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Heatwave3 I apologize for remarks made in haste against you as it is hard to tell who is answering who in this board. It just happened that your remark followed mine and I made a quick assumption.
Lets all just all drop the debate and try to help those solve their problems with their current vehicles instead of putting down other peoples rides.
Can't we all just get along?
I pointed out this potential shut-off valve problem to the manager at Bill Page and he agreed to check to see if my AC has similar problem next Monday. I do hope the this is it because I've spent so much time dealing with people who kept on insisting that my AC is working and that the AC system designed for the Sequoia is inadequate. Really, two people at the dealer told me that the design is bad.
It is mind boggling that the service department keeps insisting everything is o.k. and that Toyota has not had similar problem when in fact they observed first hand that my AC was putting out 62-65 deg. air on max cooling at 86 deg. outside temperature.
I'd be so happy to get this AC issue resolved. As someone suggested, I would consider suing under lemon law if I keep getting the run-around and not getting the AC problem fixed.
The lesson I've learned is that you can't expect much from the dealer and/or from Toyota, even if you've spent $40k on a Toyota truck.
Maybe I'll be less critical after the AC problem is fixed, but for now it's hard to know that the truck that you paid good money for has a problem that has not been acknowledged by Toyota.
Thanks in advance.
To me you're just a know-it-all GM driving joe-blow who is getting on my nerves. In my opinion, anybody that has spent 25K$+ on a GM product is someone not to listen to. If you're looking for lovin approval of your GM babble, go chat it up with your brothers-in-arms who also bought such fine GM products like the Aztec.
flamethrower ever at the ready,
cheers
I haven't followed your problem since my AC feezes my keester off but I do have a question
so I'll know for the future.
Is there a written specification for the SEQ on what is acceptable cooling output at different ambient temperatures? Does your vehicle meet that spec?
You might recall that all of this got started when an unassuming lady posted a comparison question between the Sequoia and the Tahoe, since she is presently in the market for such a vehicle.
Interestingly, she has never posted again, and I can't help but wonder if she was turned off by all of the backlash and negative comments that have been levied against the person who brought up a few points about where the Tahoe may actually have a competitive edge vs. the Sequoia. Do you actually believe that the Sequoia is absolutely superior in EVERY aspect of a FS SUV to everything else on the market?
Just got back from a 2000 mile roadtrip with the family (wife, 3 yo, 8 mo). Got 18.3 mpg averaging 75-80 mph. The seq was a much nicer ride than my old 88 4 rnnr or our Honda civic!
robh3,
"Do you actually believe that the Sequoia is absolutely superior in EVERY aspect of a FS SUV to everything else on the market?"
Of course not. But I'll say it is superior overall to anything to anything with three row of seats except maybe TLC/RX470 which of course are just it's dressed up parents. And of course the young kid has some qualities that even the parents don't posses. Of course at the same time you're not going to see me go through all the other SUV forums and try to prove my point.
As for the "chip", I'm not the one cruising other car forums. If someone stokes the flames, they shouldn't complain when it gets hot. I'm just letting him know that I'm more then willing to bring my flamethower.
As for "cruising other car forums", what does that mean, really? Noone "owns" this or any Edmunds TownHall topic by virtue of the car he/she presently drives or even intends to drive in the future. The good ol' USA itself makes the best analogy here: we are free to cross state boundaries at will, stop and visit, just pass on through, whatever, regardless of the state we call "home" and pay taxes in presently, and through our travels and conversations with others, we just might learn something that makes us better-informed people.
There is a distinction between a debater and a "flamethrower". I'll let you decide for yourself which one will be more beneficial to the masses in the long run.
BTW, why are you here? If I get on your nerves by simply sharing data from various sites on the web in an effort to respond to someone's question posted here, you have several alternatives. Respond with your own data or opinions, change the screen with the click of a mouse or flame away.
The last alternative is the least productive, the first is the mature way to engage in a discussion which is the primary purpose of these forums. The second sounds like it might be the best way for you to avoid the need for further medication.
Seems strange that a guy that seems to think all domestic vehicles are not worthy of being on the road happens to drive a Ford. Or is it just GM that offends you?
Let's focus on the vehicles and their uses, strengths and weaknesses and less on each other and I think folks will find the dialogue alot more valuable.
I flipped through the manual but could not find any specification on the AC.
I wonder if Toyota cars and trucks would cost more if customer service were better. I also wonder why a service department would treat a customer as if he were born yesterday. Anyone in the business care to answer?
Don't get me wrong, I am still very satisfy with the customer service from the saleslady who sold me the car at Bill Page. It's the service department that makes me wonder.
Concerning your AC problem. You need to harass the dealers as much as you can until the problem is fixed even if they have to replace every component in the system at their cost. The rest of us seem to have air conditioners that work extremely well, so there is no excuse for them to give up on you. If the dealer is resistent to helping you write letters to the better business bureau and your state attorneys office, and Toyota USA headquarters concerning your problem with facts collected, both here and by yourself, stating that the dealer is operating in bad faith, and send copies of these letters to the dealer refusing to fix the problem. See if this makes them a little more helpful.
I flipped through the manual but could not find any specification on the AC.
I wonder if Toyota cars and trucks would cost more if customer service were better. I also wonder why a service department would treat a customer as if he were born yesterday. Anyone in the business care to answer?
Don't get me wrong, I am still very satisfy with the customer service from the saleslady who sold me the car at Bill Page. It's the service department that makes me wonder.
Are you talking about the full service manual? It seems very strange that the only criteria for AC performance is technician Fred saying "Seems cold enuff to me."
There's got to be an objective spec or you should be able to measure the ouput of a new SEQ and tell them you want it to work like that. When they say that yours is in the acceptable range of performance you then say "show me the spec".
OTOH, you might be on the very bad end of a very wide specification and then you're SOL.
As in forums and politics, there is a time for debate, and when that fails, a time for flamethrowing (literally).
As someone else said before in this forum, an append about payload may be interesting, the 10th append about its DIRE CONSEQUENCES !!!! is tiring.
Your crusing USA is a great support of my arguement.....if you come crusing into central NC pedaling you're ketchup-based barbecue junk you better expect a cool reception from the vinegar crowd. Normally when I go crusing, I find out I learn more by listening instead of yappin.
For the record: I dropped the payload issue some time ago, however IMO it was a topic worthy of a healthy discussion. (Who knows, maybe manufacturers are starting to manipulate their payload ratings to accomodate the new government rollover ratings. If you lower the GVWR, which automatically lowers the payload, it may give you a better government rollover calculation. However since the topic doesn't seem to warrant further discussion based on those that feel threatened by data, I guess we shouldn't explore it.)
It took those who were threated by a discussion about Sequoia's payload less than 4 posts over several days on the subject before the attack went against the poster instead of the data. Forums should be about light not heat.
If you don't mind, I'll be your wingman.
Fire when ready - heatwave.
thirdsuv finds a way to slam folks (and is proud of it) on this forum and others. The smart folks take his flaming into consideration when responding to or giving value to any of his opinions.
Steve
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Thank you for stepping in.
Has anyone else experienced this?
The only other one I know of was my in-laws next door neighbor who bought the Explorer last year and traded it in because he was getting 8 miles per gallon. Sorry to say he didn't buy a Sequoia this time either, could be he didn't know they existed.
My milage on the SEQ is quite a bit lower than yours. I've never exceeded 20 mpg. I'm generally around 18.5 mpg on the highway and more like 15.5 in the city.
Your point made in post #3437 about the reason for the lower maximum payload may indeed be correct. My suspicion is that lawyers got involved here. If a manufacturer were to be sued for a SUV flipover, they could present a defense that said the driver had exceeded the maximum payload for the vehicle, so the lower that number is the more useful it is in defending the company. Also any government rollover testing would likely be done with the maximum payload recommended by the manufacturer, so that lowering the payload number would give you better test results.
Peace.
Gil.
Also, does anyone have any thoughts or opinions about the payload of a Seqouia verses GM models, etc?
just kidding...
I couldn't find, or was too lazy, the beginning of your thread, but I assume your AC isn't pushing out very cold air. I don't know what you are blowing, but I imagine you should be getting at least 48 degrees. Anyway, I saw a similar problem elsewhere and georgeseq suggested the problem could be with the heater shut-off valve. The post was as follows:
"I checked my heater shut-off valve today and it is defective. i.e. when you turn on the A/C there is a valve on the firewall which shuts off the coolant going to the heat exhange for heat. Check your hose after the shut-off valve; if the hose is "hot" with the engine running, A/C on, you too could have a defective shut off valve.. The hose should be decidedly cooler than the hot side if the valve is working properly.. If the valve is leaking the A/C effectiveness is greatly reduced.."
I should also note that I believe the rear AC on the SEQ does not have a shut-off valve, probably just bad design. Anyway, because of this, the rear AC never gets at cold as the front.
Good luck, I hope this helps.
"...Sequoia, Toyota's mainstream full-size SUV for eight passengers, remains unchanged for 2002. Fog lamps and remote keyless entry are now available as stand-alone options on SR5 models. Sequoia SR5 base prices range from $31,265 for the 2WD to $34,795 for the 4WD. Limited model prices range from $39,405 for the 2WD model to $42,725 for the 4WD. Compared to 2001 models, Sequoia prices increase by only $150, or 0.4% on a comparably equipped basis.
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I have a 01 Seq SR5 that I ordered without the Convenience Pkg and thus did not come with the keyless remote. I didn't order it but I did get the glass breakage sensor and lo and behold the alarm system (it's armed by locking the door with my key).
I want to add the Toyota keyless entry to my rig, any idea on how to do it? I don't want to add an aftermarket set up on top of my existing alarm system.
Local dealer's parts and service managers are befuddled as to why I didn't get the remotes in the first place.
Any ideas?
jb
[I got your back, Steve! ]
1. Thanks Raybear.
2. Dog71, they're out now. Most dealerships have already received their first few 2002s. No color changes except the deletion of the brown. I haven't examined the new ones to tell you any subtle changes. I'm a bit stuck in the office for now.
3. What happened to civility.
As for towing, the 8000 pound towing capacity of the Yukon may be impressive but quite frankly you'd be stupid and in a dangerous situation to tow with that much weight. Again, specs vs. what is common sense. To tow that much you should be using a 3/4 ton or higher truck.
Toyota uses very conservative numbers for their specifications. Probably the legal department dictating that. Structurally I don't believe there is that much difference between a Sequoia and Yukon to justify 2000 lbs towing difference.
I think a previous post talked about how one SUV may be better than the other for different individuals. I agree. None are perfect. But the Sequoia is a gem. I have extensively driven all the rest but settled on the Sequoia. I've had it now for 9 months.
"Toyota uses very conservative numbers for their specifications. Probably the legal department dictating that. Structurally I don't believe there is that much difference between a Sequoia and Yukon to justify 2000 lbs towing difference."
You're the towing/hauling expert? I don't think anyone should exceed the manufacturer's recommended limits. No matter what you think. It would be foolish to do so. I'm sure you'll agree.
Also what is with the bold print? We are capable of reading without your need to do that.
May the Force be with you
I have a deal for $500 over invoice. I know I'll have to pay the $530 destination charge and the Southest toyota $550 "administrative" charge. But the dealership is trying to charge me a $399 administrative charge also. Since they are getting to keep the holdback of roughly $750 (2%) and I'm giving them $500 profit, that's a total of $1250, plenty in my mind. I told my salesman that I'm not paying the $399 fee. Anyone have any experience with this?
Next. Anyone heard of any wood trim that is not adhesive? The bad thing about the Limited is that the gray finish will show around the wood laminate and that would not look good. Has anyone asked the dealer to order the Limited with the dash trim of the SR5? Would it be possible?
Anyone want to give their opinion of thunder gray vs black. I'm in florida, but I just don't think the color paint will make a big difference in interior temperature. I'm more worried about every little ding and scratch being hard to hide on the black. My wife and I both like this color the best by far, but we are so practical that its killing us to think about the upkeep on a black vehicle.
Does anyone know the 2002 invoice pricing of the base 4x2 limited and the invoice pricing on the options? Its not available on the site here yet. My salesman told me that he does have the 2002 pricing yet, though he can order a vehicle with options and give me the whole invoice price, just not broken down.
Anyone from the SE feel that the Toyoguard package is worth the dealers cost? They try to charge about 600, but the cost is something like $100. My deal is $500 over invoice so I would get the various protectents at cost. Anyone have an opinion?
What about extended warranties? Can I get one later? How good a deal can I get?
Thanks for any help you can give. Wish me luck the order goes in just as soon as we decide on the color.
Bones
Also, any comments about how much above invoice would be a decent price on a Limited? Thanks for any feedback.
Steve
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On the metal tone dash, I installed a Wood View kit that covers the silver entirely. Makes a big difference in how the interior looks.
Does the wood trim completely cover everything? Even the little depression just forward of the switch for the windows on the side? Where did you get this kit? How much did you pay? I'm concerned about the fading issue also. We are really agnozing over the thunder gray vs black issue.
I saw a desert sand mica with limited logos on it in the back lot of a dealership. I'm thinking one of the salesmen purchased an SR5 and then put limited emblems on it. Am I right? My wife and I looked at it long and hard to try to figure out what we were missing, but this is the only explanation I could come up with.
Keep the opinions coming. I will probably order the Sequoia in the next week.
Anyone want to give me their experience with the administrative fee charged by the dealership?
Thanks for your help.
DPTBONES
The only fee I found to be uniform is the Toyota something fee of about $650 (I forget the exact amount), which is imposed by Toyota for this region. Other regions in the country pay less and some pay more. It's grossly murky and unfair, in my opinion.
I know this is my opinion, but asking for wood trim leads manufacturers to do the unthinkable -- fake wood trim.
K