Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

JohnNW

No one denies your great experience and we are jealous believe me. The concern is not about a little stiffness in the ride. Some people have had a vastly different experience - that doesn't negate your experience and your experience does not negate ours. There is clearly variablity in the vehicles. The issue has popped up often enough that something is/was going on.

sergio19

sheltonzz,

I feel the same way...I think the car is perfect...at least for me.
I got my Genesis V8/Tech almost 2 weeks ago and am thrilled to death of it!
I traded my Azera for it. YES the suspension is stiffer but it's a good stiff and to me is sporty!

It handles really well in curves and turns and performance is awesome. I also keep telling my wife it's got too much power. Boy this car can move!

If I had to find something wrong about this car TO ME it's the tire noise! The Dunlops aren't very good tires IMO.

The mileage you get on the freeway is awesome...I average anywhere between 27 - 29 MPG. City driving is another story, Between 16 - 18 MPG. Overall I'd say that's pretty dam good considering it being a V8.

Regards,
A happy owner

allmet33

16-18 mpg city driving with the 4.6 V-8? This'll make you feel better...the 3.6 V-6 in the Saturn Outlook was turning 14-15 mpg city driving and it was only rated at 275 hp. I'd take the 4.6 V-8 numbers any day over that!!!

JohnNW

Again - it's not about a stiff suspension per se. Glad you are happy - many are. Some are not.

allmet33

I didn't say anything about the suspension, my comment was regarding the fuel economy.

bobad

The issue has popped up often enough that something is/was going on.

The issue has popped up often because 1 fellow brought it up a hundred times all over the Internet. 1 problem reported 100 times is not as significant as 100 problems brought up 1 time.

allmet33

So...is it still significant if the single problem has been brought up 100 times by a single person??? The ultimate significance would be if 100 people brought up the same single issue 100 times. The internet allows one to be quite ubiquitous, which would make a single issue seem grander than it truly is.

sergio19

Allmet33,
hope you're doing well...
I wasn't complaining about the mileage...I was expressing how impressed I am!
I'm loving this car soo much it isn't even funny!

Regarding the suspension on this car...Maybe I should write how great it is at least 100 times. Don't know if that would make any difference.

FYI allmet...I will NO DOUBT be putting in my sub...The low bass out of the Lexicon system is just not there...and I have the 17 speaker version!!!!
I'll probably be doing it sometime this summer.

Regards,

allmet33

sergio19...

Oh...I know, I just posted the numbers from the Outlook to really show you how impressive the city driving numbers are for the Genesis 4.6.

I kinda figured, at some point...you would probably be wanting to put your sub in. As good as the Lexicon system sounds, it doesn't give a bass head what is really needed. By all means, please keep us posted when you finally get around to doing that install!!! :shades:

almatti

I have a Infiniti G35x. There is no Way you're getting 16-18 MPG in City driving nor 28-29 MPGs on the highway. No way, Not with a V-8 unless Hyandai has come up with a miracle additive or Hybrid... And the car is only 2 weeks old !!

allmet33

Why not?

Info as provided on Edmunds.com for Genesis 4.6.

Fuel Tank Capacity: 20.3 gal.
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway/Combined)
Automatic: 17 mpg / 25 mpg / 19 mpg
Range in Miles:
Automatic: 345.1 mi. / 507.5 mi. / 385.7 mi.

sergio19

I never asked you to believe me...I know what I'm getting, I have absolutely nothing to gain by putting bad info...My only agenda here is to let people know what I am getting.
BTW...I love your car too! My buddy has a G35 Coupe and I love his car.
I wanted the G35x but fell in love with the Genesis. Hope you're enjoying your ride.

Here's more info..

I went from my place to Quebec city (235KM) and my trip meter said 8.2L/100KM (This is 28.68MPG)
On my way back after filling the tank again I got 9.1L/100KM...a little headwind. (This is 25.85MPG. Hence my 26-28 numbers.

This tank of gas, in which I doing a hell of alot of stop and go in city driving, I'm averaging 13.9L/100KM. (This is 16.92MPG)
I'm not the ONLY one to post such numbers...some got as much as 30MPG and I don't know how they did that!

Please do the math for me then.
I used this website to do it for me.
http://www.eforecourt.com/l_100km_mpg_convert.htm

BTW...I set the cruise at 118KM or 73.33MPH when I cruise on the highway.

Regards,

PS...I love my car!

ck90211

I parked next to a really handsome car today (turquise or light metallice blue color). Initially I thought it was some new Infiniti or Lexus or BMW, but the wing-looking emblem had me thinking it was a Chrysler. Only a close up look did I see "Genesis" on the emblem. What a nice looking car, and really luxurious, warm looking interior. Definitely worthy of a look for my next car.

colegar

I, for one, believe your MPG numbers because I get similar results (or better) all the time and I am at 21,000 miles on the odometer. To get that mileae, I don't have to use crazy coasting techniques or drive 55 MPH. I can get the EPA rating of 27 MPG on any trip except one that had me driving into sustained 30 MPH headwinds.

For those of you who think I must be exagerating, take a look at my previous posts and you will see that I do not shy away from a few criticisms of the Genesis. However, you will see that I have consistently praised the performance of the 3.8 engine mated to the slick-shifting six speed, both for its quickness and for its gas mileage.

gensiscan

Hello,

Thank you for the well detail information. I feel "confortable" to go at the dealer.

Merci

gensiscan

Bonjour,

I am very impress by the fuel economy of the V8.

Just for comparaison, i have a V6, and at 118km (2000 rpm) to cover 250km (Mtl to Quebec city)...i got a 7.9l / 100km.

I was not all the time on the cruise control, but still, a V8 with 8.2l/100km is very impressive or "remarquable"

Just for information, what was your RPM ???

JohnNW

Sorry - you are wrong. You need to separate dialouge and sheer number of posts from postings from different individuals. Across message boards (especially early on) there are numerous postings from different individuals (and reviewers btw). For my negotiation with Hyundai I myself collected 75 individual complaints about suspension issues. In all fairness, these did include five private emails sent to me and not posted on a message board. Now, 75 complaints in the grand scheme of the number of Genny's sold is not a lot. However, we have no idea how many have a concern and never post and vica versa. So, there may be only a small percentage of people unhappy enough to post or trade their vehicle or what not - but, please do not keep pretending that it's only one person or no one has a problem because that is simply not true.

bobad

but, please do not keep pretending that it's only one person or no one has a problem because that is simply not true.

Never said that, and you know I never said that. All I'm saying is that 1 obsessed or disgruntled person who does not even own a Genesis can badly skew google search results.

Try it! Do a search on "genesis suspension problems", and tell me how many of the first 10 hits are complaints (or linked to complaints) by a non-Genesis owner.

The average car shopper who does a superficial google search can be badly misled.

JohnNW

I can see your point. I'd say though that that is no reason for people not post as much as they want. Conversely, people posting over and over about their great, buttery smooth ride or such (which I unfortunately have never experienced in my purchased vehicle) can skew search results as well. No one has an obligation to Genesis or Hyundai to worry about Google search results. I'd hope any potential buyer would ultimately do more than a superficial search. Personally - I'm more upset about the fact that Hyundai promised me a state of the art, advanced suspension with a smooth, yet sporty ride yet sold me a car that rode like an old truck with no shocks 90% of the time.

allmet33

You know...one can read as many posts as they want to read (good or bad), but the only way ANYONE will find out how the car will feel to THEM is to go put their butt in the driver's seat and take it for a test drive. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the feedback positive or negative from those who have actually experienced the car for themselves, but there are just too many that will simply jump on a bandwagon and say things based on what they've read or heard from somewhere else and honestly...don't have a clue. Those the ones that truly skew the searches when it comes to find out info on a particular vehicle.

doug71

We, enjoy this automobile. Keep an open mind. We, feel there is nothing wrong with this class of car.

e46m3

"Actually, I guess that's how I personally characterize the Genesis - it's not a bottom-tier luxury car (competing with Lexus and BMW), it's a "tweener car" that sits above the Accord/Camry/Maxima."

First of all my comments are really only really relevent for the V8 with Tech package. For the V6 without many options your statement may be accurate. But for a loaded V8 trim Genesis I would completely disagree with you, it is not a bottom tier Luxury car and certainly not a family car thats sitting just above an accord. Based purely on features, quality of components, build quality and preformance documented through multiple road tests including 0-60, 1/4 mile, braking, slalom, wet handling, dry handling, etc it is in a very exclusive league occupied by V8 BMW's, Audi's or Benz's. The suspension is not a problem, it is one of the strong features of the Genesis and is matched very well with the Tau engine and ZF transmission. It's not a coincidence that the car performs so well in the slalom and G force tests.

sergio19

En effet genesiscan, c'est remarquable.
Désolé, but I did not notice where the odometer was at while cruising at 118KPH.

I do know that it was under 2000RPM.

I'm in Halifax right now and won't be able to verify for a while.

Salutations,

espo35

As a Service Manager at a Hyundai dealer, I have yet to receive a complaint about a Genesis' ride.

None.

As far as information available in forums like these?

There are plenty of similar forums on the web dealing with alien abductions, too.

JohnNW

yeah I don't believe that for a minute

pat

Folks, please, if you don't like what someone else has to say, either present a contrasting observation or just skip it altogether. Attacking someone personally is not acceptable.

kenb757

I agree John. The people who traded their Accents for Genesi will probably not have a problem with the ride.

JohnNW

The curse of low expectations ......

carolinabob

bobad: "The ride is fine." :mad: Can't let this lie go by again. It was many, many, many people to include professional reviewers in many magazines and websites. Go back and look at all the different screen names on the various websites. It has even turned up from Genesis owners on the Hyundai Think Tank.
Latest was just this past week:
Automobile magazine, May 2009: comments on their 4.6 at 1156 miles. Marc Noordelos, road test editor: "Hyundai needs to revisit the Genesis suspension tuning. It’s brittle, even harsh, over the slightest imperfections."
What it means is that each person needs to carefully analyze the ride over several types of surfaces for at least a couple of hours of driving. Then decide if it is right for you. BUT, it is an issue of which people need to be aware.
BTW, Hyundai "revised" the suspension on cars coming off the assembly line in March. Must have had a reason. This comes from a well placed source, not a local dealer.

koury

BTW, Hyundai "revised" the suspension on cars coming off the assembly line in March. Must have had a reason. This comes from a well placed source, not a local dealer

This means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING until it can be confirmed. This rumor was started by a poster over in the Genesis forum but he had no factual data whatsoever.

kenb757

Then, let's quit screwing around and get it confirmed. If Hyundai is smart, they will already have some planned solutions to the suspension issues. Of course, I can't vouch for the intelligence of a corporation, nor would I.

fedlawman

"First of all my comments are really only really relevent for the V8 with Tech package. For the V6 without many options your statement may be accurate. But for a loaded V8 trim Genesis I would completely disagree with you, it is not a bottom tier Luxury car and certainly not a family car thats sitting just above an accord."

I guess it depends on how you define luxury. In my opinion, while it's true that the V8 Genesis has more luxury features and a more powerful engine than the V6, I don't think "luxury" is defined by bells and whistles. The Genesis PLATFORM is a fine foundation for an upscale family car, but it is what it is - whether it's dressed in khakis and a polo shirt or a tuxedo.

It's a fantastic car that I like very much, but I still say that for the Genesis (in any trim) to truly belong in the LUXURY market, it needs that final nth of a degree of driveline and suspension polish and refinement that only the Europeans possess (no, Lexus isn't there either).

In my opinion, a base Mercedes or BMW with a cassette deck and vinyl seats is more of a "luxury" car than any current leather-clad, bejeweled beauty from Asia. You may not think so sitting in the parking lot, but put the cars in motion and the difference is clear.

espo35

Why would I lie?
I could care less if you buy a Hyundai or not.
They're selling like hot-cakes.
If you doubt I'm a Service Manager, post your VIN and I'll prove it.

espo35

Good post.

Of course Hyundai is "smart". Do you think they'd let $100.00 worth of shocks spoil the reputation of their $42,000, car of the year flagship?

pat

a number of personally directed posts have been removed. To those whose posts have vanished, be advised that if you cannot stick to the car and stop talking about other members you may find that you will be unable to post here at all.

You don't have to agree with the opinions others post here, but you do have to be civil. Attacking other members because you disagree with their perspective is not acceptable. Check your Membership Agreement and/or email me for further details.

jasonnw

Actually, that appears to be exactly what they are doing.

Good post.

Of course Hyundai is "smart". Do you think they'd let $100.00 worth of shocks spoil the reputation of their $42,000, car of the year flagship?

ergsum

http://www.autolinedetroit.tv/show/1221/2?play

bocatrip

Thank you Pat. It's nice to see that the forum is policed now and then to keep things in check. Unfortunately there are many forums online that are somewhat out of control with regards to personal attacks.

carolinabob

Since my response to this was removed, I'll repeat. I was told this by a national Hyundai official and not by a local dealer. Never saw it on any other forum. Wish I could give you the name and contact, but can't. Cars coming off line now are supposed to have a revised suspension, It would be good if Hyundai would tell what they are doing, but may be reluctant as it will affect sales of existing cars.
BTW, most of us have learned how little the dealers know about Hyundai policies, the cars and what is planned. I have yet to find one who even knows about the Hyundai Think Tank.

vjkaty

NHTSA Campaign ID Number : 09V125
MAKE / MODEL YEARS :

HYUNDAI / 2001-2003
SUBJECT : FRONT LOWER CONTROL ARMS RUSTING
NHTSA Campaign ID Number : 09V124
MAKE / MODEL YEARS :

HYUNDAI / 1999-2004
SUBJECT : FRONT SUB-FRAME CORROSION
NHTSA Campaign ID Number : 09V123
MAKE / MODEL YEARS :

HYUNDAI / 2001-2003
SUBJECT : REAR TRAILING ARM CORROSION FAILURE

NHTSA Campaign ID Number : 09V122
MAKE / MODEL YEARS :

HYUNDAI / 2005-2008
SUBJECT : STOP LAMP SWITCH ASSEMBLY

:lemon:

donna388

"Do you think they'd let $100.00 worth of shocks spoil the reputation of their $42,000,
car of the year flagship?"



I know that JasonNW did not say the above.

Where can anyone purchase any original Hyundai shocks,
even just a pair let alone all four for only $100? :confuse:

I'm sure that the Sachs built original Hyundai Genesis shocks list for considerably more! :surprise:

cpaman

Guys,

When i went to price a Genesis this weekend i saw one with a 'Geneis Emblem' on it, looked like a bentley emblem. Has anyone else seen this, if so does anyone know where i can get it to put on my car? I should be picking it up this weekend. I spoke to the dealer who had the car (not the same dealer I am got my car from) and he said that person went to the Hyundai Korean website and got it. I tried to access the site but i didn't see anything on it. Other then that the car ROCKS!!!! although during my test drive i DID notice the bumps in the road but i guess i was looking for it since i read all these posts telling me the suspension is bad, maybe it's a psychological thing,lol. Still it won't stop me from gettin it, damn that car looked good in black on black, even in the red with cream interior but since i have 2 kids under 7 that wasnt an options - damn here i go rambling,lol

tjn007

I found mine on eBay for the Hood, Trunk, Wheel Caps and Steering wheel.
Here are a couple of options:

eBay items #1

eBay items #2

I bought from the 2nd listing and had no trouble.

Good luck.

gensiscan

I don't have mine yet, but on this site you should find what you are looking for more pleasure with your GENESIS ;

"https://www.koreanautoimports.com/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=gen- esis"

link title

espo35

Here's how it works: If Hyundai deems a part they buy from a vendor unsuitable, that vendor (if it wants to retain Hyundai's business) will supply the replacement free of charge. Hyundai pays the labor (at warranty cost) to me (the dealer).

espo35

I have them. The trunk emblem looks great.... the hood emblem....not so much.

espo35

Two of my customers are part of the "Think Tank". One is a wholesale jeweler, the other a retired candy-factory employee. Neither of them knows anything about cars other than how to drive them. This is a layman feedback group, not a techno-weenie one.

carolinabob

espo35:
Your point being? I did not say it was a "techno-weenie" group, just that I have had several dealership employees, sales and service, at more than one dealership tell me they never heard of it.
"Neither of them knows anything about cars other than how to drive them." Hope my dealer doesn't talk about me this way and that your customers never learn of your opinions of them.

bobad

One is a wholesale jeweler, the other a retired candy-factory employee. Neither of them knows anything about cars other than how to drive them. This is a layman feedback group, not a techno-weenie one.

Which is probably for the best.

Probably 95% of luxury car owners are in that category. They just drive the car, and want something posh and comfortable, quiet and reliable, with great convenience and safety features.

If the techno guys get too much input on the car's design and features, you end up with a car which many of the features are superfluous or even unwanted by most prospective customers. For example, most of us wouldn't want rough riding 20" wheels, a whining limited slip differential, and a 100# subwoofer in the trunk.

backy

Good point. The ongoing discussion about the Genesis' ride quality is a case in point. I'll bet the "techno-weenies" would drool over the technical specs of the Genesis' suspension (cf. the raves that C/D made about the technical specs of the suspension, how advanced its design is etc.). But real-world performance is another matter. It is clear at least some percentage of Genesis owners and test-drivers don't find the Genesis' ride quality to their liking. So Hyundai needs to get input from the "average Joe/Jane" luxury car buyer on aspects like that as well as from technical experts.