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can anyone tell me what i should be on the lookout for? from the sound of it, seems like brakes, feul pumps, funny noises and window motors. does that about cover it?
i think i'm going to be sick now.
OK. it sounds like the 99's are garbage. Are owners of 2000's and 2001's JGC's reporting reliability problems? Or can we assume these are new enough that they just haven't started to have problems?
leo948 Jan 12, 2001 2:10pm
good luck
I've been shopping mid-size SUV's for the past 6 months. I'm in a position now financially where I can make my move, but the title of this topic fits my situation pretty well. I've driven the Tribute, Escape, Santa Fe, Pathfinder, Grand Cherokee, Rodeo, and Highlander. I was impressed with all of these vehicles to one degree or another, but without going into all the details about why, I've pretty much narrowed the field to the Pathfinder SE and Grand Cherokee Laredo. I'll admit right off that after driving both this weekend, I think like the Grand Cherokee better, but my practical side tells me to go with the Pathfinder. Pricing's not much of a factor if I decide to go w/the V8 GC. The 1.9% financing on the GC brings the payments right in line with the 3.9% on the PF. I feel the GC is a more comfortable vehicle for me, and I'm used to Chrysler products. The little things like the tilt steering wheel control, longer armrest console cover, no step bar to get my pant legs dirty, etc. fall in the GC column. However, the 1999 reliability problems of the GC scare the hell out of me, and the crash test results seem to favor the PF as well. Surprisingly, I thought the Grand Cherokee rode smoother and handled better, despite the solid axles front and back. I'm looking for comments from other Edmundites - do I go with what I think I want and hope the reliability has improved enough since the '99 debacle, or do I go with my practical side and sleep well at night with a Pathfinder in the garage?
I saw one, a '98 with 38K miles and it was in great shape, asking $21K. I like the idea of the 5.9 but after seeing the comments in Town Hall, I'm not so sure.
Happy Jeeping, Mark
Every other message in this forum starts off in a similar same way. It is not normal to have to replace the the drive train twice in most cars with under 30k miles.
Anyone ever hear the psychology term "rationalization"?
Changed front rotors at 7500 Km
city mileage : 13 m/g
Still solid as a rock
one minor glitch though : my headlights flickers uncontrollably in the morning, whether in auto or manual mode. Any reason?
no other problems ..touch wood
i hope this helps..
Mark
I almost bought a JGCL a couple of months ago, I had it ordered. As soon as I started reading this forum and looked at all the crash test ratings, I quickly canceled the order. Thanks, but no thanks.
To each his own...
Also, you have to realize that in forums like these, the unhappy customers a have tendency to overpower the happy customers which is normal. Happy customers, by nature, don't usually voice their opinions as loudly. So, the numbers can be skewed when you consider the volume of Jeeps sold.
what did you end up buying or are you still looking?
Mark
I admit I REALLY wanted to get the JGCL, I like the looks and interior features offered. But in the end, safety was my primary decision. I can't even believe for a supposedly "high-end" SUV that was just redesigned in '99 that you can't get side-airbags. Plus the IIHS off-set crash tests were another deciding factor.
If I was doing any "serious" off-roading or towing then the JGCL becomes a better choice. The V8 has some great torque and Quadra-drive is one of the best off-road systems around.
I saw your message about your 96 JGC having problems shifting into 3rd gear when it is cold. My 96 Jeep is experiencing the EXACT same problem. I took it in to our dealership today and they want to overhaul the transmission to the tune of $1400. We're going to get an estimate from another transmission shop but we're also thinking about dumping it and buying a new car. I'd be very interested to hear what you've learned about this problem.
it got to be the little things, like not having to remove the rear headrest on the jeep to fold down the seats--pain in the [non-permissible content removed]-- stuff like that.
but I chose it mainly because the dealer in the area has an impeccable reputation for dealing with customers. no matter what car you buy, you will have to deal with these people.
I have to belive that you can get a much better deal on the JGCL than the pathfinder. i live in Connecticut and bought the V6, F package, with leather, sunroof, heated seats, full spare, and infinity system for $27,100 plus tax and tags(dest. incl.). the pathy cant touch that. it seems that in this area at least, a lot of dealers are swapping the dealer and customer incentives. customer gets 2,000, dealer gets 4,000. when they switch you get the 4K they get the 2K. they make less per car, but they sell a ton more cars in the process. they don't sit on the lots that long, so they get all 3% on hold-back--pretty smart! they really are giving these things away, plus we have had a lot of snow up here, so people are really buying them up.
so see if you can swing a deal like that, it will make up your mind for you.
Mark
I thought I got the good deal, but after I read you post, it looks like I paid too much. Can you let me know what options you got and what kind of incentives (for example rebates) you got ? I just want to compare the price between two cars.
Thanks in advance.
I've owned 4 Jeeps over the years. Two Cherokees, two Grand Cherokees.
Five problems:
Windshield washer motors break, to the tune of $80+ a pop
Electric window problem
Stupid motorized antenna quit working
Rear seal leak, fixed on warranty
Rebuild for the rear-end in the current (1998) JGC, common problem if you read this forum, fixed on warranty
My current 1998 JGC I6 is an excellent vehicle. Last summer I moved up from a tent trailer to a 21 foot travel trailer. I tow the new trailer up and down the mountain passes here in Oregon with no trouble. Last August I pulled the trailer to over 7000 feet in the Steens Mountains of SE Oregon up steep, washboard gravel and dirt roads. My speed was limited by the washboard, not the car, although there was some loss of power as we gained altitude.
I need more torque though, for travel in the mountains at highway speeds. I want to move up to a V8, but I'll wait another year and see what happens with DC before I buy another Jeep. Given the good record of the Jeeps I've owned, I'm willing to take a chance if DC survives and attempts to correct the problems we read about in this forum. So to you folks buying the new ones, keep us informed.
Do not tilt the headrest first and then push the headrest down in to the seat. You will tear your leather.
So far so good with the vehicle. The transmission does hesitate when accelerating from about 5 mph periodically. Anyone else have this feature? (I6/2wd)
Bob
So I just picked up my very own 2001 JGCL Laredo 4x4 I6, tow package, cd/cass. I could not be happier with the vehicle.
I have a tough time believing the JGC is as bad as some are making it out to be. Let's face it, every car maker is gonna put out a "dud" unit every now and then (it's a fact of life). Before I bought, I checked into the Ford Expy & Explorer, the Lexus RX300, the Montero Sport, Tahoe, Xterra, Mercedes SUV, (get the point??) Anyway, if you visit any of those town hall meetings, you'll find people dumpin' on what they bought too. My soon-to-be ex-brother in law had a beautiful 98 limited v8 4x4. He complained about it all the time, but he was an idiot (would constantly stomp the brakes, then complain when he had problems with them).
Anyway, I'll be a "stand up guy" and I'll occasionally post a message (whether good or bad)and let the nay-sayers know whether they were wrong or right in my instance.
Well, with that...I'm outta here!!
Clearly there is a design flaw. My questions are below.
Please, since several people are more or less asking this same question, could someone take the time to respond?
1. What can I do about the problem (e.g., with the dealership or DC)? The Lemon Laws probably don't protect me, since there aren't other problems (knock on wood). But the brake warranty is 12,000 miles, so if the pulsation/undulation re-occurs, it's going to start costing me. What steps do I take?
2. Do SUVs, because they are heavy, get less life from rotors/brakes? Or is the dealer full of it?
3. At what mileage would one ordinarily expect to have rotors machined?
4. How much life did it take out of my rotors to have had them machined already?
The brakes are just part of a long list of problems with this lemon. The loud clunk when I put it in reverse is another. I also get some sort of thump in the rear end when I am sitting at a red light. Some times it will stall for no reason. I also get some sort of hum in the drive train area when I go over 50 mph.
I was told these are all common with a 4x4 Jeep and that I was driving a truck not a Lexus. They also told me if the hum really bothered me I should just turn up the radio. There should be a warning label on these things..CAUTION DRIVING THIS SUV WILL LEAD TO INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE AND STRESS...
This car was a lease and I still have 7 Payments on it,but I just threw in the towel. I bought a Toyota 4 Runner Limited on March 1st. I am really happy with the 4 Runner. There are no funny noises and it drives great.My Jeep will sit in my drive way for 7 months then I will just turn it in.
Consumer Reports Magazine Auto Issue just came out and said Jeep reliability has been among the worst they have seen.
I had many similar problems: loud clunk when shifting into reverse (dealer said this was normal), pulsating rotors when braking, the front tires feeling like they're oblong when turning corners in 4WD full-time (maybe a front differential problem, but dealer says this is normal), misc. creaks and rattles coming from the dash which the dealer couldn't duplicate (gee, surprise), and a weird thing with the transmission, where the rpm's would sometimes increase, like the tranny is about to downshift, but never does. Only during slight acceleration where it seems to be in between gears (i.e., when going up a very slight incline on a freeway).
Like I mentioned before, I'm glad I'll be turning this Jeep in in a couple of months. Problem is, I leased a '95 and had nothing bad to say about it.
And another thing, when I leased the '98, I asked my salesperson if he knew of any interior/exterior changes to the JGC for '99. You can guess what he said. This was in May of '98. If I'm not mistaken, the new ones rolled in around Aug. Shame on me for not researching, but I'll never recommend that dealership again. --Jimmy
just my .02
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My '91 Cherokee had the rotors recalled
My '96 Grand Cherokee had the rotors replaced once and they were in TERRIBLE shape when the lease was up (the entire vehicle shook uncontrollably)...I thought the re-designed '99 would be better (wrong!)
The '99 Grand Cherokee had rotors replaced twice, and then I had to call the 800 number at Chrysler for the 3rd repair....since I had never gotten the full 12,000 miles out of a single set of rotors, it was obviously a defect and should be covered under warranty! They agreed, but I realized that this was an ongoing problem and would be one of many in the months to come. The Jeep had to go, and I am thrilled to be rid of it! I don't buy the "driving habits" as a cause of rotor problems....I've never had a problem in another vehicle that I've owned...also don't buy the SUV theory...we had a 1989 4-runner that NEVER had brake problems in 135,000 miles. The only affordable way to own a Jeep (and to keep your blood pressure at safe levels) is to get rid of it before the warranty is over!
Earlier, I read an posting here there are some top quality aftermarket rotors , can anyone please let me have the link to that website or contact?
http://www.brembo.com
http://www.powerslot.com
for some consumer reviews of the above:
http://carreview.com/reviews/brakes/product_2344.shtml
for a short installation article:
http://www.gr8ride.com (search for 'powerslot')
if you'd like pricing (this is just one site i've found that carries the powerslots):
http://www.truckperformance.com
that's should be enough to keep you busy. i'll probably get the powerslots since they're bolt-in, cheaper (the brembo kit goes for ~$3k), and they actually use the bare brembo rotors for their products. i can't give you any 1st-hand experience with them but they seem like a great deal.
I spoke with Chyrsler while i was still at the dealer asked why this has happened, only
55K and i had it servised by a dealer like that owners manual says. The dealer called back and said the field rep. offered to pay for half the parts, iwould have to pay the other $732 while the
dealer would absorb the labor $400. Does anyone have any suggestions what i can do. I
plan to call chrysler on mon., the field rep. mentioned, there were no complaints on my
vin. number previously about this problem soooooo they will only do 50/50.I appreciate the
dealer working with me but chrysler should pay for all the CHEAP parts.
Thank you for any information.