the Wranglers middle name. You get used to it. Got told on Saturday, "It's not a big boy car, it's a really expensive toy". You know it's the best damn toy I've ever bought
My wife (whose idea it was to get the Wrangler) had always driven manual tranny vehicles until her most recent daily driver. Given her long commute in ATL traffic, the auto is nice for her during the week. However, she loves to grab the Jeep for running errands when the weather is nice.
My wife had an RX-7 years ago and learned on a manual. I let my daughter take her driving test with our auto Jeep Grand Cherokee, but her TJ is a manual, and we didn't give her a choice of auto/manual. If she wanted to drive it, she had to learn the shifting process.
I've had manuels in all my jeeps since 1986 and now for the first time got a 04 Rubicon with the automatic. I agree with previous writer, automatic was my right choice. Second tank of gas now up to 14.9 mostly city driving.
Well it's good to see there are women out there that like to drive a manual. Personally I wouldn't mind knowing more that do.
Tyoshu: as far as lifts go, anything you replace (ie. shocks, springs, lower control arms, etc.) will not be under warranty any more. After that it seems to be a dealer based judgment as to what else they will cover after a lift. Some dealers wont warranty any part of the drive train with a minor 2" lift, while others will warranty the whole thing with a major lift of 4-5". No matter what though the replaced parts aren't covered.
My dealer installs SkyJacker lifts and I know if I go with something like the OME 2" I'll be safe and not have any problems with them. You should go and talk to your service manager and see what they say.
I am still wanting a TJ of my own that I can fix up. I want to be able to do the kinds of wheeling Tom does (I'll be getting that first hand look this weekend), but I'm VERY hesitant to do that with a new TJ.
If I could find a low mileage 2001+ TJ, I'd drive it stock (or with slightly larger tires) until the warranty was up, THEN start the mods.
I guess it's easier to 'accept' the damage inherent with wheeling on a used car.
As for the RX-7's... they were a sweet car. I still see a few in cherry condition, but not many. -Paul
Fred: Hey, welcome aboard - sounds like a sweet ride. What's this about being single and not having a Wrangler because it's impractical?!?! That's precisely one of the reasons that helped me decide to get it. Get to stand out in a vehicle that's an absolute blast... who knows, maybe it'll help cure that whole "single" thing! ;-)
Manual/Auto: Definite fan of the manual tranny. Like Tony said, it helps me be more aware (and involved) while driving... Not that there is anything wrong with having an auto. :-)
Question for the panel: I was going to drain and replace the coolant in my radiator. Do I need to use the same coolant? It seems that some coolant manufactures recommend using the same "color" or "brand" of coolant so as to prevent corrosion to seals? Is this true? Thanks.
As long as you thoroughly flush the whole system (radiator/block/heater) there should be no problem. Just never mix two types, and make sure to dilute the concentrated antifreeze with distilled water.
However, it's always good practice to flush the entire system anyway to remove any sludge and deposits. There's a drain plug in the side of the block (which takes an odd sized wrench) to allow you to do the job properly.
Is there any reason you want to change the type of coolant? The 'old' green type works very well, and I don't see being able to go with a five year service interval with the orange type to be any real advantage.
Of course, if you have the orange in there now you may be wanting to change to green.
I replaced my coolant (along with my leaky radiator). I replaced it with a CSF radiator and went with the Prestone long-life fluid. I will still probably change it on a regular basis (non-long-life). The longer life fluid seems to resist the buildups better, IMO.
Like Mac said, you really want to use distilled water so you don't introduce more minerals into the system. Those minerals found in tap water do bad things when the water gets real hot!
Thanks Mac and Erick! Much appreciated. I have the original Mopar orange in there now-it seems what I find on the shelves in green. Also, I did not realize there was a drain plug on the block? I was going to flush it a few times by letting engine idle w/ temp set to wamest setting to open up thermostat-do you think that is effective enough? Thanks.
What you propose won't do much to remove anything that's settled or stuck. Also, there's no connection between the thermostat and the heater control.
The thermostat opens as the temperature in the block/head rises.
Coolant from the cylinder head circulates through the heater core via a bypass around the thermostat. That's why the heater warms up so quickly.
The heater core is always hot. The temperature control knob operates an electrically controlled door (the blend door) in the HVAC housing, which diverts air through the core. As you can see, this will have no effect on the thermostat.
You can buy an attachment for a couple of bucks to flush the cooling system with a garden hose.
Got my first 1000 miles on my lil black beast. Seen alot of posts since started jeepin it. Was wondering what the rules are for driving offroad on power line roads and access sites? Any ideas from the board? I do plan some trips to Paragon and also to Rausch Creek. Not to worried about any mods at this time now. Seen some reports of hey the truck can do more stock than the newbie driver can. Never tought of myself as a newbie because been driving for so long and is a biker as well. But here is the newbie driving having fun in my toy and waving to all others I see. Any rules to this as well? Do ya wave at all of the other wrangler drivers? or just the cute ladies driving? sorry guys... lol ok well enough for now on this. have fun and see you later....
There is a LOT to be said for just wheelin' that Jeep stock for a while.
For one thing, you can develop your off road driving skills better with a stock Jeep. There is less forgiveness with a stock Jeep when you miss the perfect line than there would be with a highly modded Jeep, so it MAKES you learn to pick the line you need. Also, a more capable Jeep can get you into deeper doo doo that you are not prepared for as a driver. (Hey, so can a stock Jeep, but less so than for a modded one.)
Also, staying stock for a while gives you a chance to see what the more experienced Jeepers you run the trails with have for mods, and it gives you the chance to see how those mods are performing.
As for the Jeep Wave, man, I wish ALL TJ, YJ, and CJ owners would wave. I try to never miss an opportunity to wave at a Jeep.
I have no idea where Paragon is, so I couldn't help you with your local rules.
In an area I travel through frequently, I've used power line roads quite often - like when I'm avoiding the backup at 4 Corners (or Kramer Corners or whatever they are calling the intersection of Hwys 395 and 58). I noticed it marked on a SoCal Auto Club map once and have driven it several times (on holiday weekends it can take 2 hours to go 7 miles sometimes).
One time I looked at, but did not take ('cause we were driving the Taco) another power line road that would avoid Halloran Summit (there was an accident that had I-15 shut down for several hours). These roads travel though (more or less) uninhabited, federally owned land, so your local area could be different.
I would agree with Mtngal, check out the books on what the state says. I'm guessing it's OK but wouldn't want to get you in any trouble.
As far as where Paragon is, it's in PA. One of a few of roading locations in PA. Kinda wish the east was like the west there just aren't as many places to wheel. Everywhere I look there's another city
Was that RA barking you on in the background? It's really amazing that you used to wipe the bugs off the grill. You've come a long way baby :-) Congrats on 60+ days. Remember you now have a more powerful addiction to feed - JEEPIN!
You need to get me those power line road maps. I have a trip to Vegas coming up I think to see Blue Man Group (my son at military school wants to see them on his spring break) and I HATE 4 corners.
Driving back one President's day weekend, it took us 3 hours to go 5 miles.
As for the wave, I do it in my Grand Cherokee too. Other GC owners look at me funny though.
Naw, that wasn't Ross Allen barking. I guess it might have been Rusty, the dog that belongs to Andy, the guy doing the video taping.
Hey, I still hope that I don't ever get MAJOR damage to Thelma Jane, but for the fun of wheelin', I take my chances. You just cannot imagine how much fun that stuff is!
You get out in the woods, which is a great thing in itself. You are with super good people that share the love of Jeeps with you. You get the adrenaline rush of doing something risky and making it through. And, with Old RA with me like he is every trip, I spend the day with my best friend in the whole world. Those are the main reasons I love wheelin' so much, I guess.
I have 2000 Wrangler Saraha. I want to replace the Cannon stock wheels and tires that came on it. I have a friend who has set of Rubicon 16" wheels with 245/75/16 Goodyear MT/R's off his 2004 Wrangler Rubicon. He is going to upgrade. Can I put these on my 2002 Sahara? Anyone have opinion of the ride they get on road from the MT/R's on the Rubicon Wheels. Is the ride quite rough or loud? I see they are E rated which appears to be quite a stiff 10 ply, The stock 30/9.5/15 Goodyears with 15" are not to loud and are a c rated 6 ply. I really like the look of the Rubicon wheel/tires. I would appreciate any comments. Thanks
I second Tom's advice; learn how to drive your stock Jeep first. I see the same problems at on-track driving schools. Drivers need to discover and explore the capabilities of their stock ride before they start throwing buckets of money at it. I've watched a stock 944 run and hide from a heavily modded Carrera 4-the difference being the driving abilities of the two drivers. Same with wheeling-I'm sure Tom has seen a well driven stock TJ or Liberty conquer a hill that a (poor) driver in a heavily modded Wrangler couldn't handle. Learn to drive first; leave the mods for later.
Yes, they'll fit ok. The only downside I know of is that those tires will pick up gravel and small rocks at slow speed, then eject them as speed increases. Stone chip damage can result, both to the Jeep and anything else in close proximity!
I would LOVE to. Perhaps when I've had a bunch of fun, and I don't shut up about it, maybe she'll let me research. I know of a 79 CJ5 with the V8 for sale for under 4,000. even has a spare engine for parts. I'm not sure I want that much of a beater. I'd like a 2000-1, something not brand new, but still nice that I can tinker with. I don't see making any changes in a TJ except for tires/wheels (assuming they are lousy when I buy), cleaning it up, and adding a few niceties like bikini tops, stereo, extinguisher, etc. The mechanical's I'd leave pretty much alone until I get more familiar with offroading.
I could see a 2-3" lift, quick discos, rock rails, bumpers, winch in the future, but after that, I am not certain. Maybe racks and better steering components... It would need to be a daily driver too, so I'm tempered by that.
We need to talk... David called me just a few minutes ago and had to cancel. We will still go, Paul, but the cabin thing is kind of out of the picture now. You should just get yourself a motel room for the nights that you will be there.
We'll discuss things in emails or in the chat room at Gill's.
Hey why don't ya come and join us at TB this weekend? It would be great to finally meet ya too. I know it a bit of a drive, but you could wheel with us on Monday as well.
I can't man. My wife is out of town and I have to take the boys to some soccer thing at 1:00 on Saturday. I didn't know about it when I said that I was in. I HATE it that I can't go.
I found both power line roads on the Southern California Auto Club county maps, and the best thing about those maps, they are free to AAA members. I can't remember if the road that bypasses the back-up at 4 Corners is on the Kern County or San Bernardino County map - I have both and don't remember where the county line is.
I have a whole set of SoCal AAA county maps - they are accurate, have mileage on many dirt roads, indicate both seasonal and permanently locked gates. I've found a few times the forest service may have closed a road after the map was published up in the mountains, but otherwise I've had no problems. I wandered off-road around Palm Springs quite a bit one trip just using the AAA maps, the odometer and a compass.
The road that avoids 4 Corners is not posted as restricted access in any way, is far enough from Hwy 58 that you wouldn't see it so we are usually the only people on it, and it is easy to find.
There is another road that parallels I-15 from Baker to Primm, but I've never driven it. It is something like 80 miles and the write-up I read on it in a SoCal off-road book suggested that you only take it with someone else. You are a long way from anyplace if you have a problem.
I can't man. My wife is out of town and I have to take the boys to some soccer thing at 1:00 on Saturday. I didn't know about it when I said that I was in. I HATE it that I can't go.
Like Mac said they will fit without a problem. I haven't had any problems with them throwing up rocks or anything at me yet but I'm sure it could happen. As far as ride quality and road noise. As long as you can find the right tire pressure for your type of driving (ie. highway or around town, highway usually a lbs or 2 lower) the ride is OK. You will feel the bumps and at low speeds you can almost feel the tread (yeah sounds weird but on the right road) As for noise, they can be loud. With my soft top up and stereo on I can barely hear them. Now that it's warmer the windows open and the top on the way down you can hear them pretty clear. To me it's just the sound of the Jeep, just like the engine. I like all the little quirks that my Rubi has and with it warming up I'm just finding a few more.
Thanks much for the opinions regarding Rubicons. Anyone have or had a Wrangler (Sahara) with the stock Cannons and 30x9.5x15 then go to a Rubicon wheels/MT/R's. If so did you find the ride and or noise that much different. My wife also likes the look of the Rubicon wheels and tires but is concerned that the ride (Sahara mostly used for everyday driving on highway/city with minimum off road) and noise may be significently more then the Cannons/15's. If the difference is only minimum she will be cool with it. Another thought was to go with some other tire with the Rubicon wheels. Friend will sell me the Rubicon wheels and keep then sell the MT/R's on Ebay. So any suggestions for another brand 245/75/16 to go with the Rubicon wheels? The Goodrich TA K0's have the same E rating as the Goodyear MT/R's so ride etc. might be about the same. Any input much appreciated. If I get this done I will sell my Cannon's with the stock tires (17,000 miles) on 4, 0 miles on the spare for the post who had the question. Thanks again.
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Tony
Thanks for hosting it twylie.
Andrew
I know I would be letting you guys down if I fall off the wagon. (Yeah, yeah, it would be letting ME down, but somehow it is easier to use you guys for incentive.)
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I don't know exactly how I went from a "bug gut wiper offer" to a guy who puts his Jeep through the stuff I do now.
Thelma Jane has scratches everywhere, kinked flares and front fenders from hitting trees in tight places, deformed flares from tire rub, dented and scratched tub corners, flares scrubbed on rock walls in gullies, etc. I am NOT one bit sorry that I got that damage. I had a BLAST accumulating all of it.
Those gullies are pretty safe. If I did lay her over on her side, she wouldn't go far before hitting the wall of the gully.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Just took delivery last Friday of a Black Wrangler 'X' Columbia Edition soft top with full doors. It has replaced a 10 year old Cherokee Sport 4x4 that has over 150,000 solid miles. It's still in the family (brother-in-law has it now), so I'm sure it will stay solid for a while to come.
I was able to get the full employee discount from a friend, 0% + $2000, another $500 for being a veteran, and a down payment. All in all, I got a fantastic deal too good to pass up even if I wasn't looking for new vehicle.
Fred
Tony
It's an '04 with auto, air, cruise, cd, seven speaker sound sytem, leather wrapped steering wheel, painted "ecco" wheels with color matching fender flares, fog lights, "Columbia" logo seats, full doors and tinted soft top windows.
I would have liked the manual trans (like my Cherokee), but my lovely wife wanted an auto in case she needs to use the Jeep. I've always wanted a Wrangler, but being single at the time of my Cherokee purchase, it was a little impracticle. My wife drives a new SUV, so the timing of the Jeep deal was perfect. We rented a Wrangler Sport while we were in Maui last December and it convinced her that a Jeep Wrangler was for us as a second car. My only request was to have the 4.0 I-6, so the Columbia Edition gave me more options for not much more money.
Fred
-Paul
As far as the manual vs. auto - it really is a personal choice, so don't be unhappy that you got the automatic. I have a manual and have been very happy with it, but if I spent more time driving in sand, I might not think so.
The only thing I really wonder about is all the gals who won't drive a manual (a pet peeve of mine). I've always been very happy that I learned how to drive one and really enjoy it. We had a number of automatics, until I test drove a Wrangler and re-discovered the fun of a manual. Now both our vehicles are manuals (though I think my other half would prefer an auto on one of them). I think that every person should learn how to drive a manual (and then decide which they prefer).
I'm glad I got the manual though, I know no-one else is going to drive it off
Fred: as for impracticallity, that's the Wranglers middle name. You get used to it. Got told on Saturday, "It's not a big boy car, it's a really expensive toy". You know it's the best damn toy I've ever bought
Tony
-twylie
Great incentive for a 16-17 year old.
-Paul
Keep it up!
I am down to less than 5 pieces of Nicorette a day.
Yeah, I have hung in there so far.
This is day 61. It was a much easier day today than I have been having lately... hardly thought about smoking. Needed a day like this!!!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
-twylie
Tyoshu: as far as lifts go, anything you replace (ie. shocks, springs, lower control arms, etc.) will not be under warranty any more. After that it seems to be a dealer based judgment as to what else they will cover after a lift. Some dealers wont warranty any part of the drive train with a minor 2" lift, while others will warranty the whole thing with a major lift of 4-5". No matter what though the replaced parts aren't covered.
My dealer installs SkyJacker lifts and I know if I go with something like the OME 2" I'll be safe and not have any problems with them. You should go and talk to your service manager and see what they say.
Tony
If I could find a low mileage 2001+ TJ, I'd drive it stock (or with slightly larger tires) until the warranty was up, THEN start the mods.
I guess it's easier to 'accept' the damage inherent with wheeling on a used car.
As for the RX-7's... they were a sweet car. I still see a few in cherry condition, but not many.
-Paul
Manual/Auto: Definite fan of the manual tranny. Like Tony said, it helps me be more aware (and involved) while driving... Not that there is anything wrong with having an auto. :-)
Andrew
However, it's always good practice to flush the entire system anyway to remove any sludge and deposits. There's a drain plug in the side of the block (which takes an odd sized wrench) to allow you to do the job properly.
Is there any reason you want to change the type of coolant? The 'old' green type works very well, and I don't see being able to go with a five year service interval with the orange type to be any real advantage.
Of course, if you have the orange in there now you may be wanting to change to green.
:--)
Like Mac said, you really want to use distilled water so you don't introduce more minerals into the system. Those minerals found in tap water do bad things when the water gets real hot!
-Paul
I have the original Mopar orange in there now-it seems what I find on the shelves in green. Also, I did not realize there was a drain plug on the block? I was going to flush it a few times by letting engine idle w/ temp set to wamest setting to open up thermostat-do you think that is effective enough? Thanks.
The thermostat opens as the temperature in the block/head rises.
Coolant from the cylinder head circulates through the heater core via a bypass around the thermostat. That's why the heater warms up so quickly.
The heater core is always hot. The temperature control knob operates an electrically controlled door (the blend door) in the HVAC housing, which diverts air through the core. As you can see, this will have no effect on the thermostat.
You can buy an attachment for a couple of bucks to flush the cooling system with a garden hose.
For one thing, you can develop your off road driving skills better with a stock Jeep. There is less forgiveness with a stock Jeep when you miss the perfect line than there would be with a highly modded Jeep, so it MAKES you learn to pick the line you need. Also, a more capable Jeep can get you into deeper doo doo that you are not prepared for as a driver. (Hey, so can a stock Jeep, but less so than for a modded one.)
Also, staying stock for a while gives you a chance to see what the more experienced Jeepers you run the trails with have for mods, and it gives you the chance to see how those mods are performing.
As for the Jeep Wave, man, I wish ALL TJ, YJ, and CJ owners would wave. I try to never miss an opportunity to wave at a Jeep.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
In an area I travel through frequently, I've used power line roads quite often - like when I'm avoiding the backup at 4 Corners (or Kramer Corners or whatever they are calling the intersection of Hwys 395 and 58). I noticed it marked on a SoCal Auto Club map once and have driven it several times (on holiday weekends it can take 2 hours to go 7 miles sometimes).
One time I looked at, but did not take ('cause we were driving the Taco) another power line road that would avoid Halloran Summit (there was an accident that had I-15 shut down for several hours). These roads travel though (more or less) uninhabited, federally owned land, so your local area could be different.
As far as where Paragon is, it's in PA. One of a few of roading locations in PA. Kinda wish the east was like the west there just aren't as many places to wheel. Everywhere I look there's another city
Tony
Driving back one President's day weekend, it took us 3 hours to go 5 miles.
As for the wave, I do it in my Grand Cherokee too. Other GC owners look at me funny though.
-Paul
Hey, I still hope that I don't ever get MAJOR damage to Thelma Jane, but for the fun of wheelin', I take my chances. You just cannot imagine how much fun that stuff is!
You get out in the woods, which is a great thing in itself. You are with super good people that share the love of Jeeps with you. You get the adrenaline rush of doing something risky and making it through. And, with Old RA with me like he is every trip, I spend the day with my best friend in the whole world. Those are the main reasons I love wheelin' so much, I guess.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
At least the Sahara has wider flares to help minimize the debris flying at the car.
-Paul
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Has rained about all day here. Had some rain earlier in the week too. If it would just quit now, the ground would dry up pretty good by the weekend.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I could see a 2-3" lift, quick discos, rock rails, bumpers, winch in the future, but after that, I am not certain. Maybe racks and better steering components... It would need to be a daily driver too, so I'm tempered by that.
I am SO ready for the weekend.
-Paul
We need to talk... David called me just a few minutes ago and had to cancel. We will still go, Paul, but the cabin thing is kind of out of the picture now. You should just get yourself a motel room for the nights that you will be there.
We'll discuss things in emails or in the chat room at Gill's.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
-Paul
-Paul
I have a whole set of SoCal AAA county maps - they are accurate, have mileage on many dirt roads, indicate both seasonal and permanently locked gates. I've found a few times the forest service may have closed a road after the map was published up in the mountains, but otherwise I've had no problems. I wandered off-road around Palm Springs quite a bit one trip just using the AAA maps, the odometer and a compass.
The road that avoids 4 Corners is not posted as restricted access in any way, is far enough from Hwy 58 that you wouldn't see it so we are usually the only people on it, and it is easy to find.
There is another road that parallels I-15 from Baker to Primm, but I've never driven it. It is something like 80 miles and the write-up I read on it in a SoCal off-road book suggested that you only take it with someone else. You are a long way from anyplace if you have a problem.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Tony