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P.S. please mind the speeling i know its bad, but sorry
We're glad to hear you're okay! I think it makes good sense to slow down and fasten those seatbelts!
tidester
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Does anyone know if the 2002 Ford Escape changes being applied since Nov. 5 (shorter shift lever and more cushion in seats) known as either Job 1 or Job 2 also apply to 2002 Tributes? I know they are assembled in the same plant, but not sure if or when the same changes will occur for Tributes.
we put on Michelins, would not drive those wilderness tires, have always used Michelins. The product is Meguiar's HOT RIMS All-Wheel Cleaner, (pink) you spray on and hose off, works great. Try it.
I also hinted about the stalling problem...my salesman, who said he was fairly new, had never heard about it. He suggested we ask another salesman because, as he put it, "he always researches NHTSA". The 2nd salesman assured me there "had been a recall on it" as if to say everything is fine. I left there wondering if I'd missed something.
Later I went through NHTSA Mazda 2001 recalls. None of these fixes were directly attributed to stalling that I can see. I also went through about half of the incident reports on that board and although I KNOW there are a bazillion vehicles out there with no problems, I find I am becoming fearful. Reading the incident reports will do that to you. So here I sit, eaa membership all in order, my vehicle pretty well chosen, and I'm scared to buy. Current vehicle running great so that takes off any pressure-to-replace. I know salesman will call me in a few days....I'm going to tell him that his co-worker must be reading a different NHTSA than I am.
The dealers are telling me they are selling well and they don't need to discount them. They also mentioned supply problems, due to the fact that ford makes 4 escapes to every tribute made.
Good Luck on your seach. by the way I ordered a Tribute 3 weeks ago. I received $500 under MSRP that was the best I could do..
odyssey since after two floods and several
snowstorms, I feel I need a "heftier" vehicle
than my pretty darn faithful 97 Chevy Lumina.
First I looked at the Outback/Forrester, but
not enough ground clearance and the Outback is TOO EXPENSIVE in the V-6 models. I was thrilled when the Escape/Tribute came out and have been drooling since.
Now its getting down to the time to buy and I read
this board (and the "problems" board) a lot and
am having BIG second thoughts about the Escape/Trib. The stalling issue and other quality
problems are disconcerting (and I blame them
squarely on Ford - since the engine and components
are the main source of the quality problems). I saw the new CRV... its nice, but its Honda (bland)
and EVERYTHING including a stinkin' lousy roof
rack is OPTIONAL, and of course, no V-6 (though
the 4 is peppy, but noisy and I would hate to
try to pass a truck on I-81 in a CRV!). I am
now waiting for the Saturn VUE, but have heard
inklings that its AWD system isn't extremely
functional. The Trib is still my "heart" favorite, but I don't want to deal with a lemon
or a car that will have poor depreciation.....
now I hear Mazda is stopping side airbags (at
least for a while!), which is a minus, since
I want the side airbags in an SUV.... so what
am I do to? If I wait for the VUE, the few
Tribs left with side airbags will be off the
lots until who-knows-when and then what?!
Sorry to vent, but I am really in a quandry here.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
Http://members.aol.com/losttreasures26
Hope you have good luck with what-ever you do get.
Odie
Come up to some of the dealers up this way to purchase your car, there's an abundance of them up here. A Ford Dealer right on rt.322 east of Hershey has 4 escapes sitting on their lot (blue,red,silver,and white) I guess their trying to be patriotic. A Mazda / Jeep dealer just west of Lebanon on Rt.422 has 5 Trib's sitting on their lot. You can e-mail me at Odie6L @ aol.com if you want the names of the dealers.... I won't give names on here.
The real trick is to get the name of a dealer up here near Hershey / Harrisburg / Lebanon and tell the Dealer near you "While I was up in Hershey visiting relative's I stopped by (insert name here) and they have (insert # of vehicle here) and they offered me (Trade in amount here) , But if you want my buisness here (local dealer name) match it or beat it and have the car withing 1 week or I'm going to (farther dealer name here). I would rather purchase here since your closer to my home."
90% of the time they will match or beat the trade in price on a compairable maodel of the same car. I can usually get about another $1000 on my trade with that.
But seriously, there are plenty of Trib's / Escapes up in this area because we get snow sooner than the Philly area and they know people will buy sooner up here.
Odie
After that the battery light disappeared, however I encountered several incidents where I would come to a stop and the engine would lose power, with the idle loping to 250rpms. The vehicle would shudder and almost stall. I reported this to Mazda and they asked me to "look for a pattern" to help diagnose, but the symptom seems too damn intermittent.
On November 7, 2001 the battery light came on again. I immediately drove straight to the dealer as it felt like the alternator has stopped working (which it did).
They could not diagnose the problem and kept the vehicle in the shop for 3 weeks. I picked it up again on November 22nd and was assured that "the problem was fixed". The work order indicates that they replaced (in this order) alternator, PCM, wire harness, GEM, PCM (again), airbag module, alternator (yet again), EEC relay, instrument cluster and battery.
Sooo... I'm on my 4th alternator and 3rd PCM. I guess that I'm getting mileage out of the warranty, heh. The bad news is that I had a power drain/idle loping incident within days of picking the vehicle up, and several since that.
On Wednesday, Dec 12, 2001 I brought the vehicle back to Mazda. It checked out 100%... nobody can find the problem.
I've lost complete confidence in this vehicle and have approached Mazda for a replacement or refund. Mazda reassures me that this is what warranties are for.
I can honestly say that this has been the worst consumer experience of my life. I have owned three Mazda vehicles back-to-back (two previous B2600 trucks) and seriously doubt there will be a fourth.
More importantly I am very concerned that eventually I will encounter the stalling problem, or the alternator will fail again somewhere up in the mountains.
I am sorry to see that others have experienced similiar or worse problems.
I still believe that the Tribute is the best designed vehicle in it's class, and I have found it a joy to drive. However Mazda needs to address these serious power problems and work on the Tribute's reliability.
I'm hoping that Mazda will eventually stumble across the problem and we will all put this issue to rest... before somebody is seriously hurt as a result.
I'm also looking for others who have experienced these brief power drains while stopping the vehicle, notably with the DX 5 speed model.
I've noticed a few folks suggesting these problems are specific to older models of the Tribute that were manufactured in late 2000. While that may be true Mazda has never officially recognized this problem (to me anyways) and has never solved it to my knowledge. Having said this I would be surprised to see the problem fixed in newer models.
Regards,
Dino Nardini
dino@rivendell.ns.ca
My 02 Trib gas pedal does not work smoothly. The very first moment when I push the pedal, it does not go, so I have to push it a little harder and then I got hi RPM... kinda hard to keep the car in traffic. I went to the dealer, they cleaned it. It helped for a while, but I got the problem again next month. Went to the dealer. He told me he does not feel that gas pedal works not smoothly...
Please help!! My wife got RAV4 and gas pedal there works very soft. Does anyone else have same problem???
Rich
So the side airbag worked like as advertised..
Rich
The Escape has more TSB's and has had more recalls than the Mazda Tribute...As a dealer of both products we have been somewhat surprised how much better the Mazda has been than the Escape....Based upon our real world sales.
Rich
The rental car companies have provided us with a good supply of used units.
Rich
encounter some Tribs at an auto auction...
REPOs or whatever.... but seeing that one at
the HONDA DEALER really raised my eyebrows.
Somebody was dissatisfied and swapped it at
a great loss for a CRV! I'm sure!
Happy New Year!
but in reality it was traded in on a new Navigator because the Explorer wanst big enough for the consumer. They loved it and had no troubles, just not enough size.
Also, If somebody traded an escape/tribute for a CRV there is something wrong with the consumer. lol The CRV is second rate compared to these usits..
We later visited a local Mazda dealer and easily got a S plan quote on a ES vehicle coming in. I have managed to get X plan prices from the Ford Direct site but this is the first time I have gotten an actual dealer S plan quote. I want to add (for anyone who might be curious) that altho the Mazda is more costly than the Escape, the Mazda S plan was about 300 under invoice whereas Ford X plan hovers at invoice.
Called the 800 Mazda # this morning. Asked if Mazda will follow Ford on seat & shift lever changes. Man checked and found info on seat changes and cup holders...didn't find shift lever change. Also could not tell me when changes will start. Now, although I like the Trib a bit more than the Escape, I have learned Ford information is a lot easier to come by than Mazda's.
B.T.W. That misleading ad ran 3 days and it is telling me something about the demand for these Tribs that we were the first and only customers to bring it to their attention. The sales mgr was flabbergasted and very apologetic.
P.S. Husband is not likely to give up his 3/4 T, 4x4, H.D., 454 w/410 axle truck for a mini suv. But he has offered to pay for my upgrade from a 4x2 to a 4x4. The upgrade, not the vehicle!
Glad I'm in no hurry to get this vehicle. Another check at NHTSA site shows 2002 Mazda is ahead (!)of Ford on the "problem". And why do I still desire one of these vehicles? Like people have said, value, style, drive, etc. And I keep hearing "zoom zoom zoom" in my head along with caveat emptor.
Oh, and yes a dealer can deny S plan on some Trib models. That answers that.
Happy New Year all....
1. Any difference between the ride in a 4WD versus a 2WD? I've heard a 4WD gives a firmer ride.
2. Ditto for adding on the so-called "towing package". I'm never, ever going to use it (the dealer wants to sell me a tribute with one) and have also heard that these affect the ride.
Thanks!
Rich
my head says "CRV or Forester". I probably will
wait now until after winter and I get some
revelations about the 2003 Forester (like, does it have more ground clearance?). It doesn't
seem like it will be terribly snowy in my part
of the world this winter so I figure I can
get thru this winter OK. After
I see details about the 2003 Forester I will probably make a decision. I drove the CRV and in spite of the 4-cyl, it picks up nice in the lower range and is pretty quiet. Interior has more nooks for storage than the Trib, but overall the Trib "feels" larger and I like the interior of the Trib better (except for that shifter!). Best wishes on the decision.
But I am a bit suprised you had no remarks on my Mazda lack-of-information comments...can't ANYBODY say when seat changes will come through? Someone else on this board asked about that too.
Pat
I am sure I'll love my Escape but will have to have some padre exorcise "zoom zoom" in my head. And today's purchase saved me so much $$ for basically the same vehicle. Oh, drove a Trib yesterday and certainly noticed the difference in the Escape's short shift lever today..didn't drive my own car...it wasn't unpacked yet.
Rich
CRV is roomy enough though not as powerful
or attractive as the Escape/Tribute - I would
not call it a "different animal" though - the Forester IS a different animal and it was a tad small, yes. Yes, the Trib/Escape are "nicer", but I am seeing enough complaints to justify my concern.
tribulation (clever handle, by the way), you
should post to the NHTSA website under consumer
complaints.
jetmommy - I'm sure the blue trib I saw at the Honda dealer last week was a "trouble trade"! I'd be curious to see if other dealerships have "blacklisted" this car as had your Toyota dealer.
Happy Motoring!
Also, anyone purchase a new Tribute in the midwest lately. I'm in Des Moines, IA and would like to know what people are paying for a front wheel drive Tribute LX in this area.
Thanks.
Reg
Drove the tribute for the 2nd time yesterday. Some first impressions. It is EXTREMELY LOUD on the expressway, had to turn the radio up to baffle the noise. Plenty of interior room, adequate pickup, love the styling. Only time will tell on the quality. It is still a truck, If you are accustomed to driving a car you might be dissapointed.