Are gas prices fueling your pain?

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,045
    Speaking of Mopar, did you ever notice that many Mopar glovebox doors flip up rather than down? It's one of those strange qualities those older cars had like putting the toothed edge of the ignition key facing up rather than down as on GM cars. From what I remember, Ford cars had a toothed key edge on both sides.

    I think it was only some of the '68-70 Mopar intermediates that had the flip-up glovebox doors. IIRC it was either the Dodges or the Plymouths that did it, but I don't think they both did. There were some Oldsmobiles that did that, too. The '66-67 Cutlass had flip-up glovebox doors. The '88 Cutlass Supreme did, as well, and I think the '92-99 88 did.

    As for the teeth facing up instead of down on the key, I dunno if there's any truth to this, but I heard that actually reduced wear on the lock cylinder. Maybe it had to do something with the moveable parts of the cylinder being above the key rather than below...that way it was harder for dirt and other junk to get caught in them?

    I've never had a Ford product, new or old, so I can't comment on 'em.
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    lemko: From what I remember, Ford cars had a toothed key edge on both sides.

    Ford came out with the double-sided key in the mid-1960s, and it was first among the domestics (don't know about the imports) to have this feature. The key worked regardless of which way it was inserted into the ignition. A surprising number of contemporary road tests commented (favorably) on this feature when Ford introduced it.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    It seems wasteful and unecessary to use both methods for highway funding.

    Well just remember that no tax money is used on toll roads and no toll money in used on non toll roads.

    The government is the primary advocate for tolls because it represents an additional source of revenue.

    Not sure about other places but its a little more complicated than that here in Illinois. A long time ago legislators from downstate got it passed that for every highway dollar spent in the Chicago area a dollar of highway money needed to be spent somewhere in the rest of the state. One of the reasons for the toll system in Illinois is to get around that rule. Since tax money is not being spent on the toll roads the state doesn't have to "match" that spending downstate.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Back in the day when cars came with two keys, Chrysler used one key for the doors and ignition, and another key for the trunk and glovebox. So I guess the idea was that you could lend the car to someone, or let a valet park it, giving them just the one key, and they wouldn't be able to easily get into the trunk or glovebox.

    I had a car once (I think it was my Chevy) where the key operated everything but there was a second "valet" key which wouldn't open the glovebox or trunk but would operate the doors and ignition.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • norcalplannernorcalplanner Member Posts: 1
    Maybe our urban planners you should look back 150 years and figure out how urban areas could work without subways, buses and cars. Maybe our office buildings in central cities should be layed out like this: 1 floor offices, 1 floor shopping, and 2 floors residential?

    Kernick,

    There are a lot of planners out there (myself included) trying to do that very thing. What you've described is called vertical mixed use - retail on the ground floor, office on one or more floors above the retail, and residential on top of that. However, 75% of the population still wants a detached single-family residence, so this particular ship isn't going to be turned around any time soon.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    so this particular ship isn't going to be turned around any time soon.

    I have a friend that I worked with in Alaska. He sold his $1 million plus home in Colorado. Moved to a little beach town in Florida. Bought an old downtown building and built a beautiful home on the second floor. He has an ocean view and will eventually rent out the downstairs store to a nice quiet business of some sort. He will live rent free with his utilities paid by the store downstairs. Great idea if you can find the right old building. I have looked for one in Hawaii. Not cheap enough yet to go for it.
  • 1stpik1stpik Member Posts: 495
    Good luck as you wait for Hawaii to get "cheap enough."

    As for vertical mixed use -- that concept worked pretty well through the 1950s. Then in the 60s and 70s, major cities became crime-infested hell holes, so people left. That's how the suburbs came to exist.

    That's also how $3 gasoline came to exist. When that many people commute every day, demand for oil trumps supply. But high gas prices still aren't sending people scurrying back to the cities.

    All the features of suburbs -- detached homes, back yards, garages, low population density, low crime -- trump the whole hip urban vibe and no commute thing. People naturally desire personal space and personal safety.

    And they're willing to pay (IMO) up to $5/gal. to maintain that standard of living. Higher than that, and they'll STILL stay in the 'burbs, they'll just buy a more efficient car for the daily commute.
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,045
    And they're willing to pay (IMO) up to $5/gal. to maintain that standard of living. Higher than that, and they'll STILL stay in the 'burbs, they'll just buy a more efficient car for the daily commute.

    Well in my case, my job is in the 'burbs, so why would I live anywhere BUT? Plus, I'm only 3.5 miles from work, so I'd be saving gas no matter what I drove. Even if it was a '79 Newport. :P
  • 1stpik1stpik Member Posts: 495
    That's what I meant to say; high gas prices are the result of 100 million people migrating to the suburbs, AND Andre delivering pizzas in a '79 Newport.

    I'm sure that's some kind of crime. But there's probably a statute of limitations on destroying an ecosystem.

    Anyway, living AND working in the suburbs demonstrates that you've rehabilitated yourself. So ..... okay.

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  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Well just remember that no tax money is used on toll roads and no toll money in used on non toll roads.

    If I'm driving on a toll road I am certainly burning gas, meaning I am paying a gas tax. If no gas taxes are going towards this toll road then that doesn't seem quite right. Whether or not you believe in toll roads they definitely deserve their share of the gas taxes. The other option would be to calculate how much gas was burned by drivers on these toll roads and refund them for the amount of gas taxes paid.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    I agree with most of your post. In fact I think gas prices would have to go significantly higher than $5/gallon for people to abandon their 1+ acre home in the burbs. However I don't necessarily agree that high density housing has to equate to high crime rates. That just happens to be the way it is now.

    I've got to believe there are very expensive, small properties(condos) in NYC that have a low incidence of crime. I think that crime rates are more a function of economic conditions. Bring affluent people into the inner-city and you will see a lower crime rate.
  • chuckhoychuckhoy Member Posts: 420
    As long as you didn't tap into that equity via a HELOC, you'll be fine. I refuse to use my house as a giant ATM like so many others have. Using a HELOC to buy a depreciating asset like a car is super-stupid. I believe the only legitimate reason one should take out a HELOC is for home improvements. At least they'll hopefully increase the value of your home.

    I don't know. I used a home equity loan to buy my new car because I could deduct the interest from my taxes this way. I don't consider myself stupid. It was a calculated decision on money I would have spent anyway. But I do agree with the thinking that you should never tap into your equity for frivolous things like vacations and such.

    Everybody should live slightly below their means.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Andre delivering pizzas in a '79 Newport.

    Something classy about your pizza rolling up in a 79 Newport. Almost as good as having the limo driver go get the pizza. You would not want to stink up the limo with garlic and anchovy smells though.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    I used a home equity loan to buy my new car because I could deduct the interest from my taxes this way.

    That may not be the best way to do it as HELOC usually have a much higher interest rate than new car loans and the taxes saved usually don't make up the difference.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    I'm sure that's some kind of crime. But there's probably a statute of limitations on destroying an ecosystem.

    Ecosystems have been destroyed and reborn for millenium without our Newports. It's nothing new, and since man is natural, any ecosystems we destroy is natural too. ;) I hear the area around Mt. St. Helene's is recovering nicely.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Then in the 60s and 70s, major cities became crime-infested hell holes, so people left. That's how the suburbs came to exist.

    Did everybody move to the suburbs because the cities became crime-infested hell holes or did the cities become crime-infested hell holes because everybody ran away to the suburbs? I think the flight of the middle class to the suburbs greatly contributed to the decline of cities. Those left behind are mostly poor and can't afford to leave the city or very wealthy and can live in the most exclusive neighborhoods.

    Well, $3/gallon gas might be the savior of cities as people start moving back into the cities. I don't know how you suburbanites can deal with those hellish commutes without going psycho let alone the insane price of fuel.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    any ecosystems we destroy is natural too.

    If as science tells us that 95% of all flora and fauna that has existed on earth is now extinct, why the big push to try and change evolution? Species come and go, why sweat the snail darter or some goofy owl? It is only a sign of man's ignorance to try and change what he has NO power to change. I watched some mortals in 1990 trying to divert the lava flow on Hawaii. They thought they could protect some homes and an old church. They moved the church and most of the homes were destroyed. What is man, that thinks he can subvert nature?
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    It would look pretty classy as long as they didn't make him put a silly "Domino's Pizza" sign on top of his ride or something. Could you imagine if Andre not only delivered pizza in a Chrysler Newport, but wore a tux as well?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Well, $3/gallon gas might be the savior of cities as people start moving back into the cities.

    I think it just moves the problems to a different area of the city. I know they have renovated many older buildings in downtown San Diego. They are all expensive condos. You can buy a lot of $4 gas for the $400k plus difference in price. There is an interesting situation taking place in the worst part of San Diego. Yuppies have started buying up these old homes and renovating or rebuilding. This has pushed the poor residents out to the deteriorating suburbs. Hard to find fixer in San Diego city under $350k now.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,045
    That may not be the best way to do it as HELOC usually have a much higher interest rate than new car loans and the taxes saved usually don't make up the difference.

    When I did my HELOC back in early 2005, it started at 5.5%, which seemed reasonable. In my tax bracket, I figure the "real" rate was about 3.75%. Unfortunately, the Fed started playing around with interest rates, and a year and a half later I was up to 8.5%. I'm down to 7.5%, which the tax break probably brings down to about 5.2%. Right now my credit union is offering 5.4% on a car loan. 5.05% if you do 3 years or less. And I'm sure I could do better than that, especially with some of the fire sale financing the domestics are doing.

    One area where HELOCs can get dangerous is that you only have to pay the interest portion each month for the first 10 years or so. And if you stay on good terms with them, they'll draw that out further. So a $20,000 car, put on an HELOC at 7.5%, would only be $125 per month. In contrast, my Intrepid, of which I financed about that much, was $347.66 at 0.9%, for 60 months. So that low monthly payment can be seductive...until you realize that you're paying on it forever and not getting anywhere!

    In my case, I'm trying to pay my HELOC down as fast as I can, although with the rates dropping, and possibly dropping again soon depending on what the Fed does, I might slack up on that and put the money to other uses.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,045
    I think it just moves the problems to a different area of the city. I know they have renovated many older buildings in downtown San Diego. They are all expensive condos. You can buy a lot of $4 gas for the $400k plus difference in price. There is an interesting situation taking place in the worst part of San Diego. Yuppies have started buying up these old homes and renovating or rebuilding. This has pushed the poor residents out to the deteriorating suburbs. Hard to find fixer in San Diego city under $350k now.

    That's happening in DC, too. Seems like everytime I go into town, there's another vast hole in the ground where they're doing some kind of construction. And on a smaller scale, old abandoned homes that are still structurally sound are being renovated and sold at a tremendous cost. It's creating a situation where, to go from a good neighborhood to a bad neighborhood, all you have to do is walk next door!

    On one hand, it's getting rid of a lot of bad people, and making the neighborhoods safer. But still, those bad people are going somewhere, so the problem is just getting moved instead of taken care of. And a lot of good people, who just don't have the money, are losing their homes because they just can't afford the rising taxes and such.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,045
    It would look pretty classy as long as they didn't make him put a silly "Domino's Pizza" sign on top of his ride or something.

    Oh they tried several times, but I had a few tricks up my sleeve. Some of these tricks were really taking chances, but I was a valuable enough employee to them that I figured I could risk it. People tend to act differently towards you when you have one of those signs on your car. They'll report you for speeding or reckless driving even when you're doing the limit and behaving. They'll drive extra slow in front of you, cut you off, etc. They'll pull up beside you and start begging for a free pizza. And those signs are also a big invitation that says "ROB ME!" I let the manager know that because of all these safety risks, that if he made me put a sign on the car, I would hold him personally responsible for any harm that came my way with that sign on the car. That would actually make a lot of them back down. I also told them that I would hold them responsible for any damage that came to my car from the magnets on that sign scratching the paint. And if my car developed any electrical problems, I would blame it on the sign, which plugged into the cigarette lighter, and they'd be getting the bill.

    Once or twice, I'll also confess that I lost those car toppers. Honestly, I don't know what happened...it was on the car when I went out...dunno why it wasn't there when I came back. :blush:

    One of the real kickers though, was when I had my '86 Monte Carlo, which I tried to replace the Newport with...until the Monte got t-boned. One of the managers actually went out and put a sign on my roof. Well, he was standing out there, smoking, talking with some of his friends, and not really paying attention. These signs were triangular when viewed from the side, the the magnets on the bottom, and the company name on the front and back. I took the sign, and laid it on its side so that magnets weren't holding. The manager didn't notice what I was doing.

    Then I hopped in the car, fired it up, and gunned the motor so he'd notice. Then revved it up, threw it into gear, and peeled out...quick enough to literally drive out from under the sign. He wasn't amused, but his friends thought it was funny. And that was the last time he tried to put a sign on my car! But there were other managers.

    Once I got the Intrepid, which got much better fuel economy, they had pretty much given up on trying to make me use a car topper. They knew full well that I wouldn't allow them to put one on a brand-new, shiny car. They also made a different type, that attached to the window and you'd roll it up, but because of the way the Intrepid's roofline curved, it wouldn't work. That one also wouldn't work on the Newport, because it had frameless door windows, and it would have probably messed up the rubber window seal.

    As for that Newport being classy? Well, here's an old picture I took of it, in all its $250 glory, back in the winter of 1998, with lots of road grime on it.

    I actually miss that car. It had a 318-2bbl, so it really wasn't THAT bad on gas. I'd get about 13 delivering pizzas, but out on the open highway it would get into the lower 20's. I have a pair of '79 New Yorkers now with 360-2bbls, that get more like 10-11 around town, and if I'm lucky, probably 15-16 on the highway. The 360 has a lot more kick to it on acceleration, but you pay for it in fuel economy. Out on the open highway though, at higher speeds, the 318 didn't seem to give up much to the 360 when it came to passing power, etc. Still, not something I'd want to have to deliver pizzas in nowadays.
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    During the last big run-up in fuel prices - which occurred during the 1970s - cities continued to lose population. If anything, companies will seek out locations near potential employees if gasoline prices become too onerous, as most potential employees (i.e, middle class people) live in the suburbs.
  • chuckhoychuckhoy Member Posts: 420
    I am not exactly sure what HELOC stands for, but mine is a fixed rate loan. All other loan rates were about the same (within 1%) so I did not lose anything there so I could use the rebate instead of the APR. My reasoning was "all things being equal, I'll deduct the interest". We got a good rate because we have been there for years and know the people.
  • 1stpik1stpik Member Posts: 495
    "Did everybody move to the suburbs because the cities became crime-infested hell holes or did the cities become crime-infested hell holes because everybody ran away to the suburbs? I think the flight of the middle class to the suburbs greatly contributed to the decline of cities."

    If that's true, then the decline of the Big 3 is also "our" fault. We didn't quit buying Ford/GM/Chrysler because they made inferior cars. They made inferior cars because we quit buying them.

    And, of course, that logic works beautifully for our friends in government; Gas tax revenues aren't falling short because the gov't is squandering the money on pork projects. The gov't is squandering it because revenues are falling short. So we all need to pay more.

    "... in the worst part of San Diego. Yuppies have started buying up these old homes and renovating or rebuilding. This has pushed the poor residents out ..."

    Are you talking about Logan Heights? That place is long overdue for a "push."

    Don't forget, those "poor residents" paid a lot less than the $350,000 prices they're getting now. The trip out of the barrio is easy when you have an extra $200,000 in the bank.

    NOTICE: Any yuppies who want to "push" me out of my neighborhood by paying me a six-figure premium for my house -- I welcome you!

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,045
    I am not exactly sure what HELOC stands for, but mine is a fixed rate loan. All other loan rates were about the same (within 1%) so I did not lose anything there so I could use the rebate instead of the APR.

    Home Equity Line of Credit. It's like a Home Equity Loan, except not for a fixed amount, and not at a fixed rate. With a Home Equity loan, you borrow a set amount, and it's usually at a fixed rate and you pay it back over 5, 10, or whatever years. With an HELOC, they give you a credit limit, depending on how much equity you have in your house. You take an initial draw amount, and they give you a checkbook that you can use to pull out additional money if you need it. They're usually tied to the prime rate, so they'll adjust every time the Fed plays with rates.

    I did an HELOC instead of a fixed amount for a few reasons. First, there were no closing costs on the HELOC, whereas the loan would've run about $3K at the time, IIRC. At the time, the initial interest rate was a bit lower on the HELOC, although it soon adjusted upward. Also, I wanted the flexibility of being able to take out more if I wanted, and having that real low payment, if that need ever arose. Thankfully it hasn't...yet.
  • 1stpik1stpik Member Posts: 495
    "... during the 1970s - cities continued to lose population. If anything, companies will seek out locations near potential employees if gasoline prices become too onerous, as most ... live in the suburbs."

    Hold on! I just got through forgiving Andre for burdening our economy and destroying our planet with his '79 gas-guzzler.

    NOW you tell me that he's destroying our cities by living in the suburbs, too?

    Andre, you're back on the s--t list, buddy!

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,045
    Andre, you're back on the s--t list, buddy!

    Hey, I come from a long line of farmers, sharecroppers, and railroad workers. My people were out here before the word "Suburbs" was even invented. We didn't land on the suburbs...the suburbs landed on US! :P

    Once upon a time, I could've walked about 800 feet from my front door to catch the WB&A, an electric railroad that would then whisk me off to DC, Baltimore, or Annapolis, without ever needing to set foot in an automobile. Unfortunately, I was born in 1970. The WB&A discontinued passenger service in 1935.

    So am I on the S-list for sabotaging mass transit by being born too late, too? :P
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    Andre1969: after a night of pizzas in your car, how did you get the scent out? If I bring home a Donatos from 8 miles, I can smell the pizza the next day.

    Chicken garlic pizza
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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It is now Barrio Logan. Same place. Just let go for 90 years. Many homes in there were built before 1920. It is being upgraded as It is prime real estate. Mission Hills is another area. Though up there a cheap Craftsman fixer upper is about $750k. We really do not have a slum area to brag about. Maybe the El Cajon valley with all the apartment buildings.

    When you save $100k buying a home that is 675,000 miles worth of gas at $4 per gallon in the average car. You save at least that much for every 10 miles further out you move. It gives you about 180 years worth of commuting gas. Yes I would say moving to the suburbs is worthwhile. My $700,000 home 35 miles from downtown San Diego with a view would be $3,000,000+ in the city. Figure that out for buying gas even for a big SUV. No wonder 2 out of 3 homes have a big PU or SUV parked out front.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,045
    fter a night of pizzas in your car, how did you get the scent out? If I bring home a Donatos from 8 miles, I can smell the pizza the next day.

    Easy, I also moonlighted running deliveries for a pet cemetery, and the scents would sort of cancel each other out after awhile. :P Nah, just kidding on that one! For some reason, the smell never was that much of a problem. However, when I delivered for Little Caesar's, we had this sheeter machine that would roll out the dough, whereas at Papa John's, they'd slap it out. When I wasn't running deliveries, I'd help make the pizzas, and working for Little Caesar's, would end up getting flour all over me. I'd try to clean it off the best I could, but would still end up getting it in the car. When I used to drive my Dart, which had exposed metal on the door panels, that flour actually ATE the paint off the door, down to bare metal! Once I started driving the Newport, it would just sort of cake up on the vinyl of the door panel, and have to be wiped off every so often. Once I went to Papa John's, I never could get the slapping part down very good, so they rarely made me do it. As a result, getting flour on me and then on the car never was a problem. Which was a good thing, because my Monte Carlo and Intrepid had cloth on the doorpanels, so I imagine the flour would've really made a mess there!

    Maybe I just built up a resistance to the smell of the pizza? Also, as drivers, we'd put the pizzas in hot bags, so that might've kept the aroma from diffusing throughout the car.
  • 1stpik1stpik Member Posts: 495
    "So am I on the S-list for sabotaging mass transit by being born too late, too?"

    Oh, now you're giving me sass? Okay!

    From now on, everyone, it's not 'blame America,' it's 'blame Andre!" Whatever's wrong with the world, it's HIS fault.

    Blizzard in New England? Andre.

    Genocide in the Democratic Republic of the Congo? Andre started it.

    Partial-birth abortion? All Andre's idea.

    The fact that I still live in a starter home, drive a cheap car, hate my job, and can't get a date on national holidays? Andre, you [non-permissible content removed]!

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,045
    The fact that I still live in a starter home, drive a cheap car, hate my job, and can't get a date on national holidays? Andre, you [non-permissible content removed]!

    Yeah yeah yeah, and I killed Kenny, too. :P
  • 1stpik1stpik Member Posts: 495
    "We really do not have a slum area to brag about."

    Sure you do: Tijuana.

    Seriously, San Diego is a nice town, albeit way too expensive. Although, as you say, house prices drop nicely as you get farther from the metro area.

    You went 35 miles out and saved $2.3 million. I went a little farther -- 1,400 miles east -- and saved $2.85 million. The house is great, but the commute sucks.

    That's why I bought a hybrid.

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I went a little farther -- 1,400 miles east -- and saved $2.85 million. The house is great, but the commute sucks.

    When I retired we went out to Fredericksburb area to look for a home. I like the Hill Country, but found the places we liked on the water a bit high priced and those 2%+ property taxes are stiff.

    Yes TJ serves us well as a low rent district. 2.5 million people living close by to mow lawns and clean homes. I lived in Rosarito for a year in 1996. I should have bought the place. It was $75k overlooking the Pacific. Same place today is $300k or more. And you really do not own the land. Letting your engine idle at the border for over two hours would be expensive with $3 gas.

    PS
    We moved from Santee to Alpine and love it up here.
  • smithedsmithed Member Posts: 444
    Drive my car. :shades:
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    You save at least that much for every 10 miles further out you move

    La Jolla is at least 10 miles outside of San Diego, Del Mar another 5-10 miles. How much do you save by moving to these areas? In Southern CA it's not so much moving away from the city as it is moving away from the ocean.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    What is man, that thinks he can subvert nature?

    Are you serious? I'm sure the high-rises in CA are constructed to withstand 7.0 earthquakes. The quality homes in the southeast are designed to withstand hurricane force winds. In flood plains levies are erected to mitigate this risk. Sure these efforts aren't 100% successful but are you stating they are completely futile? With that rational why would you open an umbrella, put on a jacket, turn on the AC or heat. Obviously man has become quite adept at subverting all but the most extreme that nature can throw at us.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Did everybody move to the suburbs because the cities became crime-infested hell holes or did the cities become crime-infested hell holes because everybody ran away to the suburbs?

    Hate to say this but throughout history cities have been crime infested cesspools.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Are you serious? I'm sure the high-rises in CA are constructed to withstand 7.0 earthquakes. The quality homes in the southeast are designed to withstand hurricane force winds. In flood plains levies are erected to mitigate this risk. Sure these efforts aren't 100% successful but are you stating they are completely futile?

    In a simple word yes. Sure we can resist some of what nature has to throw at us. Volcanos, earthquakes, floods, fires and hurricanes have all proven the futility of man trying to resist nature. We have had very recent examples with Katrina and the CA fires. I guess I have a much lower opinion of man than you do.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    t's a good idea until it malfunctions. Then, instead of just buying a new gas cap, you probably have to take the thing into the dealer for some expensive repair.

    Actually, right now the issue is too many people aren't putting their regular gas cap on right and bringing it in because the check engine light came on, making a PITA for the dealers to scan the code and reset the computer.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    What was the deal with the domestic obsession for putting the filler door and trunk openers in the glove box? I'm mildly surprised they didn't put the hood opener and sunroof controls in there, too.

    Having benchmarked stuff at NAIAS, I found 1 car out of all the ones there that had a release in the glove box, and I can't even remember what car it was now.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Hate to say this but throughout history cities have been crime infested cesspools.

    That would be my opinion of even the best of cities. Criminals migrate to where the pickin's are easy & plentiful.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Not only that but put to many animals in to small a pen and see what happens. Same thing happens when humans get to crowded.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    How would you explain Japan? They have a very high population density and a very low crime rate.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Japan has very strict laws and lots of police to enforce those laws. They have a law abiding ethic that is long since gone from this country. If the punishment fit the crime here we would have a lot less crime. If death row inmates were not taking up space for 20+ years our jails would not be over crowded. Crime is too lucrative and punishment too mild, so we have lots of crime and it seems to pay. That makes the city a perfect place for criminals to live. No thank you, I like my little plot of land and fruit trees.

    A friend just returned from Singapore. He said that is not the place to step out of line.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    I lived in Rosarito for a year in 1996. I should have bought the place. It was $75k overlooking the Pacific. Same place today is $300k or more. And you really do not own the land.

    You should have bought that place. I believe that since NAFTA property ownership has changed. I'm sure you're familiar with the Rosarita Beach Hotel. When I lived in San Diego we'd go down there a couple times a year for their lobster dinner: great meal and great value.

    It's interesting what's going on right now. Affluent Americans are moving to Baja and poor Mexicans are moving to CA.

    Baja rocks. Does San Diego still have a chain of Rubio's restaurants? This was started by a few San Diego State University students that took a Baja surfing trip to Ensenada and were treated to fish tacos by some locals. I will eventually make my way back to So. CA.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Rubio's is a big chain now. It is probably bigger than Taco Bell in SoCA.

    I spent a lot of time at the Rosarito Beach Hotel. There was a jazz club next door that I liked. Rosarito is now like TJ was a few years ago. In 1996 there was plenty of parking. Now it is wall to wall people. I would go a bit further down the coast now. I liked La Fonda in La Mision for lobster. Also a couple places in Puerto Nuevo.

    Gas used to be cheaper down there. Now people tell me it is the same as here.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Japan has very strict laws and lots of police to enforce those laws. They have a law abiding ethic that is long since gone from this country. If the punishment fit the crime here we would have a lot less crime. If death row inmates were not taking up space for 20+ years our jails would not be over crowded.

    I believe that Japan does have a law abiding ethic. FWI, they also have a high percentage of atheist. This his is just a statement of fact, not a personal opinion.

    I'd have to do some research as to whether or not Japan spends a bigger percentage of their budget on law enforcement. I will get the answer but my gut feeling is that they spend less than the US.

    Japan does have the death penalty but they almost never use it. As far as the death penalty goes it's pretty much the US, a bunch of African countries, China and Russia. I'm not sure we're in elite company.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Those were very good times for me.

    Gas did used to be cheaper but I'm not sure the octane was even 80. I'd go down with a college buddy that had a VW Bug. We'd fill up down there at around 70 cents a gallon but his car would be knockin' like a SOB until he purged that gas from it's system.
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