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Yes - a no. of people have issues w/ their suspensions, but the vast majority of owners don't (look at the owner feedback reviews here or on the genesisowners forum).
Likely, it seems to be a problem due to the shocks (even tho being the same part no. - there tends to be some variance in spring rates) along w/ overdampening, which is why some people experience problems while many don't.
What for all of about 300 vehicles? From what I have read suspension issues seem to be themeatic to Hyundai.
By your comment I can only assume that you haven't actually driven a Genesis? Correct me if I'm wrong.
This was one data point used to determine whether to go ahead with the purchase. Had I experienced an electrical failure the ending may have been different.
There are a number of posts on the subject, with a lot of varied interpetation. One mans hard suspension is another mans loose suspension. You have to decide, but it is a data point.
True, but you should drive one first before blindly repeating what others claim. You may feel differently.
I had heard the horror stories about Hyundai ownership and out of 3 Hyundai vehicles (87 Excel, 02 Sonata & 06 Azera), ownership has been wonderful. None of those cars has left me stranded anywhere and any issues that came up were either easy to fix myself or the warranty covered it (with the exception of the Excel as the warranty wasn't in place back then). However, the Excel was the longest lived of them all...as the car met it's demise in 1996 due to being t-boned by a Buick, but it had over 250k miles on it. The Sonata went 4 years with 105k miles on it before being traded for my current Azera (which currently has 65k miles on it).
The point I'm trying to make is that I know folks that could dog Hyundai for the bad experience they've had (I'm not talking about those that trash Hyundai based on what they've HEARD), but with the 3 vehicles I've had...I have nothing but postive things to say.
You can read about the issues some have with the Genesis suspension, but you may go out and really like the way the car rides, handles and performs and come back and be able to put a post that would give a differing opinion compared to the ones complaining. However, there's also a chance you might see exactly what those are saying and your post would say as much.
I post them because many people are seeking information and these are sources I have found and wish to share that information with those seeking objective analysis of cars.
It also gets old for the same people to attack anyone who criticizes their beloved Hyundai's.
It was posted on both the Azera and Genesis sites because both cars have suspension issues per the PROFESSIONALS. Not to mention the many who have driven or purchased the cars and complain of the suspension/ride.
Before you automatically attack, why don't you read the articles/websites that I have referenced all this time? Perhaps as Jack Nicholson said, "You can't handle the truth"?
Truly, I don't mind someone posting something that THEY have personally found in their own experience, but you have quite a few that will post about what they read or heard from someone else, which again...sounds like another unhappy customer complaining and in reality...that person hasn't even driven one. Just like the great many that tried to knock the Azera with a lot of bad talk, but had never even sat in one. It happens, but usually...after a few postings you can point out the ones that are just parroting facts or statements they've heard elsewhere.
Pretty much every auto review has commented on the harsh, jumpy ride of the X3.
I can also personally attest since my parents bought an X3 before I could intervene (they would have done much better purchasing a 5 Series Estate - except for the heineous iDrive).
If these professional reviewers had experienced the type of suspension problems that a minority of (vocal) owners of the Genesis/Azera have been experiencing, they would NOT recommend the Genesis or the Azera (which pretty much every review does).
What the reviewers who do note something state is something that is not uncommon in reviews of other autos (and a good many reviewers had no issue at all w/ the suspension, except for maybe wishing the suspension was tuned even tighter a la the 5 Series).
Carolinabob, there's a big difference in sharing information and a public defamation campaign by a disgruntled owner. (of a completely different Hyundai model, I might add. I don't think you have ever driven a Genesis)
I'll bet if you google "Hyundai suspension problems", your many posts on many forums will DOMINATE the search results. Bet? Is that your goal?
If you were interested in informing the public in an honest and balanced way, you wouldn't go on many forums under different aliases to get your licks in against your perceived adversary.
It's very easy to see what you're trying to do. Instead of trying to embarrass Hyundai in public and creating false impressions, why don't you take it up with your dealer? And try being nice. You're much more likely to get help with your perceived problem.
Are you suggesting we can't discuss peoples opinions about the cars?
Have you driven one? I have multiple model years and found it firm, not harsh, not jumpy in typical BMW style.
So goes the saying one mans meat is another mans potatoes. Which is the point I was suggesting. Kind of like criticizing the Vette for only having two seats. Additionally even if the problem with the Genesis/X3 is perceived I agree perception is reality, which is why this is a datapoint and you have to make up your own mind.
In addition, just because one might not feel the issue, doesn't mean it's not there. And I'll be fair and say this applies to the X3 also.
Absolutely not. However, I've been here long enough to witness countless number of people claiming the suspension is bad, yet they haven't even driven one yet.
Contribute if you have first-hand knowledge, don't just regurgitate what others have mentioned or what you have read in a magazine. Where's the value in that?
2. I have test driven FOUR different Genesis models and agreed with Consumer Reports, Consumer Guide, Car & Driver and Automobile Magazine, et. al. that the ride/suspension is not what it should be for this class of car.
3. All my posts under this forum and others are under CarolinaBob-never used any other name.
4. I have never tried to defame Hyundai or its cars, just trying to let others know there are issues they need to know before they purchase.
5. There were hundreds (thousands?) of postings on this and other sites before I made my first one. Those posts are what let me know that I was far from alone.
6. It is not a perceived problem or Hyundai would not have replaced all the many shocks on Azeras that they have replaced already. Many two times. They are also revising the suspension on the Genesis because of what customers and the PROFESSIONALS have said.
7. My "negative" posts have almost always mentioned a source and you cannot quote entire articles that are 2-5 pages long. If the person is interested in a full report, they will read the article. I just let know there is something they may wish to read.
I suppose when Edmunds or Consumer Reports or Automobile magazine makes a less than fully favorable report, they are trying to "embarass" a manufacturer and create "false impressions." I don't think so.
No vehicle is perfect. It looks like the suspension is a weak area on the Genesis sedan, for some owners and for some professional reviewers. There are other things that could be improved on the Genesis also, e.g. put a seat cooler on the passenger's seat too, huh? But as you said, read the full report. There is much more to the Genesis than complaints about the suspension. And I have yet to read a professional review that even hinted that the Genesis' suspension is dangerous, a safety risk, or tosses people around in the car and makes them sick as had been reported by some posters here.
To prospective buyers: drive the car. See what you think about the suspension. If it's not to your liking, there's several other good choices for sedans with comparable performance and features. They might cost more, but if that's an issue... buy a "previously owned" unit. This kind of car depreciates pretty fast.
In your 7 bullet points, you did not admit that you are on a 1 man mission to flood the Internet and punish Hyundai because you are dissatisfied with Azera's suspension. Now you have expanded your campaign to a model you don't even own. You admitted you have driven 4 different Genesis's, without the slightest intention to buy one. That speaks for itself.
When someone becomes so involved or obsessed that they lose their objectivity, their comments should be weighed accordingly.
Where do I stand?
Before I buy a car, I read a lot of comments by a lot of owners, throw out the 10 out of 10's and the 1 out of 10's , and do a thorough test drive. It's very prudent to do that, because dealers can't afford to give refunds like Wal-Mart.
slightest intention to buy one. That speaks for itself."
Duh . . Where did he say he did not have the 'slightest intention to buy one'?
Why do you suppose he test-drove so many different examples?
Come on now. Get real! :sick:
Who is jumping to conclusions now? :confuse:
Give me a break.
That being said, with his not owning a Genesis or even having any intention of buying one, he really doesn't have an iron in the fire when it comes to launching complaints; legitimate or not.
Remind us all - do you actually own a Genesis?
They are also revising the suspension on the Genesis because of what customers and the PROFESSIONALS have said.
Uhm...this is just speculation. It's been talked about, but nobody has definitively put out a statement. Mis-information on your part as usual.
You said back in November that you were done posting here....I'm assuming because too many people questioned your credibility. So let me ask - why are you back? Did you buy the Genesis?
Come on now. Get real!
Because he is on a 2 year long smear campaign, and looking for credibility. Another angle is, why would he smear a car maker, and then go buy their car?
Don't misread me. Carolinabob is just as entitled to his opinion is you and me. But beyond a reasonable number airings, his opinions become "stirring the pot", "loading google", or "stacking the deck" to suit his agenda.
2. I drove 4 of them because of what the owners and professionals were saying about the suspension and I am interested in purchasing one. The Genesis is still high on my list of cars once the suspension/ride issue is resolved.
3. If so many people had not commented negatively about the suspension and I had not confirmed it for myself, I would be in one right now.
4. I am delighted that Hyundai built a car a level above the Azera because that is where I want my next car to be. I planned to be in one this year.
5. As for the Genesis revisions, I know what I know and the source was impeccable.
6. I came back because I had new information to share AND noticed that NEW posters who had questions about the suspension were viciously attacked as I and others had been.
7. Bobad-I’m obsessed???
8. TaylOrd-I never said I had no intention of purchasing one. I do not test drive nor research nor comment on vehicles that I am not interested in purchasing.
9. Still waiting for one of you to say what the PROFESSIONALS and several OWNERS have said was wrong. You just continue to attack me or others who post their opinions/information.
10. My number of posts pales in comparison to those who do not want to hear anything negative about their cars. Many of my posts have been in response to attacks on me or others.
11. I have often said that people should drive the cars for themselves, but be aware of what others have said. Is this not the real purpose of these forums?
Granted, almost 100 reviews doesn't come close to being the number of Genesis owners in America today, but it would indicate to the average consumer reading them that the Genesis is a pretty darn good car. With as much media coverage as the Genesis has received, I'm sure most that have, are or will be interested in the Genesis will have read the reviews and know about the so called "suspension issues" They will read and compare that information with the consumer reviews posted on Edmunds and any other places consumer reviews can be posted. Going by Edmunds alone, one would find it hard to believe that the suspension is truly that much of an issue if at least 100 people consistently rated it 9.0 or better. I would be more leery if it had a rating between 7-8, but 9.4???
Are you kidding me? Most of the reviews have said there are cars that handled better (on back roads, for example - like the 5er), but certainly nowhere from the degree in which your posts have indicated. Sure, there are improvements that could be made, but the suspension itself is not the sole indicator of a car, certainly not the only indicator in the class which the Genesis is positioned; ditto on the Azera.
You have been pleading your case by claiming you are trying to provide objective info to all, so please focus on some other parts of the car as well; focus on the good and the bad, if you are trying to provide "unbiased info".
I really don't know for sure. Judging by your hundreds of posts on the same subject, I would say it appears that way.
I read somewhere that when polled, 10% of people are satisfied with everything, and 10% are satisfied with nothing. That being the case, your comments are within the norms.
By the way, I have nothing at all against the substance of any of your complaints. I only take issue with the sheer quantity and deliberate, widespread distribution of your complaints. Such large numbers of complaints can paint a false picture to the casual Hyundai researcher.
The negatives are just as fair in the same quantity as the positives for any manufacturer. You may choose not to perceive them as a negative, which of course is your perogative.
Tweak the suspension. I felt stuff (vibration and bumps) while driving at lower speeds. I actually thought it drove well at the higher speeds.
Switch out all of the Hyundai logos with the Genesis wings logo! Why they did that in Korea & China but not the U.S. is really really odd.
If they do though two things, they are going to sell alot of Genesis cars!
The US dealers do that as an add on (trunk lid and wheel center caps) or you can order them online and swap them out yourself with dental floss and a hair dryer.
What a stupid move by Hyundai! Telescopic steering as an option in a "luxury" car? This is standard these days in many cars that cost some $10,000 less than a Genesis.
Did you try out the seating position to see if it was comfortable even w/o the power tilt/telescopic steering column?
Changes in the 2010 Genesis suspoension is a rumor started by a single poster on another site who implored readers NOT to check with Hyundai as to its veracity as it would compromise his secret source. He also modified his claim with "almost certainly", "if true" and "if it happens" While it may be true, the rumor has never been confirmed.by Hyundai, the press or other posters.
Was he the source of your inside information?
One thing to try--raise the height of the driver's seat and move it forward. I've found that kind of position works well for cars w/o a telescopic column or one that doesn't move back enough, provides good thigh support, a better view of the road, and more leg room in back. Also easier entry/exit.
As i know Hyundai expect to sale only 300 to 400 in Canada for the first year, i don't know the stats at the moment in Canada but it seems more popular in USA, where 1 000 and more are sold per month since september.
I totally agree that Hyundaï should have use GENESIS LOGO instead of the variation "H" (not really to distinctive to the H of Honda)
The last coupe I owned, a 328Ci, had decent room in back for two adults my size. But the rear window wasn't slanted at as severe an angle as on the Genesis or G37 coupes.
For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would get a base 3.8. For $2k more you get...
Premium Package
- Lexicon® 14-speaker surround sound audio system w/ in-dash 6-disc CD changer
- Leather-wrapped dash and door trim inserts
- Power tilt-and-slide sunroof
- Power tilt and telescopic steering wheel
- Integrated memory system
- Rain-sensing wipers
- Auto-defogging windshield
- Power rear sunshade
...and your payments may only go up $15/mo. over a base 3.8. However, to each their own.
BTW, I did not say anything about it being the 2010 model.
The Premium Package is a good deal I think, but I don't have any problem with head clearance.
Anyone over 6' tall, I can't imagine why they would need the seat cushion adjusted all the way up at it's highest point. Not unless you're 4' of leg and 2' of torso and head!