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This option is for some of the guys I've been watching on TV.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
One concern I have with purchasing a Genesis is service from the dealer. Has anyone one out there had issues getting proper and courteous service from their Hyundai dealers? I know it will vary from dealer to dealer, but I am curious if Hyundai is trying to upgrade the dealer experience in service as well as sales for Genesis owners. Do dealers give you complimentary loaner cars when you Genesis is in for routine service?
Another concern I have is with rear wheel drive cars and winter traction here in the Cleveland area where we get our share of snow. Obviously, my LS 430 is rear wheel drive and when I bought the car it had Dunlap all season tires on it. I don't remember the specific tire model, but they were awful in the snow and in wet weather. I considered buying a set of snow tires, when a friend of mine recommended Goodyear Assurance Triple Tread all season tires. I put on a set of 4 and I must tell everyone out there that they have been great tires in the snow and rain. A significant improvement over the Dunlaps. Now the Triple Treads will not equal a good set of snow tires, but they are a great compromise for those who don't wish to buy a separate set of snows. And I already checked, Triple Treads are not made in the Genesis 4.6 tire size. The Genesis 4.6 has a rare tire size which means expensive replacement cost when they wear out.
Is the LS430 a RWD, or AWD? If you got by with RWD on the Lexus, you should get along fine with the Genesis.
But Cleve??? That's a FWD or 4WD town!
My concern is that the tire size on the Genesis 4.6 is a rare size and there are limited options for replacement. The OEM tires, I believe are Dunlaps, which may not be the best for Winter traction among all season tires. I'd rather not have to go the snow tire route. I will have to do more research on all season tire availability for 235/50/18 size tires.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?sortValue=1&filterType=all&resultsNum- berSelected=Y&displayResults=46&compare=true&compareList=&RunFlat=All&goWhere=%2- 52Ftires%252FCompare1.jsp&sortCode=&width=235%2F&ratio=50&diameter=18&startIndex- =0
There are three dedicated winter tires amongst this group:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?ratio=50&diameter=18&sortCode=&displa- yResults=46&RunFlat=All&sortValue=1&startIndex=0&resultsNumberSelected=Y&filterG- oWhere=Compare1&compareList=&width=235%2F&goWhere=%252Ftires%252FCompare1.jsp&co- mpare=true&filterType=all&search=true&startIndex=0&performance=W&x=13&y=10
- Yes, my parents have one.
Pretty much ALL the reviews (when the X3) came out talked about the overly harsh ride (not the same as the sedan).
While BMW has softened the tuning a bit over the years, even reviews today talk about the uncomfortable ride.
Last november Genesis was a potential option, and because of a lack of information on how this car will behave on snow i decide to wait until tomorrow to be a new owner of a 3.8. I have read all the posts in this forum and have taken note on the suspension issues that have been raised. After my roadtest i decide to accept the hard ride of the Genesis, compare to the ES350 of lexus where the suspension was to soft.
I am from Quebec city were snow is omnipresent 4-5 months per year. So by experience traction is easier than propulsion during winter time, but i remember my father during the 1970 (on winter 2 bags of sand was in the trunk).
In next november i will be able to give feed back on how genesis behave on snow.
Like Milwaukee WI. or the likes?
Thanks.......................
Great link.
And after reading i should'nt wait to the end of winter for the puchase.
Merci, cela sera très apprécié pour nous, les voisins du Nord (Quebec)
Why would your parents buy a car when they didn't like the ride on the test drives? Or is is just you that doesn't like the ride?
And it's not just me, pretty much every professional auto reviewer has commented on the X3's harsh ride - even those across the Pond such as the guys on Top Gear.
My parents were in a hurry to replace their 3 Series that was damaged in an accident so they didn't take a thorough test drive since they figured the ride would be similar to their BMWs (a 3 and 5).
So are you going to also argue that the interior of the X3 (esp. the earlier models) wasn't chinzy for a near $40k car?
Whether you like a firm ride or a soft ride, the Genesis ride is what it is. It's not a "problem" with the car, it's a "characteristic" of the car. Saying the Genesis has a "suspension problem" is just plain wrong, and going back and forth debating the suspension tuning is a waste of time.
Harshness, firmness, stiffness, etc. are all very subjective. Sometimes, a harsh ride can be fixed with different tires (remember, when BMW first switched to run-flats, there were many complaints of harshness - it's taken a few years for BMW to tweak it's tires/suspension settings).
I've driven the Genesis 3.8, and I found the ride more than acceptable. Yes, it lacked the nth degree of refinement of a BMW or Lexus, however, it was still pleasing. I also really like the cabin (except for the "headlights on" indicator light) and I think the exterior styling is nice (if somewhat anonymous).
Some folks like a flaccid Lexus ride, some prefer a firm BMW ride. I think the Genesis ride is somewhere in between (though I agree some harshness does sneak through - it's more like a hushed Honda). Overall though, I was very impressed with the car - for about $30,000, I think it's a heck of a lot of car for the money. You get luxury trappings, features, and build quality with a ride that's perfectly acceptable (though more family car than luxury car).
Actually, I guess that's how I personally characterize the Genesis - it's not a bottom-tier luxury car (competing with Lexus and BMW), it's a "tweener car" that sits above the Accord/Camry/Maxima.
After driving every late model BMW made except the 760 and Alpina, M5 and some other top of the line models, such as the Z8 and comparing them, the X3 does not have a jittery ride IMO as you describe.
I believe we are free to discuss any issues with these autos. I also think the X3 has a cheap looking interior and the ride is like a buckboard.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
I do believe the title of this thread is "2009 Hyundai Genesis", not "perceived Genesis suspension problems" .
Keep them coming folks. Let the discussions of everything Genesis go on!
I'm considering one. So, I happened over here, and find a couple of people don't like the way it rides. A little shocked by that. But, I suppose it's all about perception.
If you're looking for that Lexus type, Buick type, Town Car type of ride, you might be disappointed. But to say it's harsh? I don't get that impression, at all.
It is controlled, however. Matter of fact, I was surprised at how well it handled (and rode) given the size of the car. Matter of fact, the ride did remind me of a BMW I had a few years ago. It probably is more closely related to that "ride quality".
If you don't like that sort of ride, you might be disappointed. If you think it's harsh, then you're looking at the wrong type of car. I'd wander over to the Lexus or Buick store, if that's the case.
As far as the rest of the car, it's impressive....features, build quality, quality of materials, performance, (and I've only driven a V6), etc are pretty much the equal (sometimes exceed) the lux/sports models from traditional manufacturers.
Throw in the price that these are selling for, and I believe there are some well regarded German and Japanese manufacturers who should be very worried.
Yes, everybody has the right to their own views, but this gets carried away on this site most of the time.
Personally I prefer the styling of the Genesis to the sharp-edged CTS. That styling trend from Cadillac never grew on me. The Edmunds' reviewers liked it better than the Genesis' smoother, more traditional lines though. To each his own on styling.
Even though some including Edmunds have compared the Genesis to the CTS, and in fact Hyundai itself dared shoppers to compare the two in its Genesis test drive events last year, I don't think it's a very good comparison. I think the CTS matches up better with smaller cars like the 3 Series, maybe the 5 Series. The natural competition for the Genesis in the luxury class is I think bigger cars like the DTS, and the GS and LS. And also sedans like the MKS, 300C, and S80.
I've never driven a CTS. A colleague has one, though. Pretty car, no doubt. I've been in his several times, but only as a passenger.
I also think the CTS is more of a competitor to the 3 Series, G, TL, etc.
Comparo was pretty much dead on. I kind of slot the ride of the Genesis to split the difference between an Infinit M/CTS and a BMW 3 or 5.
I do wish I could find a V8 to test drive, though.
Aside from the "loadedness" or performance of a Genensis (didn't know a V6 would yield 6.5 secs), Street prices of a V6 Tech is a hair over $36K. V8 w/Tech somewhere in the $38K plus a bit.
Load up a CTS, an M, a 3 or 5 series like for like, the price discrepancy is going to be pretty large. For a Genesis that performs so closely to the others, with the build, quality of materials, features, it's a very compelling package.
You and carolinabob would certainly like to turn every Hyundai forum into a Hyundai bashing lollapalooza, but that won't happen. Some of us want to hear all types of information on the Genesis, not just your one-sided conjecture.
1. Fit, finish, etc. is outstanding. Not a squeak, rattle or vibration.
2. Curvature of rocker panel near rear wheel opening tends to collect road spray which does not do the paint any favors. My car has mud guards, which may come in to play aerodynamically.
3. Interior (seats, etc.) still look new. Comfortable seats with texture that holds you in place during cornering, etc.
4. Small but strange glitch in the Nav/Traffic system. About half the time when the “Traffic” notification appears, as I work through the menu and select a particular accident, it brings up what I would call “upside-down” information. It will indicate that the accident is south of my current location and it gives the specific location (highway, mile marker, intersection, etc.) which I know for absolute certainty is to the north of my current location. It does not do this every time but it is frequent. I have no way of knowing if my Nav system is the culprit or if the problem is in the police/highway department system. The strange thing is that the arrow always points in the correct direction of the accident.
5. I still think this engine/transmission combo is as good as it gets for a six cylinder lugging around a large sedan. I have driven the 4.6 eight and was surprised at how little difference I felt. Yes, the eight pulls away at 80MPH and above but there is little to no difference from zero to 60 or in any kind of normal driving. I would have opted for the eight cylinder but it had not been introduced when I bought mine.
6. Great fuel mileage on trips as long as I can find gas with no ethanol. I consistently get 27 to 29 MPG and I drive 85 MPH where possible. I get at least 2 MPG less with fuel containing ethanol.
7. Let’s cut through all the crap going back and forth regarding the suspension! In Hyundai’s efforts to make the car both sporty and luxurious, they missed the mark on both. It corners great and it is a dream to drive on well paved surfaces. However, on streets or roads that have bumps, holes, or undulations, it is too stiff and transmits too much of the stiffness to the passengers. Don’t even consider overinflating the tires! My previous four cars were the Mercedes E Class, Acura TL, BMW 5 Series, and a Lexus LS. For my taste, BMW hit the mark dead-on for being both sporty and pleasant on ANY surface. Now at the risk of being accused of speaking out of both sides of my mouth, I like the Genesis anyway because I am a high-mileage driver and 90% of my travel is on reasonably good roads. As a matter of fact, I love traveling in this thing!
8. No more battery drain problems since they found the hood switch out of position (see my previous posts).
9. The best sound system ever! Great navigation system. Very well thought out instrument toggle control (much better than BMW’s “I-Drive”).
10. Tires are performing and wearing great. It looks like I could easily achieve 40,000 miles on them but I probably will swap them out at 30K because I am so anal.
Sorry for the length of this post but I have tried in all my posts to give my real-world Genesis experience rather than using this forum to have a running battle with the same three or four bloggers that obviously have more time to kill than I do. However, since I have about as much seat-time in a Genesis as anyone, I will be happy to field any questions that serious participants may have.
I love the Lancer GTS, it's a great car and it's looks still send shivers down my spine. But it's the money...she wanted to add another 100,000 miles on the Sportage 4X4. It had 130,000 miles on it and it was a great small SUV to own and operate. We only had 2 payments left on it, too! Things may go differently with the Lancer GTS, I mean, we may run this compact sedan for another 200,000 miles, I'm getting the feeling.
Are you thinking new Genesis sedan, allmet33? It looks like a winning large RWD sedan so far, and the new Genesis Coupe looks like it will be a winner, too.
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You don't know what you are talking about. I never "bashed" any car. I challenged peoples perceptions, which does not amount to the same thing.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0905_hyundai_genesis_coupe_mustan- g_fighter_or_cut_price_nissan_370z/index.html
In that case, so should the G37 and Mazda RX-8 (esp. the RX-8 w/ a 7.0s 0-60 time), as well as the V-6 'Stang.
The one glaring difference between the Genesis Coupe and Mustang GT/370z, would be the $4k-$8K price advantage the Genesis Coupe holds over both cars.
Thanks!
If I were making that decision, I wiould still go with the Genesis even though my posts have included some criticisms along with several kudos. I think the Genesis offers a lot of car for the money.
No, the suspension has not changed characteristics as the miles stack up. If you put 25K per year, you are also a fairly high-mileage owner and you must be doing a significant amount of highway driving. Even in town, the Genesis is still great to get around in so long as you know that a few streets are going to transmit a very firm ride. And this may not be very convincing, but you do become "conditioned" to the firm ride to a large degree until you rent a soft-riding car and then crawl back into the Genesis. Remember to keep the tire pressure at factory specs and no more!
Regarding ethanol vs "real" gas, I have found that even in the same area, some stations of the same brand do not always have the same blend. You will find that it is very hard to find pure gasoline in some states. I visited my daughter in Stafford, VA and never did find gas without ethanol. I use gas from Costco which is normally priced well and contains no ethanol (at least where I live). The Genesis will not quite achieve the 26 MPG overall average of your Altama unless you are mostly on the highway but I don't know of anything its size or quality that will beat it except for the Mercedes E320 CDI (diesel) I had, which was phenominal.
Hope this helps!
After reading the user guide of my Genesis, i notice that the function "easy access" doesn't work properly.
The user guide said ; when you turn off the engine, the driver seat should go back, and the stearing should move away from the driver. These two(2) functions should operate once the engine is turn off.
Well, in my case only the stearing move away. The driver doesn't move.
I check with Hyundaï-canada, and they don't understand what is my problem. I check with the dealer and i have to see a technician.
I don't have the navigation system, so i cannot see on the car settings options if they are ON or OFF.
Is someboby has this problem, is the user guide is correct ?
Désolé pour mon anglais.
Is the seat already all the way back? In cars with this feature if the seat is already back all the way there is nothing else for the system to do.
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The driver SEAT doesn't move....
In my case the driver seat is not all the way back.
But I did the test by moving the driver seat as forward as possible, and breathing started to be non natural... So at that position i turn off the engine, and only the steering-wheel moved away. The driver seat stayed at the same place.
My concern is the user guide, it said, the driver seat (page 4-34, 4-35 by memory) should move away, same as the steering.
So maybe the user guide is not correct ??
In my case this the way the car acted when i turn off the engine.
I can live with that, but actually with my knee problem is something i am missing.
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My Azera also had the easy exit disabled. Wen to the dealer, he attached a scanner/handheld unit, waded through the menus & turned on 'Easy Exit'. Simple.
Considering the level of knowledge of a typical Hyundai service department however, they may say there's nothing like it. Don't believe them. Persist with them or go to another competent dealer.
Good luck!
If Hyundai works this suspension problem out - they will have a real winner on their hands (not that its chopped liver now, though...).
Oh well, strike the Hyundai Genesis off my shopping list! The primitive suspension and subpar seats mentioned above were enough to dis-suade me.
Shoot - and I was hopeful for the Genesis.
Unfortunately I can't wait until a new model or even a mid-model refresh (to address these 2 QC/design issues) to come out before I buy. Back to Toyota & Honda.
Back again, to convince us of how sub-par the Genesis is? And where are these "several opinions" about the Genesis' ride? All I've seen are the same people repeatedly posting the same garbage in different forums. Are those the opinions you're referring to? PLEASE. I know a futile mud-flinging campaign when I see one, and I know I'm not the only one.
Don't let the paranoid bullies chase you away like they have everyone else. They find it easier to imagine nefarious plots rather than admit that some people have had a complaint or concern with the ride of the Genesis. They also can't read or hold more than one piece of info in their brains at a time. There are indeed several people who have made many posts (it's called a dialouge), but there are also many individual comments about suspension concerns - many people only posted once or twice until the bullies drove them away or they got their questions answered and moved on.