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  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited March 2012
    Phenomenal growth ahead for tablet market based on Cook and others observations. Watch out for the debut of that Microsoft tablet later this year for the high end market. IMO it is going to knock the droid out of the box and will ultimately redirect cell phone sales big time at the droid's expense. There have been numerous surveys in which the consumer market place has said they want a Microsoft tablet and I think there's a market literally waitng for Microsoft there. Although Microsft is not yet known for mobile I think that the tablet they will introduce will change that fast and MSFT stock could soar. Apple will do excepionally well and LT this looks like a Microsft and Apple sharing in the high end market with Amazon dominating in the much less profitable low end market. Apple sold about 15mln iPads last quarter for $9.15bln. So they've already made this a $30bln + annual product and the average price is well over the $499 entry point with no discounting needed. Big key in this market is the price range the Microsoft tablet will come in at and whether or not they have different screen sizes. That will effect Apple's strategy of playing with the past generation iPad's use as a discounted product that may also go to a smaller screen size option. Microsft could force Apple to offer different screen sizes in the newest iPad instead. Smaller screen sizes IMO are less profitable. Personally i prefer the bigger screen size.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/technology/as-new-ipad-debut-nears-some-see-de- - - - cline-of-pcs.html?_r=1&ref=business
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited March 2012
    Be careful here Tag. I don't trust anything going on until Apple announces the news tomorrow. There could be a lot of rumors going on right now that the new iPad will be lacking simply to try and knock down the share price in advance of the news tomorrow. I would guess that the new iPad will have something blockbuster in it rather than just a refresh with minor innovation simply because it's really Cook's debut product. I'm just sitting still, which has been the best strategy with Apple. Rumors may cause volatility today and then a quick jump in price on the news tomorrow or it could be a sell on th the news instead. I think the latter is always a possibility but it's much more so in a high PE stock. If Apple drops on the news tomorrow I'm a buyer for sure, but I think it's more likely to soar tomorrow with a lavish intro by Cook.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Careful?

    Took some gains, then repurchased those back at $519. I think it was a good move.

    TM
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    Well... I sold few more at the spikes yesterday... and early this morning I bought some back at a much lower share price... so it's working out nicely. But, I really don't want to get into "trading" the stock.

    You naughty boy :) ! I'm happy your day trading worked for you this time, but sooner or later, it will bite you in the [non-permissible content removed]. I know, I know that it's very tempting. Just try to add to the stock on dips instead of trying to get cute like I did about a month ago. I have been trying to add about 25 shares to my account. However, I first needed to transfer more money into the account. This is in the process now. Meanwhile, AAPL has rallied smartly from the lows and it is only about $4 lower (was $17 lower on the lows). So, I could be left out by the time the wire transfer is completed. We'll see.

    Btw, I briefly caught a bit of Cramer talking about the new iPad. He was saying that it would be called the iPad HD instead of iPad 3. Is that true? There is also talk that it may not have the quad core processor as I posted above.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    How much of Apple's success is Walmart carrying the iPad, iPhone and iPod? Our local WM gives them a nice display case. I did not see any Mac products.
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited March 2012
    Apple's TV strategy:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/apple-tv-dream-revealed-embarrass-ha- - - - rdware-makers-stiff-140040754.html

    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-30/tech/30457809_1_apple-s-tv-apple-- - - - analyst-apple-products

    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-01/tech/31112494_1_apple-s-tv-apple-- - - - analyst-channel-surfing

    Personally I think the biggest things coming in TV are the OLED technology and the ultra HD technology I posted a few days ago. If Apple is going into the TV business it needs to go to those sets instead of current generation. A lot of bells and whistles like voice control aren't going to cut it against a much better resolution technology. Resolution/picture clarity is the no. 1 priority for consuers IMO. It's why the old plasma sets once sold for $10k. Also from what I understand the new technologies are able to imbed the set top box within the TV and have signal controls similar to current boxes that allow you to view the content in the packages that cable and satelite currently tier. The lack of clutter and wires from set top boxes is something that consumers will also love.
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    Walmart doesn't attract the type of consumer Apple is trying to attract, at least not in the larger markets. It could be a player in the smaller markets though.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    edited March 2012
    Len,

    These Apple TV articles sound very exciting for the future. I'm sure that Apple has a plan in motion and it will be executed to perfection.

    I have been trying to buy 25 shares this morning, but the wire transfer is taking "forever". I may wait until tomorrow now unless the stock takes another big hit today.

    As an aside, are you folks having as much trouble as I have been having refreshing/posting on this site lately? Unless something is wrong with my computer, the process is agonizingly slow at times. I don't have this problem with other sites so I don't think it's my computer. What is going on? Maybe the moderator can chime in.
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  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    Thanks Kirstie! I will follow through and go the the help link and submit a ticket.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    Well, the wire transfer is now complete. Should I or shouldn't I? Obviously it would have been a lot better to buy more shares down near the lows ($5.16-$5.20) as opposed to the current price of $528-$529. What do you guys think?

    We still have the wild card tomorrow with the introduction of the iPad3/iPad HD (whatever it will be called). As Len so smartly stated above, it could be a blockbuster announcement since it is Tim Cook's debut product. Or, there could be some disappointment if it does not contain the quad core processor for example. If so, it could take a real plunge tomorrow. However, I have a feeling that Len is right and it will be a very positive type of announcement.
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    I laugh at stuff like this. This guy - Jon Najarian - was on the CNBC Fast Money show on a Friday afternoon and was the loudest in saying that he saw little upside in Apple when it rallied to $125 at that time and thought there were many stocks to buy that would give much greater returns so he recommended an exit out of Apple and into others. Now he's saying the exact opposite. These guys must think we forget their big mistakes and they act as if they were never wrong.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/46641431?__source=yahoo%7Cheadline%7Cquote%7Ctext%7C&par=- yahoo
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    I find it interesting that you have questions like that. Where's your conviction and confidence? ;)

    OF COURSE the products will be successful. Heck, the iPhone 4s wasn't the iPhone 5, and it didn't include a bunch of features that were expected, and it went on to sell like wildfire. The iPad HD that will be announced tomorrow will be a smash success. Count on it. And Apple TV WILL eventually make a solid dent, but TV is a very different market situation and it will take a little more time.

    And, later in the year, there are more good things in store.

    As I posted earlier, I bought Apple shares back today at $519, and then at the end of the session, I bought a little more at $527 and flipped some more. Terrific action on Apple today.

    No matter what happens with the share price tomorrow, it is all good. If the share price goes up, that's great, of course. If it goes down significantly, I consider it a discount and buy more and either hold them or flip some later depending upon the price action. It's awesome!

    TM
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    As an aside, are you folks having as much trouble as I have been having refreshing/posting on this site lately? Unless something is wrong with my computer, the process is agonizingly slow at times.

    Charlie...

    It's not you. We are all in the same boat. The performance of this site lately is absolutely HORRIBLE at times. Soooooooo slow... painful. :sick:

    TM
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    How much of Apple's success is Walmart carrying the iPad, iPhone and iPod? Our local WM gives them a nice display case. I did not see any Mac products.

    Probably a small percentage of Apple's sales are through WalMart. WalMart is just another sales channel for Apple in order to reach the broadest market possible.

    The unique thing is that Apple dictates to WalMart - typically WM is in the driver's seat with their suppliers. WalMart can't discount Apple products much - if at all.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    As I posted earlier, I bought Apple shares back today at $519, and then at the end of the session, I bought a little more at $527 and flipped some more. Terrific action on Apple today.

    Well, you heard what happened to me from my earlier posts. I did not have any extra cash on the E-Trade accounts and by the time the wire transfer went in, AAPL had rallied to $529. I did not feel like buying it at that level. I'm not sure what tomorrow will bring, but I will be fine if it takes off from here. If it were to take a nice dip I will buy 25 additional shares.

    So TM, do you think it will be indeed called the iPad HD? I have a feeling, as Len already suggested, that it will be a "blockbuster" announcement tomorrow.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    So TM, do you think it will be indeed called the iPad HD? I have a feeling, as Len already suggested, that it will be a "blockbuster" announcement tomorrow.

    As a guy with a college degree in advertising,, I see big benefits to changing to the name iPad HD, but that doesn't mean it will happen. It's certainly a great idea, and better opens the door to iPad as a product line, beyond a single product... which would further suggest the possibility of an additional smaller iPad in the near future, IMO. The name iPad HD also distinguishes the iPad3 as a premium model, and inherently makes a point about it's ultra high-end display (expected). So, I like the name iPad HD... whether they use it or not.

    Len is certainly not alone in his expectation for a blockbuster announcement. Apple has a strong and long proven history of such... an amazing track record. So, it's a common expectation that I and most others also share. That's why the risk of disappointment exists... A lot is expected from this company. Yet they seldom disappoint.

    I am more excited about FUTURE announcements, and that's why I own AAPL shares, even though I am otherwise not currently interested in investing in the stock market. Apple has an even more amazing future ahead. :)

    TM
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Charlie & Everyone...

    Here is a quote from an article I just read...

    "A series of last-minute rumors and speculation are suggesting that the iPad 3 might include haptic technology that would give on-screen objects texture. The rumors have linked Finnish company Senseg with Apple and have been fueled by Apple's media event invitations carrying the tagline "We have something you really have to see. And touch."

    Holy Smokes. Gotta wonder. What an exciting day.

    I am so glad I took advantage of the large two-day dip in AAPL share price yesterday. I will continue to do so when opportunities like that present themselves. Charlie... I suggest you always leave adequate cash in position to pull the trigger, so you do not find yourself missing the moments, like yesterday. There will be more.

    Enjoy this special day!

    TM
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited March 2012
    I like the idea of a pad just a bit smaller. I owned the 7" Kindle and it was too small. I have played with the Samsung 10.1 and 8.9" and prefer the latter. Still waiting for a pad with GPS that works like it should. The Samsung Transformer Prime came out and the Aluminum case interfered with GPS signals and got lousy reviews. Also issues with upgrades to latest Android Ice Cream Sandwich. They are scrambling to bring out an updated model with carbon fiber case. Still the fastest pad available with quad core processor. I can wait for the perfect pad.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    Gary...

    You might be in luck. The next iPad sibling could be 7.85"... either late this year or next Spring.

    I think the possibility of a touchscreen MacBook Air is even more exciting to me.

    TM
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    edited March 2012
    That's why you can't follow the "expert traders". They only track the short term. Then, they point out the best path in the rear view mirror! ;)

    Regards,
    OW
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think I would like the touch Macbook. I really do not like giving up my keyboard for serious typing. I found the Kindle virtual keyboard intolerably slow. That is why I gave it to my grandson. Who loves it. He probably can't touch type anyway. I will keep watching all options.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    Gary...

    Intel recently exhibited a well-featured "non-branded" Hybrid netbook. It boasted a well-engineered slide out mechanism that allows the tablet's display to tilt up and away, revealing a terrific keyboard... the best of both worlds... touchscreen and keyboard... and I believe THAT's the next step that makes sense.

    I am confident that a device like that will be available with Windows 8 in the near future. Apple would greatly benefit to offer something along that line.

    That said, there are numerous third party products that offer an iPad case with a physical keyboard built in... and there is one in particular that I posted here months ago that is top-notch, state-of-the-art, unlike the many cheaper ones.

    When I buy the iPad HD later in the Spring (I expect to do so, unless some other announcement grabs my attention), I will very likely get a high-end keyboard/case, but I will use the iPad without one first to see how it goes.

    Regardless, the iPad HD will likely represent a "good enough" product to finally stop waiting for the next evolution. There are always improvements in technology (goodness, that's for sure), and at some point, the products are good enough to buy. For so many years, I used to be a technology junkie... I bought everything in sight. It was insane (and fun). So, now I have learned to be more patient when it comes to technology... because I prefer to make sure I make my purchases at "key" points, so they are more likely to be current technology for a while, instead of becoming old technology too soon.

    That's why I am waiting for the iPhone5, and have waited for this iPad HD (or iPad3, whatever they call it.) I am also on the fence with the MacBook Air or MacBook Pro, because a significant change is coming in the next version, and it will very likely be the one to get.

    TM
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    Be ready for possible large price swings of AAPL shares over the next hours and especially days, and maybe even weeks ahead. This potentially excessive movement could be very profitable if played properly. I STRONGLY recommend that anyone here that's interested should maintain enough CASH on the sidelines and TAKE ADVANTAGE of large dips. Unusual price spikes could also be opportunities to ring the register a little bit.

    My main point is to be prepared.

    TM
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    What do you guys think?

    Personally, I think it has a gorgeous display, and it's an amazing device... but, I'm not quite as impressed as I had hoped I would be... I will definitely check it out, and might buy one. Not as sure as I was before seeing the event.

    EDIT: Just-announced improvements to Garage Band, iMovie, and especially the new iPhoto application make the new iPad more compelling.

    EDIT 2: The demonstration of iPhoto was nothing short of awesome. I am almost certainly sold on the device now.

    TM
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    (CNN) -- Apple rolled out a high-definition iPad on Wednesday with a display screen that promises to be dramatically sharper than the current model, the iPad 2.

    "It is amazing," Apple CEO Tim Cook said at a San Francisco unveiling. "We've taken it to a whole new level, and we are redefining the category that Apple created with the original iPad."

    The new 9.7-inch display screen will feature a "retina display" of 2047 by 1536 pixels, compared with the current model's 1024 by 768 pixels.

    To break it down, that's a total of 3.1 million pixels on the display screen.

    "Your retina in your eye cannot discern those individual pixels," said Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller. "The images on it look stunning."

    And the new iPad will be the first to run on 4G wireless networks, a source familiar with the device's specifications told CNNMoney on Wednesday.


    Regards,
    OW
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited March 2012
    Here's the list of features. I'm buying this one. The Apple store is off line right now as they are updating it, I guess for the iPad3 and the Apple TV product. Macmall has up to $120 off the iPad2 at the moment.

    http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/03/07/meet-the-new-ipad/?source=yahoo_quote
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    As predicted, there is some selling on the news.

    I did very well yesterday by buying at $519/share. Earlier today I sold the shares at $535, and I just bought some shares back at $525/share.

    Not sure what I will do with the rest of the trading day... depends upon the price action I guess.

    EDIT: I just sold those shares for a gain, and am buying them back for less once again, and then selling them again for yet another quick gain. This is a great day to trade these shares back and forth. I don't think there will be all that many days like this, because the stock will eventually settle back in, and it will be better to "hold" the shares, and not trade them.

    TM
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    edited March 2012
    Hi guys!

    I have been very busy with stuff the past few hours. I have been following the Apple news on my iPhone. I just got home a few minutes ago and I bought a total of 40 more shares (12 with the broker) and 28 on one of the E-Trade accounts at about $526.

    From what I have read, it does not appear that the new iPad has anything that is considered disappointing. Yes, there seems to be a bit of sell the fact, but these bozos will be sorry very shortly. I don't think there is anything stopping AAPL from reaching the $700 level in the next 6 months or so and possibly $1000 within a year or two.

    As soon as it is available at my local Apple store, I am definitely buying the new iPad. However, I doubt I will go with a data plan. Wi-Fi is good enough for me. Btw, is it officially called the iPad 3?
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    Best I can tell, it is simply called the iPad.

    I have been trading the stock recently, and it is perfect for that right now. I still think there is one more pullback in price ahead. Could be wrong, of course, but that's just my guess. Regardless, it will hit great new highs later this year.

    TM
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    edited March 2012
    Best I can tell, it is simply called the iPad.

    Surely, they have to give it a name other than just plain iPad. That would not fly, would it?
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    If they do keep it to iPad, I think it makes sense, like the iMac, or MacBook Air... it can become a product LINE instead of a single product... and that is still my prediction based upon everything I have read in the rumor mill.

    Regardless, it is still a terrific product by any name.

    EDIT: BTW, for better or worse, I am selling most of my shares at this level, and taking the gains. I think there is one more pullback in store, and I will buy to hold at that time. Otherwise, I will simply buy again in the near-term. Worst case, scenario, I would return some of the nice extra gains I made by successfully trading in the last couple days. Best case scenario, I am right, and get one more nice gain to add.

    TM
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    Surprising to me too Charlie, but it's just called iPad:

    excerp fro the NY Times:

    The new tablet, called simply the new iPad with no numbers or letters following the name, is an effort to keep growth chugging along in a two-year-old business that has turned into a major technology franchise for the company. Apple’s $9.15 billion in iPad sales over the holiday quarter were almost double the amount of revenue Microsoft brought in from its Windows software and not far from Google’s total revenue as a company during the same period.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    edited March 2012
    I guess that they will simply be referring to iPads from now as as 3rd generation, 4th generation, etc. It doesn't bother me at all.

    Len

    When are you going to buy one? I am going to pick one up at my local Apple Store when it is available. However, I will not be standing in lines. I can wait a few weeks.
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    I'll probaby buy from macmall as soon as they are taking orders. They have a $100 restaurant coupon for phone orders (assuming the iPad qualifies) and no sales tax. They are very good at fulfillment in my experience as well.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    I am thinking it would be the perfect "Mother's Day" gift for my wife. And, therefore, a perfect "Father's Day" gift for me thereafter... lol ;)

    TM
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited March 2012
    Tag - That never works for me. I have a close friend thats a jeweler in town, his own business, and to say the least it costs me a lot of money every year.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    Len, I TOTALLY understand. A few weeks ago, I took a boat trip to Catalina Island. I assume you know about it. While there, I bought her a nice piece of jewelry. Although not from my usual source, I bought it because it was a very unique "one-of-a kind" pendant.

    I am very familiar with buying jewelry for my wife, and I also buy her expensive perfume that shows up every year without fail in her Christmas stocking. One of the other things she likes is nice sunglasses. Two weeks ago, I bought her the most beautiful (and it turned out the most expensive) pair of Gucci sunglasses I could find.

    I did these things to celebrate that she was up and about after so much torture from her neck injury.

    ;)

    So, I am aware that she had already wanted an iPad or MacBook for Mother's Day anyway, and since the new iPad is out, I think it would be perfect... and it could then turn out that I just happen to want one for Father's Day. :)

    So, now you understand. And, all that said, let me say in all fairness to her, that her appetite for jewelry and some of the finer things is reasonable and I really appreciate that she doesn't expect them as some sort of condition for our marriage. She genuinely appreciates them, and she has her priorities in the right place. In fact, her priorities are soooo good, that it is one of the primary reasons I married her... aside from the fact that she is a gorgeous gal... and she REALLY is. Heck, a sexy, good-looking woman with priorities in the right place is enough to motivate me to get her those nice things now and then, wouldn't you agree? :blush:

    TM
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I guess that they will simply be referring to iPads from now as as 3rd generation, 4th generation, etc. It doesn't bother me at all.

    I think it is best from a sales perspective. If you have iPad 2s sitting out and everybody wants an iPad 3 or 4 or 5, you will not be able to sell the iPad 2. By making small changes and not changing the name it is easier to sell to people that just want an iPad. They may not care less that the resolution was just doubled. So I think it was a smart marketing move. Does it have the Quad Core processor? I think the resolution tops the pack for right now. I don't see much practicality in going beyond 2047x1536. Now getting them to use less power will be the next step. Sadly the 4G ability will be wasted in so many parts of the USA, where the demand far exceeds the supply. Look for much higher cost for data transfer on 4G LTE in the future.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    IBM news....

    IBM scientists have created a prototype optical chipset that they called the Holey Optochip. The chip is the first parallel optical transceiver to hit one terabit of information per second. IBM says that’s like downloading 500 high-definition movies in a single second. The Optochip is eight times faster than the parallel optical components we have today.

    IBM Holey Optochip is first to 1 trillion bits of information per second

    Regards,
    OW
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    Thanks OW!

    And on a similar note to illustrate the ever-improving capability to process data at increasingly faster speeds... here is another interesting piece of news. This time the credit goes to HP.

    HP eyes 2015 release for 3D integrated photonic chips
    By Joseph Volpe posted Mar 8th 2012 2:23AM

    It's unavoidable -- mention HP and images of the TouchPad come floating to the surface. What most geek folk don't realize, however, is that the company recently famous for open sourcing webOS has been hard at work behind-the-scenes prepping for the next stage in computing: integrated photonics. The project, codenamed Corona, aims to create stackable 3D chips that communicate using inbuilt, microscopic lasers made from gallium. This new breed of CPUs is on track to combine "256 general purpose cores organized in 64 four-core clusters" created using a 16nm process for a performance boost of up to six times faster than traditional circuitry. Why do this? Well, the nature of optical communication would not only speed up the rate at which the various cores could relay data (a theoretical 20 terabytes per second), but would also drastically lower power requirements from a current 160 watts to 6.4 watts. Sounds like the future, indeed, but as with all things forward-facing, many of the necessary components are still being developed, so take that 2015 target date with a heady amount of sodium chloride.


    HP eyes 2015 release for 3D integrated photonic chips

    TM
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited March 2012
    When are you going to buy one? I am going to pick one up at my local Apple Store when it is available. However, I will not be standing in lines. I can wait a few weeks.

    Charlie,

    I just ordered it in black from the Apple store - wifi only and 64GB with a black leather cover. Since whereever I go there's wi-fi i had no need to order it any other way. Now let's see how long before my kids take it over and I have to buy a second one. BTW unless I misread something it says it will arrive on March 16th.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Look for much higher cost for data transfer on 4G LTE in the future.

    Much higher?

    Interesting thought. Initially leaves me with two considerations.

    First... the technology to move massive amounts of data continues to improve. In fact, it must improve, or else there would be the equivalent of data traffic jams... and such a scenario would indeed push prices up. But I don't think prices can go up all that much, otherwise people would be forced out of the market, which is the last thing the industry wants to happen.

    Second... cloud computing, which allows massive amounts of data to move back and forth between devices and server facililties. This is a growing situation, and the ability to move data is critical. Therefore, the technology MUST keep up, and it reinforces my first point.

    Considering the two prior posts that reference IBM and HP... one by OW and one by myself... regarding incredible technology advancements, it seems reasonable to think that the industry will be able to keep up with the data demands.

    However, there does appear to be efforts by the carriers to place higher premiums on moving data.

    TM
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    I think it is best from a sales perspective. If you have iPad 2s sitting out and everybody wants an iPad 3 or 4 or 5, you will not be able to sell the iPad 2. By making small changes and not changing the name it is easier to sell to people that just want an iPad. They may not care less that the resolution was just doubled. So I think it was a smart marketing move.

    I totally agree.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    OT for the cosmology crowd from todays NY Times;

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/07/science/higgs-boson-may-be-indicated-in-new-da- - ta.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=elusive%20particle&st=cse


    Keep these articles coming Len! This is SO exciting to me.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    Purchasing an iPad with a data plan is of little value, IMO.

    Most of the time, an iPad is connected with Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi is so readily available in so many places. And the Hotspot Wi-Fi feature that is increasingly available on smartphones makes Wi-Fi available everywhere the cellphone has a signal. Since most people keep their cellphone with them most of the time, I simply do not see the need to buy the iPad with a data plan. I realize that there are still many cellphones that are still in use that do not have a Hotspot Wi-Fi feature, but this is rapidly changing, and it makes more sense, IMO, to spend the money on the Hotspot feature in the cellphone, than to spend it as an extra cost of an iPad... particularly since the cellphone is carried almost all the time, but an iPad would be used intermittently... thus making the Wi-Fi signal more readily available through a cellphone than an iPad.

    So, it therefore makes much more sense to buy the Hotspot Wi-Fi feature within the cellphone data plan... IMHO, of course.

    I will definitely buy the iPad later this Spring, and I will buy it with the maximum storage capability, but without a data plan, since I already have Wi-Fi Hotspot on my smartphone.

    I already own some expensive studio music equipment, and I look forward to seeing how well the iPad can be integrated into that. I understand that it is amazing in that capacity. I have used my son's MacBook Pro recently in the past, and it connects perfectly via a special MIDI interface with all the studio equipment.

    On a seperate note, I had a couple days of VERY successful day-trading AAPL shares, and I made some serious extra green as a result... it was a nice bonus!... however, and fortunately, I did manage to come to my senses and maintain ownership of my original moderate investment of AAPL shares, which I intend to continue to hold. Moving forward, I will buy on significant dips, as before, and possibly flip a few here and there, if it is obvious to me, as it was earlier this week.

    I can't wait for the NEXT amazing announcements from Apple. They are going to be awesome. And, there will be no doubt that this is a $1000/share stock! :)

    TM
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    edited March 2012
    Most of the time, an iPad is connected with Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi is so readily available in so many places. And the Hotspot Wi-Fi feature that is increasingly available on smartphones makes Wi-Fi available everywhere the cellphone has a signal. Since most people keep their cellphone with them most of the time, I simply do not see the need to buy the iPad with a data plan. I realize that there are still many cellphones that are still in use that do not have a Hotspot Wi-Fi feature, but this is rapidly changing, and it makes more sense, IMO, to spend the money on the Hotspot feature in the cellphone, than to spend it as an extra cost of an iPad... particularly since the cellphone is carried almost all the time, but an iPad would be used intermittently... thus making the Wi-Fi signal more readily available through a cellphone than an iPad.

    So, it therefore makes much more sense to buy the Hotspot Wi-Fi feature within the cellphone data plan... IMHO, of course.


    Tag,

    As I stated on an earlier post from yesterday or the past couple days, I do not intend to buy a data plan with the new iPad I am purchasing in a few weeks. I agree that Wi-Fi is so readily available that most folks do not need to spend extra money for a data plan. If I am in a location that has no Wi-FI and I desperately need to access the Internet, I can always buy a data plan for a month only from AT & T for example.

    Now, please fill me in on this hotspot Wi-Fi feature on the cell phone. I am totally unfamiliar with this. Does one need to pay extra for this feature or is it automatically available as long as one buys a data plan for the smart phone? As you know, I own the iPhone 4S and I have a data plan (4 gigs a month) from AT & T. Do I need to buy this hotspot feature for the iPhone separately in order to connect the iPad to the iPhone Wi-Fi?
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited March 2012
    please fill me in on this hotspot Wi-Fi feature on the cell phone. I am totally unfamiliar with this.

    Hi Charlie...

    Firstly, you need to confirm that your smartphone has the feature capability already built into the cellphone. If it does, it would need to be activated. The carriers have different rate plans, and optional features available... but typically, the Hotspot feature is an extra monthly charge... and the charge varies, depending upon your plan and carrier. I am on a commercial business plan with numerous phones, and I pay $29/month for the feature. I think that is on the high side, however, the plan itself is very competitive because it covers numerous phones and offers totally unlimited data... so, even though the Hotspot feature by itself might seem a bit pricey, overall it is a bargain when considering the rate on the ENTIRE plan package altogether.

    Best thing for you to do is first see if your phone has the feature. The latest iPhones DO have the feature, so compare the rate plans with your carrier, and see if it is worth it for you to have Wi-Fi everywhere you go.

    The way it works is that the cellphone converts the normal cellular signal into a Wi-Fi signal, and it allows for numerous devices to sign in with a password, just like at your home or like any typical public place or establishment that offers a Wi-Fi signal. It is not advisable to keep the Hotspot turned on at all times, because it increases the use of the cellphone's battery, and it is therefore advisable to turn it on only when needed. As a result, you would develop an awareness to keep your phone charged a little more often when it is convenient (just to be prepared for using the Hotspot), such as when you are in your car, or home near your phone's charger.

    By the way, once you enable the feature, it is VERY simple to toggle it on and off (on the cellphone), and then the sign in can be set to automatic, so it can be a very simple procedure to use it when you want to. Essentially, you would just turn it on, and then your iPad would automatically be signed in to the Wi-Fi.

    If you need/want your iPad to be instantly on the internet at any time and anywhere there is a simple cell signal, then this feature is a MUST. If, however, you believe that you have adequate capability to connect to the internet when necessary, then you do not need to spend the extra money. Also, consider that your cellphone already has internet access, so the question is whether or not ADDITIONAL devices, such as your iPad, would need internet access at any time you want. Otherwise, again, you would not need the feature.

    From my own experience, the feature is fantastic. And, because it allows numerous users to access the Wi-Fi signal, it can be very helpful when there are others around that need to sign in with their devices. My son often asks me to turn it on when we are in the car when he wants to use his MacBook Pro, sometimes to do homework, and other times to just surf the web. It's very cool.

    Hope that helps.

    TM
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    Thanks for this detailed explanation TM! It is very enlightening. How do I know if my phone has this capability? When I go to Wi-Fi on the settings it just gives me the available Wi-Fi spot(s). I probably do not need this feature, but I am just curious.
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