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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Is there a "4 banger" you feel would have lasted longer, under these conditions? To kind of switch this to midsize sedans, I think Accord 4 bangers would have held up better.
  • ew3074ew3074 Posts: 20
    You may want to check this out
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    Dashboard is so not Toyota
  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Posts: 425
    You may want to check this out

    ewwwww(3074), I think most of us have seen a camry; as one of the best selling cars, it's hardly a secret. Even though it's only been out for a year, they are everywhere...if you see the same thing over and over and over and over again, I think by default it becomes a bit boring despite having an amusingly large bulbous nose. And btw...it seems you're picturing a car that is not even available here...the taillights on your pic are completely wrong for US models. Why show us something that is not available here? yawn, those pics make me tired. Time to go to bed...
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    As you can tell from the URL in the background of the last shot, those photos were taken in China.

    I think with most modern cars, a properly maintained vehicle will last far beyond 100K miles, regardless of brand. Preventive maintenance is the key, not only with oil changes, but everything else.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,906
    Camry: 42,000
    Accord: 36,000
    Altima: 27,000
    Prius: 19,000
    Fusion: 16,000
    Malibu: 14,000
    G6: 12,000
    Sonata: 11,000

    At this point, it seems unlikely that any car in the near future is going to unseat the Camry, especially with the Subaru factory in Indiana gearing up to produce 100,000 more a year (but I do wonder if Toyota really can sell more than 500,000 of this car a year). The Accord is a solid but distant second, and the Altima is a solid but distant third.

    The big surprises to me at this point are two: The Prius is now #4, and saw sales increase by 130% over the previous year. The second surprise is how far down the list the Sonata is, and even more shocking is that sales are down 40% from last year's pace.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,909
    The Accord could easily overtake the Camry when the all-new Accord debuts later this year. The current model is five years old; the Camry was recently redesigned. Also, the Camry's numbers include a large number of sales to fleets; almost all the Accord's numbers are to individuals. The limitation with the Accord will be production, as you noted.

    Hyundai has deliberately cut back on Sonata sales to fleets this year, so that is part of the reason for the dropoff from last year, when many Sonatas went into fleets. Also, incentives have been lower so far this year than last year, when they were $3000 total for most of the year on V6 models.

    The Prius has had incentives for the first time recently, and $3.00+ a gallon gas doesn't hurt Prius sales either.

    Malibu numbers should pick up later this year also, when the all-new and improved Malibu comes out.
  • I know this is superficial, but I've gotten used to if there is a half-moon cut-out for a chrome exhaust tip on one side, then there ought to be a matching one on the other side, or the exhaust should just be hidden. I know this is a 2.0 engined car, so it's not going to have duals. I know the Altima 2.5-3.5 don't have real duals, but I like the way they finally made nice-looking dual chrome tips in the rear valance instead of playing around like they did so many years with a little cut-out on one side with two pipes turned down and so on. That's one of the things that I found strange on the Mazdaspeed 3--here's this high performance car with a half-moon cut out on one side with a big chrome tip in the rear, just begging to be balanced with one on the other side.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    The people who bought the 2.5 Altima may not be as excited about the dual exhaust outlets, if they ever have to have the exhaust system replaced (added expense). I see no real reason to have the dual outlets on V6 engines, except for "looks". Not so long ago, even V8 cars had single exhaust. I do agree, it looks cool though. I wonder how much more the 07 2.5 Altima exhaust cost, than the 06 system did.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Exhaust systems are all stainless these days aren't they? They last a really long time...the life of the vehicle in many (most?) cases.

    I like the dual look on my 4 cyl Mazda6. This only adds one small muffler and a bit of pipe, not a big deal, if it ever needs replacing. I have found that exhaust system work is a lot cheaper if you find a place that will weld in new parts, rather than going to Midas, et. al. and having them sell you an entire new system, because that is all they are set up to do.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    The muffler on my old Accord lasted about 5 years. The factory muffler was $220 (not including installation). If I would have to replace two of them, I would have been looking at double that $440. Of course, if you don't keep the car that long, it becomes the next guy's problem. But it will cost more, sooner or later, for whoever has to change it.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 21,381
    The exhaust systems on my Lesabres have lasted 10 years and were doing fine on the one car I did trade.

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The exhaust system on my Accord bought new in Nov. 1995 is still on there today, 172,000 miles later.

    I could count on one hand the number of times it has been driven in snow, however, so salt/rust isn't a problem.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    My old Accord had never been driven in snow either, but the muffler had a hole in it, and the pipe going to the muffler also had a hole (where it goes over the suspension). That's why I decided to buy the factory muffler, it included the pipe going to the muffler, and was an easy bolt-on. They don't all last forever. The truck (96 chevy) I drive to work has dual exhaust too, and the exhaust is shot. It will have to be changed soon. I may just go with single this time. Maybe both are a result of short distance driving. The moisture stays in the exhaust pipe, and eventually rusts it out from the inside.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    172k miles grad. Wow! That exhaust has to have a hole in it somewhere.
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    my nissan 200sx has original exhaust on it. thats 150k miles over 9 years. its driven in rain and snow ever year.
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    I doubt it would be easy. the 2008 model will undoubtly cost more, and those 1500-2000 dollar rebates everybody here says honda is offering will dissapear.

    $2000 rebates have got to be helping prop the sales up a bit.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    If all mufflers lasted that long, Midas (among others) would be out of business. I hear a lot of cars pass my house every day, and many of them need a new muffler.
  • ew3074ew3074 Posts: 20
    Why? I just wanna show you guys a Japan version of Camry. They have better cars that the US does. It is relatively sporty, don't you think? I don't understand why the US version of Japanese cars are always worse except the engine size
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,601
    Friends, mufflers and exhaust pipes rust from the inside out. Driving in rain or snow has no more affect than driving exclusively in a desert.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    That's why I think repeated short distance drives are the reason my exhaust didn't last very long (5-6 years).
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,601
    Elroy, I agree. Those short trips don't allow the exhaust to heat up sufficiently to "burn off" the moisture in the exhaust gas.
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    Yes, short trips and the resultant moisture in the exhaust system, is what kills mufflers, cats, and all exhaust parts. It's also not very good on engines.

    The factory muffler was $220 - ouch. I stopped buying exhaust parts, or systems, at the dealer a long time ago. I found a source of truly OEM parts - made by exactly the same vendor that supplies to Honda, etc. - but, at a fraction of the cost. I recently replaced my entire exhaust system from the exhaust manifold to the exhaust time, including the cat, for less than $300. Of course, I did the dirty work myself, and labor is a significant part of exhaust work.
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    well, mine has lasted that long, and it is the longest i've ever kept a muffler on a car. My inspection sticker expires this month, so I'll let you know if it passes. I'll also be watching my rear brakes. They're original too. I figured they'd need replacing last year, but they didn't.

    But, the short distance thing may explain it. 80% of that cars miliage is to and from work. thats about 25 miles each way with hardly any lights or stop signs and little (if any) traffic. about 22 of those 25 miles are 60mph crusing.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Camry: 42,000
    Accord: 36,000
    Altima: 27,000
    Prius: 19,000
    Fusion: 16,000
    Malibu: 14,000
    G6: 12,000
    Sonata: 11,000


    Wow. Only 11,000 Sonatas sold in March!? Where are all the pundits from 6 months ago that were predicting the Sonata would sell huge and move way up this list?

    What amazes me is the Accord can still sell 36,000 units with a wheezing design and style. Unbelievable market acceptance. When the 08 Accord debuts - watch out.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Wow. Only 11,000 Sonatas sold in March!? Where are all the pundits from 6 months ago that were predicting the Sonata would sell huge and move way up this list?

    I was thinking the same thing. Where are they now? One car does not make a reputation, it seems.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    That's why I think repeated short distance drives are the reason my exhaust didn't last very long (5-6 years).

    Hondas are the only cars I've been responsible for where I had to replace an exhaust system.

    Its not a killer expense, its not going to make me love one brand and hate another, but its interesting.
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    What amazes me is the Accord can still sell 36,000 units with a wheezing design and style. Unbelievable market acceptance. When the 08 Accord debuts - watch out.

    might have something to do with huge rebates you can get on them. If they can maintain their 17% or so increases selling at sticker..............then that will be something. and toyota might have to watch out.

    and, I wouldn't call the design or style wheezing. I think the current sales may be a testament to how ahead of its time the last redesign was.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    The cat, or any other part of the exhaust, was never changed in 12 years, and 140k miles. Only the parts farthest from the heat of the engine, where the moisture took longer to evaporate. The metal termites are having a feast on my Chevy truck exhaust, because I drive less than one mile to and from work twice a day. But I'm not exactly going to drive around town for 5 more miles (burning more gas), to save my exhaust.
  • oldcemoldcem Posts: 309
    I'm inclined to agree with you. I think the larger Accord 4 holds up better. I've owned 4 other 4 cylinder cars that held up better here than the Civics did. Three of them were Ford Escorts, the other was a German built Ford Fiesta.

    Regards:
    OldCEM
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,124
    I cannot find the post. Someone said the Honda Accord 5spd I4 was considerbly faster than the 5spd I4 Fusion? Car and Driver posts a 0-60 of 8.1 seconds for the Fusion I4 5spd. What is it for the Accord? The lowest I find is a 8.0 for a Honda Accord 5spd I4. Now really much difference?? :confuse:
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