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Nissan Sentra Spec V vs Honda Civic Si

james31278james31278 Posts: 78
edited April 2014 in Honda
Lets try this again, this is a topic for both cars. Like the title says no fighting so if anyone tries don't respond.


  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618

    probably the epitome of fighting.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    No, it's not. It's a place to compare the features and attributes of the two vehicles. It is not a place to fight, so please leave that notion outside the park. Thank you.
  • Pat you are correct, it is simply a comparison. The 07 Civic Si is 2886, my 2004 Spec V is estimated to be 2500lbs according to my insurance card. Maybe a little more I never totally believe what I read online. The 2007 spec V is 3078, Nissan should have stuck with the B15 until they could design a real chassis that French surrender chassis blows.
  • Pat something odd is going on our posts are duplicated. *update* nope its on all one page now, weird.
  • bullardohiobullardohio Posts: 23
    Has anyone driven these 2 cars back-to-back? I've driven the Civic Si sedan, & hope to drive the Spec V this weekend. Would appreciate anyone's comparison (driving impressions) of the 2 vehicles.....
  • iomaticiomatic Posts: 48
    I looked at it but, Nissan industrial design has gone downhill of late, so I'll be whipping by in my Si.
    So, for me:

    Spec V = ugly. Si = tehsecksy

  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    you pretty much summed it up.

    but in all fairness, the spec v is slightly (ever so slightly) quicker than the si.

    Styling may be subjective, but the civic in general is a better looking car imo. The spec v has got some nice torque, but the si's willingness to rev more than compensates for it.

    Lets not even get started on chassis tuning. While the spec v posesses nice turn in, the si is def more floggable and fun to drive. And it doesn't way a hundred tons either.
  • james31278james31278 Posts: 78
    I'll whip by the 07 Spec V in my 04 Spec V with ease. I have a much lighter better looking car too. With an instake and exhaust I can probably blow the doors off of the civic si too.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    With an instake and exhaust I can probably blow the doors off of the civic si too.

    maybe slightly, but hardly 'blowing the doors off'. :blush:

    and if you do, its becasue of the spec v's natural ability to be torquey, not because you have an intake and exahust, both of which are adding only slight hp/torque gains.
  • james31278james31278 Posts: 78
    Actually the Nismo CAI adds 15hp coupled with the Nismo Catback's 5hp. That's an easy 195hp. More than slight. The 2004 Spec V also has Drive by Wire and a raging case of haul [non-permissible content removed].
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    the Nismo CAI adds 15hp coupled with the Nismo Catback's 5hp

    and how much of that is going to the wheels? About 7 hp maybe? 15hp combined sounds right, but certianly not the the wheels; this would mean that hp being produced at the crank would be about almost 30...sorry your not going to get that n/a even with a cai and exhaust. And even so, despite the torque, your still shy 2 ponies of what the si produces stock. And isn't always unfair to go on about who you can rip a new one to when they are stock and you are not? :confuse:
  • james31278james31278 Posts: 78
    Even with the intake and exhaust I'm still pretty much stock. 2hp means nothing thats a negligible difference. You actually think 2 horses means anything come on. Also you have to remember the Civic SI is also heavier than my car. lol :)
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    2hp means nothing thats a negligible difference

    ofcourse it means nothing, i was just pointing out the civics superior hp per litre. And your right, it is a TOTALLY negligible difference....

    hence why i brought up your whole concept of how much hp your cai and exhaust make. :blush: If its so negligible, i wonder why having them on your car makes a diff?

    Even with the intake and exhaust I'm still pretty much stock.

    any aftermarket additions=not stock anymore
  • james31278james31278 Posts: 78
    It would be stock enough, the Civic Si has a single tip exhaust. It really doesn't matter in the long run the Spec will always be better/faster. Vtec is all bark without any bite. Honda isn't even going to bring their fast cars to America, considering their "fast" cars are in the 220-250hp range. Honda and Toyota are permanently in the castrated slow lane.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    Vtec is all bark without any bite

    really? any proof of this? Because there sure is a hell of a lot of proof that vtec pretty much makes an engine more powerful/efficient as a whole.

    I know nissan hasn't taken to well with variable valve technology, so i understand your stand point. :P

    If honda made a 2.5 4cyl it would eat the ser alive. (they have a 2.4 that already can. and a 2.0 that does more than hold its own.)

    and the se-r being "better" is totally subjective. What is fact about the ser? it has a bigger engine, and more torque. But lets not get started on the low rent interior, crappy shifter, and horrilbe chassis that cant hold a candle to the si's. THAT is fact.
  • james31278james31278 Posts: 78
    Coming from an owner of an SE-R, me I know my car is more bite than bark. I see those vtec honda boys all the time they have loud exhausts on their cars and stuff yet when faced with a decent car they lose big time. That's odd how there haven't been any Honda owners on here commenting. That last part you said isn't remotely true, I know you're getting that garbage from the car reviews. Low rent interior yeah right, honda is a low rent car. What is your proof that honda's 2.4L engine can eat an SE-R alive?
  • vvileyvviley Posts: 46
    Do Honda owners need to comment? For the most part, we don't need to defend the competencies of our cars. People will buy what they think works well for them - and I think national sales figures say things well enough.

    If I really wanted a Honda to get the job done, I'd just go get a 2.2L S2000. 0-60 in 5.5 is pretty agreeable with me (C&D). But I'm guessing even that wouldn't quiet the nay-sayers.
  • james31278james31278 Posts: 78
    As do the sentra sales numbers, I see alot of sentras.
  • vvileyvviley Posts: 46
    You may see a lot of Sentras, but check lists for most sold, most researched, and most stolen. People are either interested in one or are actively getting one... legally or otherwise.

    To assist, here's some quickies I looked up.
  • james31278james31278 Posts: 78
    Most of the stolen sentras are early 90's models. I see mostly 2000+ year models. I also have heard of people having problems with their Spec V's, odd since I haven't had any problems with mine what so ever. I have my suspicions.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    see those vtec honda boys all the time they have loud exhausts on their cars and stuff yet when faced with a decent car they lose big time.

    there are so many responses/explanations to this, its incredible.

    First off, not even nissan is free from tuner wannabe's; i've seen my fair share of arroz-out nissan with fart can mufflers and no go at all; thats no secret. Having said that; just because someone slapped a vtec sticker on their car and puts a muffler on it doesn't mean that they are actually packing any power; unforutantely there are more misinformed 'tuners' then informed ones, so you are more likely to see what you just described.

    I've seen plenty of hondas with go. I've seen civic hatch backs take out corvettes. I've seen crx's take out MOTORCYCLES. (obviously not a legal daily driver.) the tuning potential of some of these cars is incredible. There is no need to dispute that, its common knowledge.

    Me? i like the se-r. Especially the new one; i appreciate a car with some oomph that comes in automatic guise; but i also see the other side of it; honda prefers to stick to its philosophy and i respect them for that; it yields great results, both aftermarket and not.

    Its safe to assume you have not really encountered a well tuned honda; as few of them are seen in a day to day basis. You are basing your opinion of 'honda vtec boys' on experience with a few punks who think a muffler is cool, something that can be slapped on to any car, not just a honda, thus making your point invalid and without any real basis or real world experience involving someone who knows what they are doing.

    Do i diss nissan? NO! they have a huge aftermarket following, and are very prominent on the tuner scene. My buddy with the turboed civic wants a 240sx to be his next project car.

    Personally, i just hate people who adhere themselves to one brand, and hate everything else. Nissan has its things, and honda has its things, and even though i prefer honda, i can still appreciate other brands for what they do/put out.

    That last part you said isn't remotely true, I know you're getting that garbage from the car reviews. Low rent interior yeah right, honda is a low rent car.

    what part was untrue? sorry the previous generation se-r was NOTHING to right home about interior wise; heck the gauges were only slightly different than the base sentras! What proof do YOU have that honda is a low rent car, when they are praised universally for build quality and rich interiors? :blush:

    with regards to the k24; try going up against someone, even if all they have under their belt is the engine, and see how you come out. It produces almost the same torque as your car, has about 30 more hp and a higher redline. Even in a heavy chassis, this is a force to be reckoned with, but since there are so many variables involved, i'll leave it out of the discussion, because i too think its unfair to get into the whole...'well if i had this engine in THIS chassis' kind of thing.

    I guess i should have said its a more powerful and efficient engine.
  • james31278james31278 Posts: 78
    No offense but until you actually own a Honda I can't regard anything you say as credible.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    thanks for the link wiley! ;)

    i've owned 2 hondas

    an 01 civic coupe

    and an 06 ex sedan

    somehow...i still don't see you taking what i'm saying as credible; which really says it all :P (especially when half the things i said are things you can observe and confirm with your own eyes.)
  • james31278james31278 Posts: 78
    Yeah yeah two honda fans ganging up on a Nissan fan. Ha. You're just mad because Nissan is better. The 01 Civic isn't the Si now is it. This is a Spec V vs Civic Si topic unless you've owned an Si get real. :P
  • vvileyvviley Posts: 46
    I'm not mad about anything, partly because I don't really care who's better. I bought an '07 Si because it's what works for me.

    And why is ownership a prerequisite? People are capable of forming an educated opinion without necessarily making the purchase. In fact, if people weren't able to make choices based on at least partial information, we'd all be driving Nitros and Ions.
  • vvileyvviley Posts: 46
    FYI: This thread is shown in both the Sentra & the Civic forums. I would expect to see comments from both sides.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    C'mon guys, we're not here to get into street fights. If you want to compare the features and attributes of these vehicles, let's do that. If you just want to make in-your-face posts, we're going to wrap this up.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Um, no, not "perhaps". The discussion is listed under both vehicles and everyone is welcome to contribute about either one. There are no ownership requirements nor anything else except that the conversation be kept civil and on topic. In-your-face posts are not constructive and, as I mentioned, if they continue, this discussion will be closed.

    I am addressing my comments to everyone, but james31278 and eldaino please check your email.
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