Toyota Sequoia

thirdsuv

Cliffy said:
"Unfortunately, you can not order an SR5 with the spoiler or fog lights"

Rats...I was hoping that you were gonna say that Toyota added the option due to customer complaints.

Anybody have an alternative yet to the $440 parts cost from Toyota? I heard 170$ per light and $100 (!!!!) for the switch. Hell you can buy a wireless switch for $50.

cheers

cliffy1

The car business is not often pretty. yes, I was a rookie once and when I was, I was called off a few complicated deals. There are certain customers who require a professional and this was one such customer. That was a lost customer in the first 30 seconds. Had I not jumped in, they would have been out the door before he could return from the desk.

Now, after they left and everything had calmed down, I did sit down with the guy and tried to work with him. This guy has been a project since the day he started. I have spent many hours with him trying to train him on how to properly deal with customers. Unfortunately, I just don't think he is cut out for this business. That is not an insult but a statement of fact. Some guys just shouldn't do this.

oac3

thirdsuv: I heard same...but then my dealer changed the number to $200 per light. Weird ! And the switches, they now say the price is unknown !! Weird-er... And Toyota itself doesn't know bcos "the car is new and we don't have a part # for it yet..." This corny story about the Seq from Toyota sucks, pardon my language... I'd hold out until the summer or fall when I expect some of these parts to become available as the car moves into year-2 of production.

toyotatoys

Some of you may have already read my previous angry post about not having the SCAB on an SR5. It turned our we can get it, but I think only on build order units. I still wish it were an easier to get option.

With the fog lights, I'm not so angry but I still wish that's a standard feature (or at least an option) because of its safety value. Aesthetically, I just cannot stand the black plastic insert that they put in there. It looks like a pirate's eye cap (or whatever you call it). It makes it obvious that something is missing. If nothing else, I wish we could get a FAKE glass cap that fits there. Otherwise, it will potentially be an additional $500 when it becomes available.

If the Highlander comes standard with fog lights, I don't understand why Sequoia does not.

topgn

I took a beating in the stock market in 2000.
So I am looking at saving $$$. I own a LX470 purchased in June of 2000. I am looking a buying a two wheel drive SR5 ( very little off roading, plus I live in Florida..No snow). Dealer will sell 5% over invoice and give me $49,000 for LX with 7200 miles ...Should I suck it up and keep the LX or save $$$ and get the SR5 at $34,000.
That is a SR5 with CQ, AH, and roof rack...
Welcome all opinions...??

dianne4toyota

I have been getting an average of 30+ emails a day about Sequoia. No, no banners, thanks! (LOL)

--Dianne
dianne@earthlink.net
in not-so-sunny Southern California tonight (pouring rain!!)

gingles

Its time to buy a new larger s.u.v. Three dogs four hunting buddies in a jeep grand is to tight. So my friend buys the 2000 chevy tahoe Z71 package. Neat on the road and simple 4 wheeling. However we had a full load in it a few weeks ago 4 guys three dogs and when we were going slow in 4 wheel hit a few dips to one side and a couple of frame twisters the rear tires would rub the inside of the fender wells on a piece of plastic that was covering the shock mounts. Rear all the time front we think sometimes. Stock tires and wheels are stock. Tore up the plastic makes me think about if this is the one to buy or go ford. Anyone else have that problem? The dealer is confused. Please let me know. thanks

salm

TopGn: You need to talk to fanman8.
He lives in your area, and said his best price was for 5% ODI.
If you list your e-mail, I will forward it to him.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

ryanbab

Was it the old bodystyle?

the new body style 2000 tahoes didnt come with the Z71 pkg

Ryan

stacy

Bettter service - if you ever need it - like a car with your oil changes, Better warranty, Safer permanent 4wd system, More luxurious car, Quieter, Proven vehicle vs new vehicle. Unless you need more room, keep the LX. ANyway, 49K is not so much once you figure you get your SR5 for 35K plus taxes and license fees and whatever else they throw on becomes almost 40 anyway. So your not really saving a tremendous amount of money. Just my opinion. hope it helps.

stacy

Drew or cliffy or someone knowledgeable about this. Here goes. The news lately has been all over the rollover issue with the SUV's. The Seq is tall, as is the TLC. THey are saying that the new SUV's need to have a wider track and a lower center of gravity. How does the SEQ and TLC do, Especially SEQ, because it is new. Husb is afraid of the big car rolling over because it is so tall and I'm not the safest driver in the world, he thinks I'll flip it over. Please respond, I certainly dont want to flip over. Thanks in advance. Stacy

sardu

Does anyone know if you can get a electronic rear view mirror for the Seq? I can't believe a 45k truck doesn't have one the 30k Exped. does.

thirdsuv

Everthing I've read to date does NOT indicate that the LC has a "Safer permanent 4wd"

The SQ can be switched to 4WD on the first day of ownership and stay in that mode forever. It's operation in that 4WD mode is the same as LC. The SQ has the ADDITIONAL capability to run in 2WD that the LC doesn't.

thirdsuv

Well the positives is that it is about as wide as you get with a SUV, has a fairly modern suspension system, and probably most importantly is one of the few SUVs that has a stability control to reduce under/over steer which can contribute to rolloevrs.

OTOH, if you are the type of driver that with an honest assesment does some of the following, then you are probably not the best candidate.
1) Find yourself easily distracted which results in "near misses" where you are forced to make emergency manuevers to avoid accidents
2) Your impulse reactions to emergencies are wrong (For instance if you over steer to avoid hitting cats, dogs, etc)

If you have your doubts, you may want to check out the MDX or lower slung SUVs

cheers, Jim

6osubeavers

Can anyone answer a simple ? for me. I have a Sep. Limited with all options and am wondering if I am missing the rear area cover behind the third row seat. The rear panels have the spots to snap this in, and the owners manual refers to the operation of this cover for the rear area as well. If Dianne4toyota or cliffy1 could answer I would greatly appreciate.

stacy

thanks for responding. However, I suppose I was unclear but in the LC you do not have to deal with switching into or out of 4wd. While Perm 4wd may not be safer, it certainly is less complicated for the regular driver - this is where I think it is better. I cannot imagine ever wanting this type of car in 2wd mode since it is safer in 4wd mode (according to the many discussions here) - unless of course you are very poor and cannot spare a few extra bucks for gas. If you have been following this board many folks are having trouble with this aspect of the SEQ. And, it does seem less complicated not to have to think about 2wd vx 4wd - personally I would just keep it in 4wd. STill where is the center of gravity on this vehicle? FYI, I have been driving SUV since '95 - had a 95 JGC ltd and now drive 99 RX. Am basically safe driver, but it seems the vehicles are tipping more lately, or perhaps it is just being reported more.

rruck1

I have seen an optional cargo net feature listed for this area, but no cover in either standard or optional features. I have not looked in the SR5 manual to see if it's in there, but it seems kind of odd that it's not listed in any features guide that I've seen? This would probably be a decent option though.

rhanson3

Michael's toyota in bellevue Washington has a Green SR5 with a rear spoiler that looks identical to the limited spoiler sitting next to it. The fleet manager did not know if it was after market or port installed. My understanding has always been that you could not get it from toyota on a SR5. In any case, it looked just like the limited's

brillmtb

Keep the LX470 or sell yourself for higher resale. The dealer must be ripping you off with that quote. On their defense they will give you much less than you could get selling it on your own becasue they will have to warrenty it and they want additional profit.

On another note the Seq just cant compare to the LC or LX as in your case. This would be a lose lose situation for your. Lose money and drop in SUV quality. For reference, the sticker on the 2001 LC was 61,000.

calvinhobbes

I think the Sequ is the heaviest SUV when compared to the Tahoe/Yukon, Expedition or Suburban/Yukon XL.
I also think it has a higher center of gravity than those vehicles, but I am not sure. It is also narrower than all of them.
All those factors would indicate that it may be more prone than those SUV's to rollover.
But it is the only one out of those SUV's with stability control, which probably helps things a bit.
If you are worried about rollovers, buy a minivan.

thirdsuv

In order of weight from heaviest
Expedition, Sequoia, Tahoe with a couple hundred pounds between each one. I can only assume that the XL/Suburb is heavier then all those 3 since it will have the largest engine and another 2 feet of body.

I have never seen a COG number for Sequoia on the net yet. Meez thinks you're pulling that guess out your exhaust system.

The wheel track width is not narrower then the Expedition unless you mean by an insignificant 0.2 inches. I went to the lot armed with a tape measure because my wife didn't believe it.

Coupled with the suspension, Stability track, and head+side airbag, seatbelt pretensioners and force limiters, I know which of the 4 I'd choose if I was forced to do an ill-advised 60MPH evasive manuever.

My advice to my wife is to not to fear smashing something smaller then you if its not cemented into the ground. If somebody pulls out in front out you, you're better off T-boning the offender than to swerve into a headon or a tree.

6osubeavers

rruck1 thanks for the response. Parts department has this listed as available to order for $600.00 in both oak or gray. Parts guy said I should talk to sales to see why it didn't come with my SEQ. Confused...

npep

thanks for the help, like them both.

merlinti

This is my first time posting anything to a message board, so please bear with me. All the dealers, with the exception of Dianne at Carson Toyota, stated that the preference package (leather interior)for the SR5 is non-existent and you must purchase the limited if you want factory leather. Dianne was very helpful and I recommend her highly. At this time my vehicle is on order and will most likely have to wait 2-3 months before it arrives. I will provide an update once the transaction is completed. We need more people in sales (like Dianne) that will accommodate buyers without forcing them to purchase something they don't want, especially when it is offered by the factory. All the other sales persons said the preference package is offered in the brochure, but does not exist at this time.

jam1000

$600 for a rear cargo cover?!?!?! He's got to be kidding.

calvinhobbes

Curb weight, 4x4 Suburban: 5123 lbs.
Curb weight, 4x4 Sequoia: 5295 lbs.
What is it about the people on this board?
Did you take your tape measure over to the Chevy dealer? What did you measure over there?
As for safety features, does the Sequoia have both side air bags and curtain bags?
Is the curtain bag even available at this time in any great numbers? It wasn't on any of the Sequ's at the dealers near me.
Doesn't the Chevy have side air bags and seat belt pretensioners?
Isn't the Chevy considered to be one of the safest vehicles on the road?
How about trying some objectivity there, third SUV, or at least a swig of some alcohol.
The people on the Tundra Solutions board are a lot more objective and accurate.

sender5

I too have an SR5 on order with the preferred package. In my region there were mostly SR5's in the lot with this package. I am in the New York region so we maybe had different allocations. FYI- the brochure states that the leather captains chairs are heated but from reading this board it was reported by people who purchased this package that they are NOT heated and the brochure is incorrect. I brought this to the attention of my dealer who told me that Toyota reserves the right to change equipment and is not responsible for misprints. I basically got nowhere. Did anybody else have this problem and was there any solution?

gingles

yes ryanbab thats what the dealer told him because chevy was having a problem with the fender flairs so they stopped production of the Z71 package in early 2000. The dealer found one without the fender flairs anyhow. Looks better that way. Still have tire rub problem.

ducatista

Can the SQ or LC easily tow a 28' camper that weighs 4200 lbs. I know the 4x4 is rated for 6200 max. I currently use a 2000 Ext Cab Silverado P/U w/ 5.3 liter, 285 HP / 325 lb-ft of torque and is rated to tow 8000 lbs. This Chevy does a great job but I can definitely tell I'm towing a load. I would like more passenger room and hate to spend 40 large on the Tahoe / Sub. However, after 18000 miles - this has been a flawless product. Did I get lucky? I don't want to go the GM route unless I have to.

If the Toyota can handle the job, is the 7-pin electrical connection (lights, electric brakes, etc)easily adapted / or available thru Toyota?

Thanks for the help.

fazthands

Well, I finally bit the bullet and bought the Sequoia. I bought the 4WD SR5 with convenience package, alloy wheels, added leather seats and power moonroof. I got more on it but thats just about what it mainly was. I paid $40,100 including tax and license. NOW I am finding out there isn't a sensor to let you know the lights are on. My '94 Ford Explorer had that. It also doesn't have the power seats or the auto lights. I have tried to get this aftermarket (the auto lights). But they didn't know anything at the dealer. Even the mechanics were mystified it wasn't standard on a Toyota truck. So I basically paid $40k for a base, base model with a couple of extras. Does anyone know if you can get the auto lights/daylight sensor installed aftermarket? I live in the Bellevue/Seattle, WA area too. Thanks everyone.

dsmg

I am in the Washington, D.C. area and very interested in purchasing a Sequoia Limited. I've got one dealer to go $1500 below MSRP. (and waive the "processing fee"), but I'm not convinced that is such a deal. I'd be interested in knowing how much over invoice others are paying and what a good price would be. Thanks.

obyone

If you feel it now with the 5.3, how do you think a 4.7 would perform in a heavier vehicle? More room? get a 3/4 ton Burb.

templeton1

OK GUYS....HERE IS THE DEAL....I HAVE ONLY OWNED FOREIGN CARS, EXCEPT FOR MY LAST, WHICH WAS A CHRYSLER MINIVAN...TOP OF THE LINE...HAD IT FOR 4 YEARS AND ENJOYED IT IMMENSILY....TOTALLY FIT THE NEEDS OF MY FAMILY...I ENJOYED BEING UP SO HIGH...THAT WAS THE BIG THING BACK THEN...RECENTLY HAVE NOTICED THAT I FELT KINDA LOW NEXT TO THE SUVS...I LOVED VANESSA, AS SHE WAS CALLED...I LOVED ALL THE NEAT AMERICAN TOUCHES SHE HAD....THE LIGHTS WENT OFF AUTOMATICALLY IF WE DIDNT TURN THEM OFF...NO SO WITH THE SEQUOIA.....THE FULE GAGE WHEN CLOSE TO EMPTY KEEP WARNING ME WITH A BEEP...NOT SO WITH THE SEQUOIA...ALL DOORS LOCKED AUTOMATICALLY AT 16 MILES...NOT SO WITH THE SEQUOIA...THE FONT ON THE RADIO AND TEMPERATURE GAUGES WAS EASY TO READ...NOT SO WITH THE SEQUOIA, ALTHOUGH I AM GETTING A BIT OLDER...I HAVE HAD SUMO FOR A WEEK NOW AND AM FINALLY COMING CLOSE TO BEING IN LOVE WITH HIM....IT HAS TAKEN AWHILE FOR ME TO GET OVER THE AMERICAN COMFORTS...HE IS SO FUN TO DRIVE AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE IN HIM...I AM GETTING ALMOST 15 MPG, IN VANESSA 16.5....NOT TOO BAD....MOSTLY, OVER THE COMPETITION...TAHOE....YUKON...DENALI...FORD...I LIKED THE ACCESS TO THE THIRD ROW SEATING...THAT IS WHAT SOLD ME...ALSO, SEQUOIA HAS SOME KIND OF GOOD EMISSION RATING...HELPED ME TO GET OVER THE GAS THING...DO YOU KNOW THAT IN SOME SUVS U HAVE TO ACTUALLY STEP ON THE BACK OF A SECOND ROW SEAT TO GET INTO THE THIRD ROW??? WHEN I WENT TO SEE HIM, I ASKED THE SALESMAN IF I COULD GO SEE THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT...HE LAUGHED, SAID I WOULDNT SEE MUCH, AND I DIDNT...VERY FEW TOYOTAS IN THERE...HE SAID I DO NOT NEED TO MAKE AN APPT TO HAVE SUMO SERVICED...THEY JUST ARENT THAT BUSY....I CANT TELL YOU HOW LONG OF A LINE I HAVE WAITED IN TO HAVE VANESSA SERVICED...ALTHOUGH I LOVED HER DEARLY, I AM SO LOOKING FORWARD TO NO MAINTIENCE...I AM COUNTING ON THE TOYOTA NAME...MY VAN TOTOLLY HAD PROBLEMS WITH EVERYTHING...WIPERS, AC...REAR WINDOWS..TRANSMISSION...CD PLAYER...STILL.....I LOVED HER DEARLY...AM GLAD TO HAVE A TOYOTA BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF MY FAMILY...2 DAUGHTERS WITH HORSES...HOPE SUMO WILL PULL ON JUST FLAT LAND TO CLOSE DESTINATIONS...AM LOOKING FORWARD TO LITTLE SHOP TIME...

rruck1

It is a little mystifying the way that Toyota decided what goes on the SR5 model and what goes on the Limited. There seems to be little substantive difference, but you can't get some pretty basic things on the SR5 that are standard on the Limited like auto on/off lights and fog lights. I guess there had to be some distinction between the two models, but I would have preferred that they just produce a Sequoia' - no SR5, no Limited and just let people have the options they want.
It is ridiculous that an SUV - a mufti purpous vehicle that is intended for off road use (whether anyone uses it or not)- has no option for fog lights. To top it off, dealer installed options are so expensive that it makes much more sense to go for the Limited if these things are at all important to you, just look up a couple of posts to see the $600 quote for a cargo area cover.
Oh well, I would imagine that the way these guys are selling that 'aftermarket parts should not be too long in coming and will probably offer a better variety of choices. I guess for now I will have to be happy in my dumpy $39000+ SUV without the options that upper crust Limiteds have.

rruck1

Shhhhh, some of us are sleeping. Caps lock is on the left.
I too moved to the Sequoia from a minivan and have been vey happy with the change. I had a Nissan Quest which didn't have all the bells and whistles (so I don't miss them), but performed well for 5 years. Being a Nissan it didn't see too much shop time. I have been very impressed with the ride and roominess of the Sequoia. I thought I was going to be giving up a little in terms of capacity and flexibility, but the SUV beats the mini hand down. I hope you and Sumo are very happy together.

layneo

In regards to the automatic lights--my wife was dismayed to see that the Seq didn't have a sensor to notify that lights were on--worried about the battery life when truck was off. She told me the other day, though, that it wasn't an issue--lights go off automatically after a period of time. From discussions on this forum, is appears that my truck is the only one that does this. Has anyone else noticed that the lights do go off automatically? If so, sensor isn't really needed.

FYI--700 miles and my wife and kids love it! My 14 yo and his "car fanatic" friends think the truck is tough!

thirdsuv

Did a little fact finding on web

The normal seat warmers are nothing more then a
thin heating pad placed between seat foam and
leather covering.

The industry-wide FACTORY cost at high volumes for the warmer is between $14 and $25.

The leather coverings in most installations have a velco opening that allows coverings to be easily removed/replaced. This is unconfirmed for SQ.

I see retail pricing for a dual zone/dual temperature heater for approx $170

Anybody have access to pricing from Toyota for the currently installed heater and switch in SQ?

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calvinhobbes

The Sequ is "wider" than the Chevy Tahoe and Expedition, you say?
In your dreams. Maybe when you measure from those cheasy plastic Toyota wheel flares.
When you measure actual wheel to wheel distance, however, where it counts. . .
The fact that you purchased an Expedition in the past shows quite clearly what your mental capability is. There doesn't appear to be much for a curtain bag to protect.

brillmtb

And you thought I was too hard on you

joelis

Sequoia Expedition Tahoe
Wheelbase 118" 119" 116"
Length 204" 205" 198"
Width 78" 78.4" 78.9"
Height 74" 76.6" 74.4"
Weight(avg.) 5283lb 5264lb 5332lb
Cargo Cap. 128cu 118cu 108cu

I still don't understand how Seq can have more Cargo Capacity when its shorter, lower, and narrower than the Expedition.

thirdsuv

The width numbers in post #584 are REAR TRACK widths straight out of magazine reviews and sales lit. So it appears as though you're WRONG ONCE AGAIN. No matter how much you stamp your feet, hold your breath, or play with that stupid imaginery tiger, you can't change facts.

If you have different numbers, let's see them.

dianne4toyota

[quote]
Isn't the Chevy considered to be one of the safest vehicles on the road?

Yes when you consider how resistant to rollover it is when it is broken down in your driveway.[/quote]

thirdsuv

I still don't understand how Seq can have more Cargo Capacity when its shorter, lower, and narrower than the Expedition.

==============================
My guesses in order of probability

1)Creative verticle packaging of undercarriage
1A) Design/management complacency at GM/FORD
2)Creative seat folding/positioning
3)Thinner exterior body walls
4)Fudging the numbers

The GM cargo number is understandably lowest because you have to account for the GM mechanic riding in the backseat (this one's for you calvinhobbes)

cheers

phil62

Does everybody speak in code on the internet? I had to think about it for a minute. Does LMAO mean what I think it means, i.e., giggle, chortle or guffaw until interesting body component departs the chassis involuntarily?

calvinhobbes

Sounds like you leveraged yourself (you sound a little slow to have any serious money) to "buy" a $40k base model Sequ.
I can feel the pain in your voice.
If I was in your position, I'd be screaming and yelling too that it was the best damn thing you could have spent that $40k on.
Toyota, I'm sure, put those curtain airbags in your truck to insure that you are around to make next month's $1200 payment even if you happen to T-Bone someone on the way home from Billy-Bob's square dance party tonight.
Scrape together another $20 and you might even get yourself some seat warmers . . .
No wonder Toyota doesn't care about towing so much. Its customers can't afford anything to tow.

tbrown_4

Everyone, speaking as a long time lurker in this topic, can't you all see the similarity in the style of the posts? I'm about 99% sure that calvinhobbes is our old "buddy" yossarian! That explains a lot, doesn't it?

merlinti

Thank for your insight on this issue. Is anyone aware of any other differences between what is advertised as available options in the Toyota Brochure verses what are actually coming on the equipped vehicle. Not having heated seat in not a big issue in So. gal., but it is still bothersome when a company cannot match what is advertised in its company brochure.

By the way, a priced SR5 with the preferred, convenience and alloy wheel package it is approximately $2,500 less than a limited. The differences are minimal and hard to justify the additional $$as for the limited. However, when spending this amount of dough on a car what's another 2.5K???

unggul

I done with minivans. I am ready for a vehicle that I can tow a family of 6 and at the same time appealing enough to drive alone. I have only seen the Sequoia in brochures, I didn't like the 3rd row seats and lack of cargo space of the Expedition. How does Sequoia compares?

thirdsuv

Hey calv.., no comments about the wheel track?

As for the rest of your rantings,
if the intelligence level of your arguements drops any further, the only thing you'll probably have left to say is "Nanna, Nanna, BooBoo"

FWIW, the lack of facts and and slew of misinformation would definately support Tbrown's calv=yossi hypothesis.

cheers