Well...don't know if you've driven a Limited, but according to my experience, it does has less engine noise (inside). This is probably due to the inclusion of the hoodliner. This is why I would like to add that to my SR5....
Accordind to my dictionary Toyota is a synonym for penny-pincher! Toyota has always skimped on creaturec comfort items (I have continuously owned a Toyota since 1975 - 4 different vehicles - so I am not commenting without experience). Compare the vanity mirrors of any Toyota with a base model Ford/Chrysler/whatever for a good example of what I mean.
Toyota prices everything they sell to be a stripped bare-bones add-an-option to get what you want vehicle. Toyota excells at the basic task of providing dependable transportation. But Toyota has always fallen short in the bells and whistles department. With their track record for depenable tranportation they can and do get away with skimping on the extras.
To carry the Toyota miserly image further one only has to look at Lexus to confirm this. The GS430 comes fairly sripped!! Give me a break. To get leather or a good radio one must buy add-on options. Incredible that Lexus makes you pay extra for leather in a $55000+ car. I'd be interested in knowing just how many GS430 are sold "stripped" w/o leather?
Bobby1,Oac3,Thirdsuv-I have a Seq. Limited and it does not have a hoodliner. No insulation,or cover at all. Painted metal only. Are you sure Limiteds have hoodliners?
That's very interesting...When I test drove a Silver Limited here in Tx, it did have the hoodliner. The salesman told me all about it (fire protection etc). That's why I had assumed that it did have one....
Why not tell your side of the story about some of the "fun" customers that are out there? Come on, there must be a few good stories that might even involve some of the buyers that read these boards! Maybe we'll recognize some of them.
Most of the dealer vs. dealer posts have been deleted (a bit off-topic here). If you really want to praise or decry a dealer, search out the discussions dedicated to those subjects. If you are more interested in dealer stories (or customer stories), there's a bunch of interesting posts in dedicated message boards for them. For example:
btw, I couldn't really tell what it was, being as it was upside down and getting by it was dicey, but there was an SR5 (I assume it way a Toy; definitely a SUV<g>) flipped on the road to the ski resort this afternoon. My snap judgment is that the driver was going a bit too fast, hit an icy spot on a shaded curve and lost the backend (or perhaps hit a bump), and landed on the roof (mostly on the driver's side). No injuries, but y'all be careful out there.... Steve Host Vans, SUVs, and Aftermarket & Accessories message boards
Has anyone heard when we will be able to purchase the 2002 Sequoia. I have heard that Sequoia will offer more Horse power as an option. But I have not seen any specs, how much more horse power, or what size engine, I am not sure of either. Does anyone have info on either issue. Thanks
I have not heard anything about increased horsepower. I sincerely doubt it. Toyota never gets into "power wars" like the others. The 4Runner is a classic example. In a couple or three years I could see but not right away.
Keep a lot of the roof-yukk off the back window, and in snow/poor weather, circulates the air around the rear window so when you roll it down for some reason, the stuff doesn't fly INTO the car, but around it. Aerodynamics... wind...that sorta thing. I betcha Cliffy can make it sound a lot more technical. ;>
Thanks Dianne, I'll try. The theory of a spoiler is to keep your back window cleaner. Dust, salt and road debris passing under your vehicle get caught in a wind eddy behind the truck. This blows the dirt up and back against the rear window. By having the spoiler, air is directed from the roof into a shear down the back. This wind shear will prevent as much dirt from reaching the back window.
This is the theory. I'm not positive how well it works in reality. To me, it just looks better.
You know, that look, along with the hammered metal dash accents, is all the rage in Japan! And, do you know what's really interesting to me? The Highlander SUV we have out now... the regular, non-Limited models, have that same hammered-silvery dash look for trim too. Not one person's said a word in the negative sense about it... not one! Their limited have a dark wood-trim look. Amazing to me that we're so "ohmygawdit'ssoawful" on Sequoia but it's all over Highlander models! And, no problem with style or decor.
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My wife and I shopped all around Atlanta and found only Stone Mountain Toyota to come close to Tuscaloosa Toyota's pricing. But not close enough. We live near Atlanta and are sitting around reading this board waiting on our Sequoia to show up. They are actually driving it to us.
The price is invoice + 300 + 120 doc fees + 250 delivery fee ( because we are too lazy to drive to Alabama ). Total price invoice + $670 delivered to our door.
So far our experience with Tuscaloosa has been awesome. I'll post a conclusive message tomorrow as I'm sure we'll be driving around all night in our new SUB.
Thanks for everyone's help.
Thirdsuv, I do appreciate all comments as I too was leery of this deal. I went to Stone Mountain Toyota who would not match this deal and told me I should go buy the truck in Tuscaloosa.
Wow! Thats the best price i have seen so far. $300 over invoice? or $670 and delivered? Thats really great! You're not the owner's son are you? You did great. Tell us more.
I'm ready to buy the Toyota Sequoia Limited. Any Dealers Lurking? Needs to be within some driving distance of Surburban Philadelphia, and of course, I'm not interested in paying msrp, ) tia, rkoenig@voicenet.com
I have had my SR5 since early December and wondering if anyone has had the following 2 problems? 1. Front brakes: when letting of the brakes from a standstill, there is a slight crunching sound. Dealer said this is normal! This is my 4th Toy and never experienced it. The sound is similar to the skid control/ABS activating. 2. Rear window: on at least 3 occasions, the rear window goes down by itself when I'm not there. I keep hoping that I am accidentally hitting the "window down" button on my remote. Dealer could not find a problem. Thanks
Northernxl ... I, too, have heard rumors (just rumors, no facts) on the Sequoia having more HP for 2002. A lot of reviewers mentioned that the Sequoia, for a full-sized SUV, needed a little more giddy-up. Any Toyota dealer with any truthful inside information? My wife and I were seriously looking at the Sequoia and Tahoe/Yukon, but we put everything on hold when we found out they might be adding more HP to the Sequoia and possibly fine-tuning the interior of the Tahoe/Yukon. We're going to wait to see what 2002 yields. I think if Toyota doesn't add more HP or towing capacity then we're going to go the way of the Tahoe 4WD LT. It is such a tough decision. By the way, the lowest price for a Sequoia 4WD Limited I've been able to find is $39,500. All it had was the CD changer and car mats, no sunroof or added extras. I believe the invoice on that was $38,000.
So the SEQ produces 240hp @ 4800rpm, but more importantly, the iForce V8 engine produces the real giidy-up needed for this vehicle - a 315Ib-ft of torque, and at low rpm too (@3400rpm)... So while people can speculate the 2002 version, you should not lose sight of what is more important to pull 5,000-Ib of steel; the TORQUE.
I have had the same thing happen to me, regarding back window. Once, when parked in an airport garage, leaving for 3 days (nothing stolen, though). I believe that the button on the key ring can easily be pushed, sending the window down just as you walk away - horrible design. I've had my Sequoia Limited since Nov 22. Great vehicle - but there are three ridiculous shortcomings - the rear window control design; the lack of rear seat audio controls; and the cheap Toyota electric radio antenna that bangs against everything overhead in a garage. Otherwise it's just the best SUV I've ever owned.
I get a static electric "pop" (very, very loud) every once in a while when I turn the car off with the radio on...anybody got any ideas on that problem before I bring it in for service?
Oac3, a point well taken, if you're buying base model Tahoes and Yukons. However, on most Tahoes and Yukons, which are equipped on their LT/LS or SLT models, they come with the 5.3 liter engine and not the smaller 4.8. Most people opt for the fully loaded Tahoes and Yukons, which come with the standard 5.3 engine. Here are the specs on that comparison -
Tahoe and Yukon - 5.3 liter, V8, with 285 HP, 325 lb-ft of torque, and 8,700 lb. towing Sequoia - 4.7 liter, V8, with 240 HP, 315 lb-ft of torque, and 6,500 lb. towing
I didn't include the Expedition because they're a dime a dozen and I'm not interested in it. The Tahoe/Yukon and Sequoia are such better trucks.
I think that if Toyota added more HP and increased towing capacity to the Sequoia equation then the debate would be a no-brainer. But I think when you're competing in the full-sized SUV market, you need to weigh (no pun intended) all the facts and figures.
I still think that it's a great truck but it is something to consider.
joerafferty: i do agree with some of your points, esp wrt the Expy... these are indeed "a dime a dozen" these days. How Ford gets by selling these things beats me... but, that is in another forum.
What you are missing is this, imo: Toyota, like most SUV makers, have realised that SUV's mean different things to different pepople. Those who buy the LX470 have very little, if any, need to tow or even off-road. You don't pay $60K+ for an SUV so that you can tow your bike, or your boat, or your economobile....The Sequoia fits in somewhere in this equation. If you want to tow, it can tow up to 6500Ib, but that is NOT the true intention of this vehicle. it is a luxo-full-size SUV, hence priced in the mid-30 to mid-40K range. How many people do you suppose buy the loaded 4x4 Limited so that they can use it to tow their boats ? Not many... However, many buyers of this vehicle, I suspect, will have veru little need for towing, but may indeed have a lot of need for the added security of traction control, skid control, ABS and curtain shield airbags. These creature comforts are what the SEQ is designed to achieve, while providing adequate off-roading and towing capabilities, if you are inclined to want these features.
There is a small flyer put together by Toyota describing the demography of buyers of the Seq, Tahoe and Expy. It goes like this:
Expy: 42+ yrs; 2 kids; 89,000 household income Tahoe: 43+ yrs; 2 kids; 86,000 household income SEQ: 40+ yrs; 2-3 kids; 92,000 household income
Think Toyota knows something we don't know ?
So where does adding more HP fit in here ? Toyota may indeed add more ponies to this engine, but at what cost ? and for what purpose ?
If your goal is for more towing capabilities, that is where the Suburban or the Denali XL works best. If you want some luxo-comfort and real compliant ride which has been described as "best in class" (Truck Trend, Feb 2001), then the Sequoia is your best bet. OTOH, if you want some compromise on the above, with a lower cost model, then the Tahoe is your choice.
Waiting for 2002 for a possible increase in hp for the SEQ will most probably not happen. I suspect that Toyota will be working out some of the kinks in their debut vehicle... take your pick: ticking noise, vibration, heated seats ?, etc...
These are just my opinions....
bobby_1701: Pls note that your SR5 is pre-wired for fog lights. There are those who will recommend factory fog lights (cost=$154 ea; as on the Limited, although different part#'s). Others will recommend AM fog lights (cost=$215/pair)... For the latter, you may want to check www.performanceproducts.com
oac3: if I was to order the fog lights, are they difficult to install? Have you had any experience with them? In your opinion, which one is better, factory or AM lights? Thanks!
oac3, I disagree with your comment that the Sequoia is a luxury full size SUV. Full size, yes but it even in the Limited trim level it doesn't quite deserve luxury status. A fully loaded Limited is about $45,000. For $45,000 a luxury SUV should have wood trim instead of the ugly and cheap looking metal tone plastic trim. Overall I like the vehicle and think it has a great ride but it appears that Toyota likes to decontent their vehilces. They give you just enough of the extras but gee wouldn't it be nice if they could have included .....
I would guess that they chose the cheaper looking trim level apointments so that it would not totally canibalize the Landcruiser or the LX470. It's too bad because I really like it but the problem is I don't love it enough (yet) to buy one. Looks much better than a Yukon or Expedition. For the $45k you can get a whole lot of luxury vehicles out there but I don't think that the Sequoia is a luxury SUV, remember it is still a Toyota.
You need to drive it. For ride comparison purposes I feel that it smoother than the ML, JGCL, 4Runner and Explorer. It is a large vehicle built off a truck platform. While I feel the ride quality is very good and let's say almost as smooth as a car, its handling isn't. In other words I do not find it is fun to drive because it feels like I am driving a smooth riding U Haul truck. I do not know if there are any SUVs out there that give you a fun to drive feeling that some cars do. I would guess that maybe the BMW X5 does (haven't driven it yet) but I think it may be too small (cargo space).
donlino: Luxury features has to be in the eye of the beholder.... I do agree with you that Toyota had to thread carefully with the SEQ so that they do not totally lose the few annual sales of the TLC/LX470 line. That is why they skimped on a lot of items making them either optional, or not available on the Sequoia line. Most of these features are typically standard on their top-end LX470/TLC models...
mommyoter: I didn't say that NO one uses the Seq to tow, just that *many* won't (speculation)...
bobby_1701: see my answers to your questions:
Don't know; I never installed one before
Nope (same as above)
It is up to each individual. My dealer said one should NOT put AM fog lights on the SR5 bcos of the different part #'s with the Ltd version, but he may be thinking of his pocket and not mine (don't know). An AM installer figured he could do it and would be preferable bcos the wiring harness are all there from the factory, and it would make most sense not to re-wire the lights.
Maybe you'd like to wait for Toyota to make an SR5 fog lights ? I hear of others waiting to know of other people's experience on this installation before proceeding on theirs.
I agree with donlino on the luxury SUV aspect. Like I've said before, I think the Sequoia is a tad overpriced. Perhaps more so on the Limited than the SR5. I know, I know, every Toyota dealer on this message board is going to disagree and kill me. The Sequoia is a full-size SUV in the likes of the Tahoe, Yukon and Expedition. It is not a luxury SUV. There is just a few minor differences in between the Tahoe, Yukon and Sequoia. Believe me, I test drove all three and they're all great SUVs. There's pluses and minuses to each. However, the keys to consider are the price (Yukon and Tahoe are far more affordable and you get more for you $), quality (absolutely better warranty and quality with the Sequoia), and if you need it for serious camping or towing (the Yukon or Tahoe is your choice.) I just wish the Sequoia Limited was available for $37,000. That's what I believe it is worth. I'm not paying over $40,000 for it. I can't justify it in my head. In the long run I may settle for a SR5 and tack on some options. But what I don't understand is the luxury SUV aspect. The Sequoia Limited runs roughly over $42,000, probably more with all the options most dealers are adding. It's tough to find a base price Sequoia Limited. So, in the long run someone could pay $45,000+ for a Limited. That's insane when someone could really make out with, say, a Yukon Denali ($43,000+) or a beautiful, brand new 2002 Cadillac Escalade ($47,000+.) I don't have that kind of money but if I did it wouldn't even be close. Plus, the 2002 Escalade is getting rave reviews. Now that's a serious luxury SUV. You get real wood trim, leather, an 11-speaker sound system, AWD, 345 HP and lots more. And on the really insane side the Lexus LX470 and Range Rover are just way over the top. I'm not badmouthing the Sequoia. I like it. But I don't love it, mainly because of the price you're forced to pay.
Since may of the postings mention that this vehicle will be used primarily on the highway and not off-road, has anyone considered or have lowered their vehicle (no more than an inch)? This is a standard modification to cars (i.e. Lexus offers an after market lowering kit for the GS300-400). This would improve the handling and minimize any body lean. Is this out of the question for an SUB?
That is my conclusion after extensive testing over the last week. Think about it, Homelink, folding mirrors, power leather seats, dual climate control, rear power glass,and a 6-disc cd changer that sounds, uhmmm, okay. I would put it up against my mother's LX470 any day of the week. I've spent time in both cars and here is my observations of the main differences. The LX has wood, wood steering wheel, memory seats, and that's about it over the Seqoia. I actually like the Sequoia better for the following reasons, much bigger, especially second row room, cheaper, and less on the road than the Lex.
In March of '95, I bought a Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer for $33,000 (lux SUV?). I February of 2001 I bought a Limited Sequoia for $38,000. Any questions!?!
Having cleared up the Lux SUV debate in my last post, is there a decent after market wood trim product for the Limited yet? I don't want a glue on product, I'm thinking more along the lines of ripping out the dashboard and removing the space-boy metallic trim and replacing it with some nice walnut veneers, something understated but classy. It seems like it could be a pricey proposition but I think I'd spend up to $1000 (and others) for what I consider would be a huge upgrade. Toyota has got to do something for 2002, I damn near walked on this purchase because of the trim. I know, I know, I could have got an SR5. I had to have the homelink and the folding mirrors. Perhaps cliffy or dianne has heard something or could whisper into a custom company's ear.
Krisko, I finally got around to calling Toyota of Hollywood. $40,500 for a Sequoia Limited, no extras. Not bad. I spoke with Isiah ... very nice and honest. I want to go lower, though. By the way, Isiah informed me that you purchased a 4 x 2 for $38,500 and not a 4 x 4. BIG DIFFERENCE! $33,000 for a Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer 4 x 4 and $38,500 for a Toyota Sequoia Limited 4 x 2? Mmmmm ... living in NJ I would have to save myself $5,000 and opt for the 4WD of the Explorer. Plus, the 2002 Explorers are getting solid reviews. Ford's added a third row of seating. And, sorry, you can't convince that the Sequoia is a luxury SUV. Nope, not going to happen.
Does anyone know if there are custom fit seat covers for the Sequoia? I am particularly concerned because the front seats have the side airbags and they would be useless or perhaps even dangerous if a conventional seat cover was used. Ideally I would like to find covers that fit the second and third row seats properly to preserve their ablity to split and tumble. I don't want to get the leather seats dirty when I actually haul the kids to the lake with their sippy cups spewing apple juice all over the place (the Odyssey is meant for that)
I have been deliberating on a choice between Sequoia or minivan for months. One of the last remaining problems I have with choosing sequoia over a minivan is that it rides toooo high off the ground for family traveling-on-highway-only trips. (No off-roading). As a minivan driver for 10 years, I am comfy with the roominess and handling of the lower-to-the-ground clearance of minivans, but after test driving the Sequoia, and all the other large SUVs, I actually don't feel safe anymore in my minivan when thinking about crash zones and impact protection. I would like to trade up to more safety for the tank-like crash protection the Sequoia offers.
If I do purchase an SUV, I've already shopped and decided on Sequoia, because of the extra leg room the 3rd row seating offers. I really do love everything about it, and I actually also do like riding higher than most other vehicles on the road. But the Sequoia, being one of the highest riding large SUVs, is a little too high for me, and I feel like I am going to tip over on turns (SUV rollover fear). Lowering the sequoia just might help eliminate that fear. I didn't know it could be done without interfereing with all the skid control and other drive mechanisms.
PLEASE tell me more about lowering the vehicle. Is it really possible? How? and Who would do it?
Does anyone know of any Toyota dealers in New Jersey giving reasonable deals on Sequoias? On our brief trip to one dealer we saw a Limited sticker at 45,000 and an SR5 sticker at 43,000 !!! ? Please let us know where they are selling in the 30's. We don't need it loaded. Never use half of the extras anyway! Thanks!
I was just at the Chicago Auto Show and checked out all the SUVs. The 2002 Escalade--The steering wheel is that ugly four spoke design in the Yukon. The rectangular dash looks like it was designed in the '70s. For fun, try navigating the narrow opening of the second door to get into the third row seat--I bet that'll be even more fun when there's slush/dirt on the wheel well. If your definition of luxury is paying $2K more than a Sequoia for the above...
Regarding the new Explorer, it's definitely roomier than the '95 I had before the Sequoia. But try getting into the third row--the second row seat bottoms have these huge protruding legs. The interior fit and finish is worse than my 95. The squared-off "new edge" styling already looks dated IMO. And recheck your price estimate--the Eddie Bauer on the floor was $38K--with only a V6!!
We have a Camry and receintly purchased the Sequioa to replace our Ford Bronco. I never liked to drive the Bronco due to the handeling. When I test drove the Sequoia I felt as thought I was driving the Camry just up a little higher. The only thing that I had to adjust to is the turn radius.
The Camry was my car and Hubby drove the Bronco. Hubby now drives the Camry and I have a beautiful new Sequioa!
I have a couple of questions: first, why is a woodgrain dash some how a prerequisite for a 'luxury' SUV? Woodgrain dash (and on the door panels) is standard on the Hyundai Sonata, a $16k sedan. Does that make it a 'luxury' sedan? I can remember the full-boat 'woodgrain' side panels on the Cryco minivans. Does that make them 'luxury' vans?
Luxury is the quietness of the cabin, the comfort of the seats, the quality of the switchgear. Luxury is not having to deal with misc. rattles in the doors and interior trim pieces falling off at 50,000 miles. Luxury is ease of entry and exit, smooth delivery of power, and ample room for people AND luggage. If you feel the need for alot of little gadgets to play with or plastic woodgrain appliques on the dash, then your idea of 'luxury' is different from mine.
Second: why spend extra money for a leather interior, and THEN spend extra money for seat covers to protect the interior? Why not simply get the standard cloth interior in the first place?
I bought a Toyota Sequoia two weeks ago. I found a terrible flaw and I want to know if some other Toyota Sequoia owners have the same problem. The problem happens when you are cruising at 45 to 75 mph. If you have your windows closed and open only one rear window the whole vehicle starts to shake and the wind creates a loud helicopter noise. It is totally terrible and totally unacceptable. If you are a Toyota Sequoia owner please try opening one rear window while in the highway and cruising. I like to find out if this happens only in my Sequoia or on all of them. Thanks.
I moved your message over here from the newly created topic since it will get more exposure in here.
The effect you experienced is called wind buffering and it affects many vehicles, especially those that are tightly sealed. What happens is that the air rushing into the vehicle has no where to go, and hence it creates loud noises and what seem like pressure waves. Think of it like blowing across the top of an open bottle. You get that resonance in the bottle, which is in effect just a miniaturised version of what you're experiencing.
Now, how do you fix it? Don't open the window at highway speeds! This reduces aerodynamic efficiency and hence fuel economy since the vehicle is not as streamlined with an open window. If you absolutely must have the window open, then open another window as well so that the air has somewhere to go (it's best to crack open the two windows by a couple of inches). You'll have to play around with the different window open combinations since all vehicles are built differently. This is what those window deflectors are for, BTW. I'm not sure if there are any available for the Sequoia just yet.
If you have the moonroof open at highway speeds, you'll also get the same resonance. The fix again, is to crack open both rear windows by a couple of inches, or get a moonroof deflector, which will deflect most of the air over the retracted moonroof.
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I have been anticipating the purchase of a Sequoia for quite a while and hoping the price would come down. Currently I am at about 40k for a fully loaded SR5 4wd. However, a friend of mine just purchased a 2001 fully loaded ( except sunroof)4wd LT Tahoe for $ 32,200 from Huling bros. in Seattle. ( A Suburban was 34,200). Don't get me wrong, IMO the Sequoia wins over the Tahoe hands down, but at a 8k price difference? Members help me out. Thanks Bob H
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Toyota prices everything they sell to be a stripped bare-bones add-an-option to get what you want vehicle. Toyota excells at the basic task of providing dependable transportation. But Toyota has always fallen short in the bells and whistles department. With their track record for depenable tranportation they can and do get away with skimping on the extras.
To carry the Toyota miserly image further one only has to look at Lexus to confirm this. The GS430 comes fairly sripped!! Give me a break. To get leather or a good radio one must buy add-on options. Incredible that Lexus makes you pay extra for leather in a $55000+ car. I'd be interested in knowing just how many GS430 are sold "stripped" w/o leather?
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btw, I couldn't really tell what it was, being as it was upside down and getting by it was dicey, but there was an SR5 (I assume it way a Toy; definitely a SUV<g>) flipped on the road to the ski resort this afternoon. My snap judgment is that the driver was going a bit too fast, hit an icy spot on a shaded curve and lost the backend (or perhaps hit a bump), and landed on the roof (mostly on the driver's side). No injuries, but y'all be careful out there....
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This is the theory. I'm not positive how well it works in reality. To me, it just looks better.
I knew he could.
You know, that look, along with the hammered metal dash accents, is all the rage in Japan! And, do you know what's really interesting to me? The Highlander SUV we have out now... the regular, non-Limited models, have that same hammered-silvery dash look for trim too. Not one person's said a word in the negative sense about it... not one! Their limited have a dark wood-trim look. Amazing to me that we're so "ohmygawdit'ssoawful" on Sequoia but it's all over Highlander models! And, no problem with style or decor.
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My wife and I shopped all around Atlanta and found only Stone Mountain Toyota to come close to Tuscaloosa Toyota's pricing. But not close enough. We live near Atlanta and are sitting around reading this board waiting on our Sequoia to show up. They are actually driving it to us.
The price is invoice + 300 + 120 doc fees + 250 delivery fee ( because we are too lazy to drive to Alabama ). Total price invoice + $670 delivered to our door.
So far our experience with Tuscaloosa has been awesome. I'll post a conclusive message tomorrow as I'm sure we'll be driving around all night in our new SUB.
Thanks for everyone's help.
Thirdsuv, I do appreciate all comments as I too was leery of this deal. I went to Stone Mountain Toyota who would not match this deal and told me I should go buy the truck in Tuscaloosa.
Thanks again.....
What did you get? Sounds like an awesome deal...
Any Dealers Lurking?
Needs to be within some driving distance of Surburban Philadelphia,
and of course, I'm not interested in paying msrp,
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1. Front brakes: when letting of the brakes from a standstill, there is a slight crunching sound. Dealer said this is normal! This is my 4th Toy and never experienced it. The sound is similar to the skid control/ABS activating.
2. Rear window: on at least 3 occasions, the rear window goes down by itself when I'm not there. I keep hoping that I am accidentally hitting the "window down" button on my remote. Dealer could not find a problem.
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Any Toyota dealer with any truthful inside information?
My wife and I were seriously looking at the Sequoia and Tahoe/Yukon, but we put everything on hold when we found out they might be adding more HP to the Sequoia and possibly fine-tuning the interior of the Tahoe/Yukon.
We're going to wait to see what 2002 yields. I think if Toyota doesn't add more HP or towing capacity then we're going to go the way of the Tahoe 4WD LT.
It is such a tough decision.
By the way, the lowest price for a Sequoia 4WD Limited I've been able to find is $39,500. All it had was the CD changer and car mats, no sunroof or added extras. I believe the invoice on that was $38,000.
A cursory review of the competition shows these:
Tahoe: 275hp (@5,200rpm); 295 Ib-ft (@4,000 rpm)
Expedition XLT: 232hp (@5,200rpm); 291 Ib-ft (@3,450rpm)
Sequoia: 240hp (@4,800rpm); 315 Ib-ft (@3,400rpm)
So who has the giddy-up ?
Most people opt for the fully loaded Tahoes and Yukons, which come with the standard 5.3 engine.
Here are the specs on that comparison -
Tahoe and Yukon - 5.3 liter, V8, with 285 HP, 325 lb-ft of torque, and 8,700 lb. towing
Sequoia - 4.7 liter, V8, with 240 HP, 315 lb-ft of torque, and 6,500 lb. towing
I didn't include the Expedition because they're a dime a dozen and I'm not interested in it. The Tahoe/Yukon and Sequoia are such better trucks.
I think that if Toyota added more HP and increased towing capacity to the Sequoia equation then the debate would be a no-brainer. But I think when you're competing in the full-sized SUV market, you need to weigh (no pun intended) all the facts and figures.
I still think that it's a great truck but it is something to consider.
What you are missing is this, imo: Toyota, like most SUV makers, have realised that SUV's mean different things to different pepople. Those who buy the LX470 have very little, if any, need to tow or even off-road. You don't pay $60K+ for an SUV so that you can tow your bike, or your boat, or your economobile....The Sequoia fits in somewhere in this equation. If you want to tow, it can tow up to 6500Ib, but that is NOT the true intention of this vehicle. it is a luxo-full-size SUV, hence priced in the mid-30 to mid-40K range. How many people do you suppose buy the loaded 4x4 Limited so that they can use it to tow their boats ? Not many... However, many buyers of this vehicle, I suspect, will have veru little need for towing, but may indeed have a lot of need for the added security of traction control, skid control, ABS and curtain shield airbags. These creature comforts are what the SEQ is designed to achieve, while providing adequate off-roading and towing capabilities, if you are inclined to want these features.
There is a small flyer put together by Toyota describing the demography of buyers of the Seq, Tahoe and Expy. It goes like this:
Expy: 42+ yrs; 2 kids; 89,000 household income
Tahoe: 43+ yrs; 2 kids; 86,000 household income
SEQ: 40+ yrs; 2-3 kids; 92,000 household income
Think Toyota knows something we don't know ?
So where does adding more HP fit in here ? Toyota may indeed add more ponies to this engine, but at what cost ? and for what purpose ?
If your goal is for more towing capabilities, that is where the Suburban or the Denali XL works best. If you want some luxo-comfort and real compliant ride which has been described as "best in class" (Truck Trend, Feb 2001), then the Sequoia is your best bet. OTOH, if you want some compromise on the above, with a lower cost model, then the Tahoe is your choice.
Waiting for 2002 for a possible increase in hp for the SEQ will most probably not happen. I suspect that Toyota will be working out some of the kinks in their debut vehicle... take your pick: ticking noise, vibration, heated seats ?, etc...
These are just my opinions....
bobby_1701: Pls note that your SR5 is pre-wired for fog lights. There are those who will recommend factory fog lights (cost=$154 ea; as on the Limited, although different part#'s). Others will recommend AM fog lights (cost=$215/pair)... For the latter, you may want to check www.performanceproducts.com
Good luck
I would guess that they chose the cheaper looking trim level apointments so that it would not totally canibalize the Landcruiser or the LX470. It's too bad because I really like it but the problem is I don't love it enough (yet) to buy one. Looks much better than a Yukon or Expedition. For the $45k you can get a whole lot of luxury vehicles out there but I don't think that the Sequoia is a luxury SUV, remember it is still a Toyota.
Does it ride like a truck?
I am use to a car-like ride. I have riden in a Surburan and it rides like it was built on a truck chassis, no matter what they claim.
U Haul truck. I do not know if there are any SUVs out there that give you a fun to drive feeling that some cars do. I would guess that maybe the BMW X5 does (haven't driven it yet) but I think it may be too small (cargo space).
mommyoter: I didn't say that NO one uses the Seq to tow, just that *many* won't (speculation)...
bobby_1701: see my answers to your questions:
Don't know; I never installed one before
Nope (same as above)
It is up to each individual. My dealer said one should NOT put AM fog lights on the SR5 bcos of the different part #'s with the Ltd version, but he may be thinking of his pocket and not mine (don't know). An AM installer figured he could do it and would be preferable bcos the wiring harness are all there from the factory, and it would make most sense not to re-wire the lights.
Maybe you'd like to wait for Toyota to make an SR5 fog lights ? I hear of others waiting to know of other people's experience on this installation before proceeding on theirs.
Sorry I can't be more helpful than this...
The Sequoia is a full-size SUV in the likes of the Tahoe, Yukon and Expedition. It is not a luxury SUV.
There is just a few minor differences in between the Tahoe, Yukon and Sequoia. Believe me, I test drove all three and they're all great SUVs. There's pluses and minuses to each.
However, the keys to consider are the price (Yukon and Tahoe are far more affordable and you get more for you $), quality (absolutely better warranty and quality with the Sequoia), and if you need it for serious camping or towing (the Yukon or Tahoe is your choice.)
I just wish the Sequoia Limited was available for $37,000. That's what I believe it is worth. I'm not paying over $40,000 for it. I can't justify it in my head. In the long run I may settle for a SR5 and tack on some options.
But what I don't understand is the luxury SUV aspect. The Sequoia Limited runs roughly over $42,000, probably more with all the options most dealers are adding. It's tough to find a base price Sequoia Limited.
So, in the long run someone could pay $45,000+ for a Limited. That's insane when someone could really make out with, say, a Yukon Denali ($43,000+) or a beautiful, brand new 2002 Cadillac Escalade ($47,000+.)
I don't have that kind of money but if I did it wouldn't even be close.
Plus, the 2002 Escalade is getting rave reviews. Now that's a serious luxury SUV. You get real wood trim, leather, an 11-speaker sound system, AWD, 345 HP and lots more.
And on the really insane side the Lexus LX470 and Range Rover are just way over the top.
I'm not badmouthing the Sequoia. I like it. But I don't love it, mainly because of the price you're forced to pay.
In March of '95, I bought a Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer for $33,000 (lux SUV?). I February of 2001 I bought a Limited Sequoia for $38,000. Any questions!?!
By the way, Isiah informed me that you purchased a 4 x 2 for $38,500 and not a 4 x 4. BIG DIFFERENCE!
$33,000 for a Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer 4 x 4 and $38,500 for a Toyota Sequoia Limited 4 x 2?
Mmmmm ... living in NJ I would have to save myself $5,000 and opt for the 4WD of the Explorer.
Plus, the 2002 Explorers are getting solid reviews. Ford's added a third row of seating.
And, sorry, you can't convince that the Sequoia is a luxury SUV. Nope, not going to happen.
It didn't take long for my infant to understand the very basic idea that the car was "water or nothing".
If I do purchase an SUV, I've already shopped and decided on Sequoia, because of the extra leg room the 3rd row seating offers. I really do love everything about it, and I actually also do like riding higher than most other vehicles on the road. But the Sequoia, being one of the highest riding large SUVs, is a little too high for me, and I feel like I am going to tip over on turns (SUV rollover fear). Lowering the sequoia just might help eliminate that fear. I didn't know it could be done without interfereing with all the skid control and other drive mechanisms.
PLEASE tell me more about lowering the vehicle. Is it really possible? How? and Who would do it?
Regarding the new Explorer, it's definitely roomier than the '95 I had before the Sequoia. But try getting into the third row--the second row seat bottoms have these huge protruding legs. The interior fit and finish is worse than my 95. The squared-off "new edge" styling already looks dated IMO. And recheck your price estimate--the Eddie Bauer on the floor was $38K--with only a V6!!
We have a Camry and receintly purchased the Sequioa to replace our Ford Bronco. I never liked to drive the Bronco due to the handeling. When I test drove the Sequoia I felt as thought I was driving the Camry just up a little higher. The only thing that I had to adjust to is the turn radius.
The Camry was my car and Hubby drove the Bronco. Hubby now drives the Camry and I have a beautiful new Sequioa!
I have a couple of questions: first, why is a woodgrain dash some how a prerequisite for a 'luxury' SUV? Woodgrain dash (and on the door panels) is standard on the Hyundai Sonata, a $16k sedan. Does that make it a 'luxury' sedan? I can remember the full-boat 'woodgrain' side panels on the Cryco minivans. Does that make them 'luxury' vans?
Luxury is the quietness of the cabin, the comfort of the seats, the quality of the switchgear. Luxury is not having to deal with misc. rattles in the doors and interior trim pieces falling off at 50,000 miles. Luxury is ease of entry and exit, smooth delivery of power, and ample room for people AND luggage. If you feel the need for alot of little gadgets to play with or plastic woodgrain appliques on the dash, then your idea of 'luxury' is different from mine.
Second: why spend extra money for a leather interior, and THEN spend extra money for seat covers to protect the interior? Why not simply get the standard cloth interior in the first place?
The effect you experienced is called wind buffering and it affects many vehicles, especially those that are tightly sealed. What happens is that the air rushing into the vehicle has no where to go, and hence it creates loud noises and what seem like pressure waves. Think of it like blowing across the top of an open bottle. You get that resonance in the bottle, which is in effect just a miniaturised version of what you're experiencing.
Now, how do you fix it? Don't open the window at highway speeds! This reduces aerodynamic efficiency and hence fuel economy since the vehicle is not as streamlined with an open window. If you absolutely must have the window open, then open another window as well so that the air has somewhere to go (it's best to crack open the two windows by a couple of inches). You'll have to play around with the different window open combinations since all vehicles are built differently. This is what those window deflectors are for, BTW. I'm not sure if there are any available for the Sequoia just yet.
If you have the moonroof open at highway speeds, you'll also get the same resonance. The fix again, is to crack open both rear windows by a couple of inches, or get a moonroof deflector, which will deflect most of the air over the retracted moonroof.
Good luck!
Drew
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