Just remember which corporations are behind those Tea Parties supported by the right-wing base. I don't agree with how Obama spending tax payer money but those same groups said nothing when Bush was giving away no-bid contracts and giving military contracts to foreign companies when Boeing could use the work.
Yes lemko it is true. You can youtube Norwegian girls and see some of the hottest women on the planet if you like tall blondes like me. The funny thing is Beth is a Brunette and is Swedish and Native American. I'm usually a blonde type of a guy but there are exceptions to the rule.
-Rocky
P.S. I like some of those German Girls too though!!! :P I think Mr. Fintail will tell you how hot some of them are also.
Sinclair company officials say that some of their oil comes from the New York Mercantile Exchange -- and that means it could be sourced from Middle Eastern countries. Kaufman concedes that because oil is a "fungible" commodity, it's "hard to confirm exactly where it comes from. To tell you the truth most companies cannot guarantee that."
More smoke and mirrors Rocky. Clever gimmick for the gullible. If it is cheaper I would buy it. I will stick with Costco gas. They have a fast turnover and you are assured of fresh gas. We have stations now that are owned by Russian companies and Chavez companies. At least the guy tending the pumps at my Costco is a Teamster.
Not everyone can buy gas sourced from the US or Canada. I consider Canada less of a good neighbor than Mexico. Canada just takes, takes, takes from the US. Mexico keeps giving US cheap labor.. :sick:
My point is college does not have to be expensive. If you are on a tight budget you go to a local college and live at home.
Very true. I live about 10 miles from the University of Illinois. We also have a community college that has a pretty good reputation with local employers but only costs around $92/ credit hr which is about a 1/3 of what U of I charges.
We've beat this college degree topic to death. But the fact remains unemployment for those with a 4yr degree or more is about a 1/3 of the rate for those w/o. Plus it does matter what you get your degree in. I'm sure a PHD in history offers different prospects for employment and earnings vs. a PHD in physics, medicine, or engineering.
FWIW, as a Bush voter, there were MANY things on his plate that I did not agree with, but I felt that Gore or Kerry would be much worse...I cannot bring myself to vote Libertarian, even tho I fit the desription, as I believe I would only serve to guarantee a victory to a liberal Democrat...
Bush infuriated his base with his stance on illegal immigration, Medicare Part D, increase in Federal spending, just to name a few...add to that the Terry Schiavo incident, where the Fed gov't stepped in where they had NO jurisdiction or any business at all, and many of us were PO'd...except the religious right, who need to get a grip that Schiavo was better off dead 10 years ago, but some people simply do not know when to pull the plug...
Oddly enough, when looking at the recent UAW stance in the light of GM Ch 11, they, too, cannot see the plug is about to be pulled out from under their noses...that gravy train is over, too...
If UAW floorsweepers are not paid $25/hour, what ARE they paid, and how much does one cost GM in terms of matched Soc Sec, Comp, and all other costs associated with employment???...if you don't lie my number, what IS the cost to GM for a UAW floorsweeper???
For all of your crazy entitlement attitudes, which will change over the next 2 years as reality sets in, this is something I absolutely agree with you...but you forgot the nuclear bombs, 100 starving pitbulls, and laser beams...
I said spent fuel causing radiation poisoning!!! What more do you want??? :P One uranium pellet that is fed boric acid in a metal clad will cause enough fission that if you stood on the 50 yard line and ran torwards the endzone you would drop dead from radiation poisoning before you reached the endzone acording to our Control Room Operators at Palisades. If you owned the top of a dry fuel storage cell and jumped over the exposed part you would be dead before you hit the ground. That is how powerful that stuff is pal.
And then , if they survive that, it would only grant them ANOTHER try to start all over again...if they survive 5 attempts (do I hear 6, can I get 6, do I hear 7?) maybe we will grant them temporary residence for 6 months...and then go thru it all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They would not survive. It would be impossible.
gagrice, if I could, I would build a 20 story high wall that went into the ground another 20 stories, and fence it off with razorwire and bombs...I have had it with illegal immigration, and I do not agree with either the Repub or Democratic reasons for it...
Well that makes 3 of us then!!!!
If 20 million of us decided to stop paying our taxes, the IRS (another good reason for the Fair Tax) would find all 20 million of us in an hour...then they can find all 20 million illegal immigrants and deport them...since I also classify them as foreign invaders, border patrol with orders to shoot to kill would help...all you need is about 50 shot dead and another 50 million would think twice about coming here...
Can't say I disagree. Known terrorist have came up from the border south of us pal. That is a known fact.
I am getting a little nauseous and must leave...the sensation of being in total agreement with rocky is having a detrimental effect on me...any more of this and the next thing you know I might even eat in the same restaurant where known Democrats eat...perish the thought...fortunately, with Hapeville (Ford) and Doraville (GM) closing, I do NOT have to deal with active UAW...thanks for small favors...
You might be surprised that just how much you and them agree on some subject such as immigration. You might sit at the same table. :P
BTW...post a picture of Beth in a car...nobody asked for you...and don't forget the cleavage...HERS...
LOL, I think she would be uncomfortable with me posting just a picture of her. She doesn't think she is all that and is part of the reason why I love and care about her so much.
"They can't comprehend what it's like to tear a machine apart and put it back togeather again and get there hands dirty"...your ignorance is showing again...
My father owned an auto machine shop...we sold auto parts in the front (American only until 1980, when enough Japanese cars were here to start stocking simple stuff like tune-up parts) and had a machione shop in the rear...I did valve jobs on heads, cut rotors and drums (long before each repair shop could do their own), installed bearings on axles with a multi-ton press, overhauled starters and alternators, cut armatures, did some engine work...I spent many summers covered in filth, grease, dirt, 10-40 oil, you name it...it would take 10 days for the dirt to finally work its way out of my fingerprints and they would look clean...scrubbing with a brush did not help, I just looked dirty for 10 days...I have been there, done that, and have worked in more filth and grease than many others...I know what it is like and no one will tell me otherwise...
Which is why I went to school to hopefully improve myself...some think I have, some don't... :P ...
But I have been in the dirt (5 summers in 110 degree heat in the shop as it had poor ventilation)...and I know what it is like...
FWIW, as a Bush voter, there were MANY things on his plate that I did not agree with, but I felt that Gore or Kerry would be much worse...I cannot bring myself to vote Libertarian, even tho I fit the desription, as I believe I would only serve to guarantee a victory to a liberal Democrat...
Well I might vote 3rd party next time just for the principal of the matter.
Bush infuriated his base with his stance on illegal immigration, Medicare Part D, increase in Federal spending, just to name a few...add to that the Terry Schiavo incident, where the Fed gov't stepped in where they had NO jurisdiction or any business at all, and many of us were PO'd...except the religious right, who need to get a grip that Schiavo was better off dead 10 years ago, but some people simply do not know when to pull the plug...
I'm surprised we agree regarding Schiavo. :surprise:
Oddly enough, when looking at the recent UAW stance in the light of GM Ch 11, they, too, cannot see the plug is about to be pulled out from under their noses...that gravy train is over, too...
I think they are vegetables either way. :sick:
If UAW floorsweepers are not paid $25/hour, what ARE they paid, and how much does one cost GM in terms of matched Soc Sec, Comp, and all other costs associated with employment???...if you don't lie my number, what IS the cost to GM for a UAW floorsweeper???
There isn't any UAW floorsweepers left. That position has been outsourced like way too many. Delphi, learned it's lesson a few weeks ago it was cheaper having the Millwrights do a job for them than contracting it out. My step-dad said they did it before the deadline and under budget. They had a steak dinner last week and management was suprised and learned a lesson that they are worth there wages.
The GM pension fund has enough money to cover all current retirees for the next 50-60 years. At one time there was enough money to cover them all for the next 80 years but it lost some wealth during the crash.
Maybe this article is wrong, but it claims GM's pension is $20 billion underfunded as of Nov, '08.
My original point was regarding fees. Pensions pay management fees too, just like any active or passively managed fund. They all have some type of associated administrative fees.
Is capitalism a true success, or is it just finding a slower failure?
Heilbroner undoubtedly was another prototypical one worlder too.
Both are just old bastards with no real world experience who currently reside in a hot place. Scum.
This summary from the Economist says everything about Mises:
"Professor von Mises has a splendid analytical mind and an admirable passion for liberty; but as a student of human nature he is worse than null and as a debater he is of Hyde Park standard."
My father owned an auto machine shop...we sold auto parts in the front (American only until 1980, when enough Japanese cars were here to start stocking simple stuff like tune-up parts) and had a machione shop in the rear...I did valve jobs on heads, cut rotors and drums (long before each repair shop could do their own), installed bearings on axles with a multi-ton press, overhauled starters and alternators, cut armatures, did some engine work...I spent many summers covered in filth, grease, dirt, 10-40 oil, you name it...it would take 10 days for the dirt to finally work its way out of my fingerprints and they would look clean...scrubbing with a brush did not help, I just looked dirty for 10 days...I have been there, done that, and have worked in more filth and grease than many others...I know what it is like and no one will tell me otherwise...
You are an exception to the rule. You aren't a executive of a large corporation and you weren't involved with Skull & Bones nor attended Yale, right??? :P
Which is why I went to school to hopefully improve myself...some think I have, some don't... ...
But I have been in the dirt (5 summers in 110 degree heat in the shop as it had poor ventilation)...and I know what it is like...
Do you???
Remember I worked in Manufacturing in a few of my previous jobs. When I worked at a dairy I was pulling spoiled skim milk fat out of a machine. The sour milk was all over my uniform and the Mosquitos were eating me like a a starving hebrew slave at the Old Country Buffett. It was 130 degrees and steam from the pasteurization was blowing everywhere. I had nicks and scrapes and bites all over my neck, face, arms, hands.....I was a hot mess. I had my fair share of bad jobs also.
Sweden doesn't have the economy that Norway does pal. Two different cultures despite them looking a lot of like. Gagrice will say that Sweden doesn't have the oil that Norway, does which is true. Thought I'd make that point for gagrice. :P
If you can't see the difference between Canada and Mexico I feel sorry for you!!! One is a 1st world nation with human and enviromental laws while the other is 3rd world nation where people drink water that is polluted. Go eat something from Mexico. You will have the "runs" for a few days!!!
Perhaps a return of "tent cities" will make a come back in this brave new world?
There are a lot of them already, How many tent cities are there in Michigan? 300 Tent city Tent city eviction
They have nary a clue what it's like to have to work and their arrogance and ignorance call people that are making them money "floor sweepers" or "lawn mowers" despite never doing any of those menial jobs themselves in there lives. They can't comprehend what it's like to tear a machine apart and put it back togeather again and get there hands dirty.
Yet you idolize these types, Kennedy's, Roosevelt, Wagoner, Obama, Edwards etc etc. None ever did an honest days hard labor. I would put em all in a chain gang. They are criminals whether you like them or not. They are the Elitist in this country you and Fintail love to rail against.
So which do you prefer diesel??? Kal-Kan or Alpo??? Yummmy!
>Reagan, added more debt to the deficit than any other president
Hold on, check on BO here. 88 days?
I liked the way they finagled the accounting with Clinton while there was a debt to make it look like no debt was left for the years. If you just don't count some things... they, well, don't get counted.
It's duplicity. Like BO worrying about the democrat's pet of "torture" and thinking this is bad, but it's okay to use drones in Pakistan and BO bombed the homes of certain enemies killing them and their wives and children. I guess killing is okay but creative psychological compulsion is not okay. Hmmmm. Duplicity.
Anyhow I love how the liberals still anger at the mere mention of Reagan.
>Just remember which corporations are behind those Tea Parties
Another smear tactic by the left because the TEA parties show a large group of dissatified voters out here. They have tried to marginalize them by suggesting they were promoted by FOX and other corporations which are evil (mostly meaning they don't donate to the rich democrats).
They've even called the tea bagging parties which has a dark meaning that only the 360 host, Anderson Coooper, could comment on without being ridiculed. I listened to a minority activist station with about 100 listeners in Cincy on the way to N. Ky to visit a friend in the hospital today. They were using the tea bagging term to ridicule the events, were stating the participants were rural folk who'd come to the city to tell them what to do, and were suggesting everyone is afraid of the book which Chavex gave to BO which has jumped to 2nd on Amazon now.
In reality the TEA party in Cincy is heavily advertised by Libertarians. Same here in Dayton. It's not Obama haters; it's spending haters. It's a lot of sincere people; not a bunch of political hacks. It's a lot of educated people; not under-educated folk.
There are a lot of them already, How many tent cities are there in Michigan? 300 Tent city Tent city eviction
I was only kidding!!! :surprise: WOW!!! :sick:
Yet you idolize these types, Kennedy's, Roosevelt, Wagoner, Obama, Edwards etc etc. None ever did an honest days hard labor. I would put em all in a chain gang. They are criminals whether you like them or not. They are the Elitist in this country you and Fintail love to rail against.
Wagoner was a star basketball player thus I can give him a break.
Following high school, he moved to Los Angeles in 1979 to attend Occidental College.[24] After two years he transferred in 1981 to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations[25] and graduated with a B.A. in 1983. He worked for a year at the Business International Corporation[26][27] and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[28][29]
After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago, where he was hired as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. He worked there as a community organizer from June 1985 to May 1988.[28][30] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000. He helped set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[31] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[32] In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time to Europe for three weeks and then for five weeks in Kenya, where he met many of his paternal relatives for the first time.[33] He returned in August 2006 in a visit to his father's birthplace, a village near Kisumu in rural western Kenya.[34]
Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988. He was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review at the end of his first year,[35] and president of the journal in his second year.[36] During his summers, he returned to Chicago, where he worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[37] After graduating with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna [non-permissible content removed] laude[38][39] from Harvard in 1991, he returned to Chicago.[35] Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review gained national media attention[36] and led to a publishing contract and advance for a book about race relations,[40] though it evolved into a personal memoir. The manuscript was published in mid-1995 as Dreams from My Father.[40]
Well since your idol Dubya left him the worst mess in our nations history the only way to recover out of this recession is to spend our way out of it. Most economist say it's not enough. It would be like me selling you a new car that was dirty and on empty. Those are unexpected costs I'm making you to take on. Get it? :P
I liked the way they finagled the accounting with Clinton while there was a debt to make it look like no debt was left for the years. If you just don't count some things... they, well, don't get counted.
You are talking about the budget surplus the right likes to spin as a half-truth??? :confuse: The difference is Clinton knew how to pay as he went while Dubya like everything he's ever ran well ends up in the red. Name me one thing Dubya has ever rank in the black. For god sakes he couldn't make a baseball team in one of the biggest markets make a profit thus their should of never been any suprise how he would run his administration.
It's duplicity. Like BO worrying about the democrat's pet of "torture" and thinking this is bad, but it's okay to use drones in Pakistan and BO bombed the homes of certain enemies killing them and their wives and children. I guess killing is okay but creative psychological compulsion is not okay. Hmmmm. Duplicity.
Anyhow I love how the liberals still anger at the mere mention of Reagan.
It's one thing to kill as there will be no suffering and another to torture a obvious violation of the Geneva Convention. Are we not suppose to take the moral high ground??? I want them dead as much as you do thus lets get the trial rolling and get em' hung. Reagan, wasn't in control. His mental state was far too gone. Nancy, was in control along with her lobbiest and her psychic network of friends that looked to the stars for answers. :suprise:
Another smear tactic by the left because the TEA parties show a large group of dissatified voters out here. They have tried to marginalize them by suggesting they were promoted by FOX and other corporations which are evil (mostly meaning they don't donate to the rich democrats).
Again where were they when Bush was on his spending spree. Double Standard, No???
They've even called the tea bagging parties which has a dark meaning that only the 360 host, Anderson Coooper, could comment on without being ridiculed. I listened to a minority activist station with about 100 listeners in Cincy on the way to N. Ky to visit a friend in the hospital today. They were using the tea bagging term to ridicule the events, were stating the participants were rural folk who'd come to the city to tell them what to do, and were suggesting everyone is afraid of the book which Chavex gave to BO which has jumped to 2nd on Amazon now.
The GOP offers no solutions and only babbles to get the base fired up. They have became a party of critics with no substance.
In reality the TEA party in Cincy is heavily advertised by Libertarians. Same here in Dayton. It's not Obama haters; it's spending haters. It's a lot of sincere people; not a bunch of political hacks. It's a lot of educated people; not under-educated folk.
Again where were these people for the last 8 years??? Bush ran this country into the ground and because McSame got his [non-permissible content removed] handed to him they are now crying foul??? Sounds very hypocritical to me!!!
I don't like ACORN. They are fraud. The democrats want the votes and the republicans want the cheap labor for there business buddies. That is the simplest way I can boil it down in a few sentences.
If she can squeeze that many miles out of a Chevy she was not all bad. I have only bought one new vehicle that I kept to 100k miles. A 1974 Dodge Van. It was probably UAW built and a decent vehicle.
We got 225K out of our 1994 UAW-built Mercury Villager. Our gardener is still driving it at over 240K. Of course it is a Nissan engine and transmission. I can also tell you that the assembly quality sucked. Crooked glovebox door and map light console. The soundproofing in the engine compartment was torn up at brand new delivery. The speedometer had an electrical short. But overall a solid vehicle. We replaced it 1.5 years ago with a used Odyssey.
That was the same year mine was. Is yours a stick with the tech pkg??? I had summer tires with the brembo brakes. I took mine up to 147 mph in 5th gear at around 11 at night like a dumb [non-permissible content removed].
My Acura TL is unfortunately an automatic, as my wife does not like stick. I got rid of a 1998 Audi A4 5-speed to get it. I still really miss that Audi. A wonderful car except for repair costs. The Acura has lots of gadgets but is a bit too big and floaty for my tastes. I've had it to 110 at night. It does not handle like the Audi, but is still good compared to most American iron.
For all of your crazy entitlement attitudes, which will change over the next 2 years as reality sets in, this is something I absolutely agree with you...but you forgot the nuclear bombs, 100 starving pitbulls, and laser beams...
The reality is that capitalism works. If we did not provide the jobs and benefits we would not have to spend $$billions to lock up the border. Then the UAW workers would have more job alternatives. The solution is within our reach, we just don't have the will to deal with it.
Like drugs. We're trying to fight capitalism. There is a DEMAND. The problem is us. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different outcomes.
The west has created 99% of the progress and innovation seen in this world. The west can reap the rewards.
I'm ok with that. But then we should stop trading with others, right? We have this bit of a problem called oil.
No worse than the ideals of the born on third base "capitalists" you will die to protect, no?
Why is an entitlement mentality for a group worse than an entitlement mentality for a few?
Not sure what this first statement means. "Entitlement", "elites", "globalists", "one worlders", "powers that be" -- lots of nice ambiguous words. Why don't we get into specifics so we aren't just blathering? Should the US be entitled? Sure, we DID accomplish a lot. With a capitalist society. Others who want a lot are catching up to us. It is human nature. We could try to protect ourselves a la Rocky, but are there any examples of history showing this successful? I think not, but please provide a success story so we can learn.
Why should the western world commit suicide so the one worlders can reap a few more profits?
How does the western world prevent this suicide? The choices are not easy. We are not all happy with the neighbors and many of the cultures we have in the world. We cannot will them away. We also cannot change where the important resources are. We can fight wars for those things or we can try to create some rules to all "get along". That sometimes works and often doesn't.
To stay on topic, are you saying that "one worlders" are destroying our way of life, including the UAW? What are the alternatives you suggest?
If you can't see the difference between Canada and Mexico I feel sorry for you!!! One is a 1st world nation with human and enviromental laws while the other is 3rd world nation where people drink water that is polluted.
Well that's where the Ford Fusion was made. That's the car that the retired UAW at the web site you recommended thinks is better for US jobs than a US made Honda Civic!
In reality the TEA party in Cincy is heavily advertised by Libertarians. Same here in Dayton. It's not Obama haters; it's spending haters. It's a lot of sincere people; not a bunch of political hacks. It's a lot of educated people; not under-educated folk.
We often don't agree, but you are right on on this one! Unfortunately no party seems to stand for fiscal responsibility any more. It will be the death of us, far more than "globalists".
Go eat something from Mexico. You will have the "runs" for a few days!
I rented a beach house in Rosarito for a year. I ate out all the time down there. I would still be going down for lobster if not for your hero Clinton. He forced the drug traffic up through Mexico when he blockaded the Florida route. Remember Hillary was just down there apologizing for our lack of morals and insatiable appetite for drugs. If not for the drug gangs I would be living in Mexico. Long before I would consider Canada. I have done my tour in the cold. Never again. Canada is a good place for the geese to hang out in the summer.
Again where were these people for the last 8 years??? Bush ran this country into the ground
Everyone was making good money including YOU and your family, until you voted that bunch of losers into the Congress in 2006. It went down hill from there. That is the truth no matter how you want to spin it. Just look at Pelosi, Frank & Dodd and you will see where the problem lies. There were others. To blame it all on Bush is poppycock.
The GOP offers no solutions and only babbles to get the base fired up. They have became a party of critics with no substance.
That is pretty funny. What did the Democrats do the last 8 years. You could not watch TV or read a paper without seeing Bush Bashing. Now it is Obama's turn in the hot seat. See if he does any better. Remember Clinton left Bush with the stock market in a downward spiral starting in 1998. Most people lost more in that crash than the current one. I know my wife's profit sharing 401K went from $348k in 1997 to $106k in 2000. I blame Paine Webber that handled their accounts. Makes no difference it was a huge loss. You have been taught to judge the economy by what is going on with the UAW in Grand Rapids. That is a very minute segment of the US economy.
Since when does "trade" involve offshoring your manufacturing capacities so the top few can increase their ROI? It's not about trade. It's about many sacrificing for the good of the few, and then the ignorants being told to wait for the impacts of trickle down garbage, which simply doesn't work.
"Why don't we get into specifics so we aren't just blathering?"
Why don't you can the smarmy libertarian blather and define what you'd like to have specified? And please don't list simple terms you already know or you can easily find on google. One worlders just go nuts when one thinks of any kind of collusion.
"Others who want a lot are catching up to us."
With our involvement. Without certain western or pseudo-western entities not offshoring everything, would this exist?
"To stay on topic, are you saying that "one worlders" are destroying our way of life, including the UAW?"
The UAW is, in the scheme of things, a piddly little union with a minor at best impact on the economy. It was not the first union and it will not be the last. The upcoming impact of public sector unions has the potential to be far more costly than some old car assemblers.
Am I saying the one worlders are destroying our way of life? Yes, I am.
What's an alternetive? The western world works for the western world first.
Obama's globalist handlers are just wishing to have more debt. It's the same mindset that has us pissing away billions a year on the dependent and childish state of Israel. It would be no different had the other guy won.
One worlders at work. Maybe the idiot British PM can accidentally use the "new world order" term again, this time about the first world killing itself so a few in the west can profit by moving operations to the less developed world.
I loved this statement. And I do agree that McCain would likely follow the same path as Obama. Though I think BO has much higher aspirations for himself.
In a letter to U.S. congressional leaders, Obama said the U.S. funding "does not represent a budgetary expenditure or any increase in the deficit since it effectively represents an exchange of assets."
What might those assets be? Cars made in India or China.
The TL is arguably the best FWD car made today. I've driven an A4 and without Quattro AWD I'm not a fan. The TL with a stick would get 36 mpg in 6th gear go 0-60 in 5.7 and top out at 151 mph.
I already listed them but I can repeat. I see a lot of conceptual words but I don't see any specifics. Terms like:
the ignorants powers that be globalists elitists one worlders
I don't know what that means. There seems to be this diffuse cloud of controlling entities who are pulling our puppet strings. Who are they? Obama? Rush? Gettlefinger? Soros? Castro? Who in the world do these terms represent? Are they eliminating UAW jobs?
The UAW is, in the scheme of things, a piddly little union with a minor at best impact on the economy. It was not the first union and it will not be the last. The upcoming impact of public sector unions has the potential to be far more costly than some old car assemblers.
Agreed. The unions are like a Ponzi scheme that has to break at some point. The UAW is chicken feed compared to the governmental unions and the costly promises that have been made. The house of cards will come down and it is a much bigger house than the UAW house which is currently collapsing.
What's the solution that is within our reach? Please provide specifics.
Specific #1 - Re: jobs and the UAW. We can get rid of most illegal immigration by enforcing existing employment laws. Jobs should only be provided with legitimate proof of legal status to work. Prosecute employers who don't obey. The US government finds it too politically incorrect to enforce these laws. If illegal immigrants cannot get jobs they are not going to come. We don't need to spend big $$$ to police the border. We should not provide free services such as welfare and health care to illegal immigrants. You and I cannot go to most countries and get free services like those coming into the US illegally. Children born of illegal immigrants should not get US citizenship. Few other countries do it the way we do. And the US government is working to make it easier, not harder. With millions fewer people competing for US jobs, unemployment is lowered and average salaries will go up. But less votes for the pandering politicians of both parties who are running all over themselves to pacify people who don't observe our laws.
Specific #2 - Re: drugs. The demand is from US citizens. It is OUR fault. Quit fighting the market that capitalism is trying to satisfy. We promote capitalism then spend $$bilions to prevent it in the area of drugs. Mexican/Columbian citizens are just meeting US demand and trying to feed their families. Legalize the drugs and the cost of prevention goes away. The cost of all those jailed on drug charges goes away. The border crime goes away. A lot of inner city crime goes away. All money that can work to improve our economy. Portugal decriminalized drugs and the usage rates went down.
Our priorities are all messed up but there is so much inertia there is not enough political will to change. The two parties are becoming almost the same. Republicans spend like crazy and condone illegal immigration. Democrats are busting up unions like UAW. There is not much of a difference.
I don't see how protectionism such as Rocky wants is going to work. The UAW is not competitive. The D3 cannot make money with UAW costs dragging them down. You could prohibit foreign makes but then economic retaliation would devastate our economy. No Japanese-branded cars? - no problem! They can just cut off a bunch of electronics supply to the US. A trade war that I guarantee we don't want. The alternative to "globalism". That horse has left the barn.
Everyone was making good money including YOU and your family, until you voted that bunch of losers into the Congress in 2006. It went down hill from there. That is the truth no matter how you want to spin it. Just look at Pelosi, Frank & Dodd and you will see where the problem lies. There were others. To blame it all on Bush is poppycock.
I don't put all the blame on Bush but his economic agenda was doomed. the dot.com bubble didn't hit us as hard as this housing bubble. You can't build an economy based on predatory lending and a war.
That is pretty funny. What did the Democrats do the last 8 years. You could not watch TV or read a paper without seeing Bush Bashing.
True. Obama is taking the heat now. Does the tea party ring a bell and is the crack of many prejudice jokes.
Now it is Obama's turn in the hot seat. See if he does any better. Remember Clinton left Bush with the stock market in a downward spiral starting in 1998. Most people lost more in that crash than the current one.
imidazol97, I love ya pal but you aren't very accurate with that statement. :P
Most people lost more in that crash than the current one. I know my wife's profit sharing 401K went from $348k in 1997 to $106k in 2000. I blame Paine Webber that handled their accounts. Makes no difference it was a huge loss. You have been taught to judge the economy by what is going on with the UAW in Grand Rapids. That is a very minute segment of the US economy.
Perhaps but many economist will tell you looking at job creation and losses is a better bar than the stock-market.
magic is a great businessman too... SI did a article on how most players go broke after MLB NFL or NBA careers.....jerry west said lebrick could be best ever, probably best athlete ever but he isnt jordan yet....kobe is a little overrated in my book, shaq would be picked before him if they were both 22...magic has mentioned how he got his work ethic from his dad who was in UAW and i think did side jobs as well...
Specific #1 - Re: jobs and the UAW. We can get rid of most illegal immigration by enforcing existing employment laws. Jobs should only be provided with legitimate proof of legal status to work. Prosecute employers who don't obey. The US government finds it too politically incorrect to enforce these laws. If illegal immigrants cannot get jobs they are not going to come. We don't need to spend big $$$ to police the border. We should not provide free services such as welfare and health care to illegal immigrants. You and I cannot go to most countries and get free services like those coming into the US illegally. Children born of illegal immigrants should not get US citizenship. Few other countries do it the way we do. And the US government is working to make it easier, not harder. With millions fewer people competing for US jobs, unemployment is lowered and average salaries will go up. But less votes for the pandering politicians of both parties who are running all over themselves to pacify people who don't observe our laws.
I can agree with about all of that!!!
Specific #2 - Re: drugs. The demand is from US citizens. It is OUR fault. Quit fighting the market that capitalism is trying to satisfy. We promote capitalism then spend $$bilions to prevent it in the area of drugs. Mexican/Columbian citizens are just meeting US demand and trying to feed their families. Legalize the drugs and the cost of prevention goes away. The cost of all those jailed on drug charges goes away. The border crime goes away. A lot of inner city crime goes away. All money that can work to improve our economy. Portugal decriminalized drugs and the usage rates went down.
I 100% agree with that!!!
Our priorities are all messed up but there is so much inertia there is not enough political will to change. The two parties are becoming almost the same. Republicans spend like crazy and condone illegal immigration. Democrats are busting up unions like UAW. There is not much of a difference.
I agree
I don't see how protectionism such as Rocky wants is going to work. The UAW is not competitive. The D3 cannot make money with UAW costs dragging them down. You could prohibit foreign makes but then economic retaliation would devastate our economy. No Japanese-branded cars? - no problem! They can just cut off a bunch of electronics supply to the US. A trade war that I guarantee we don't want. The alternative to "globalism". That horse has left the barn.
I don't agree with that. I'll tell you why. The Asians need us a lot more than we need them. We can make our own stuff and feed ourselves. I don't think that is the best approach. What Rocky wants and has been saying for years is "FAIR TRADE" and no I don't want to make it illegal for foreign nameplates to be sold here. I want them all to be built here and if they aren't then I want them tariffed. I want all imports to be tariffed from Asian countries to "level out the playing field". If the Toyota or Honda is made here then it is duty free. I want all parts "tariffed". The only things that wouldn't be tariffed are things that we can't grow or make here like Bananna's, etc. I don't see how my economic policy would be bad for this country. Toyota, has proven they can make cars in this country at a profit thus why can't they make a Lexus LS here??? Why can't Honda make the NSX's they want to sell here well here??? This would create millions of jobs and would eliminate so much borrowing. Duncan Hunter one of gagrice's hero's believes this way also. He's a republican. He said if we shut down NAFTA and the WTO and brought our jobs back here to the U.S. we would restore a lost tax base. I don't agree with Duncan Hunter on every issue. Far from it. But this Californian republican understands economics and I like him. If he would of been the nominee for the right well he would of likely received my vote despite my disagreement on other issues. However his stance on "immigration" and "free trade" supercede his other faults. I also like him because he is a pro 2nd amendment person. I think Duncan Hunter Jr. will be a fine candidate. My Saturn coworkers were shocked to learn that I liked a republican. Junior was being interviewed and going off on how NAFTA was killing our country and how Mexico isn't following our mutual agreement.
So imidazol97, tlong, gagrice, your edmunds.com pal, Rocky can cross the aisle with certain members of your party when he thinks they are right!!!!
magic is a great businessman too... SI did a article on how most players go broke after MLB NFL or NBA careers.....jerry west said lebrick could be best ever, probably best athlete ever but he isnt jordan yet
The best athlete to have ever lived was Bo Jackson. The guy could run a "4.1" 40 and played two sports. He could of played in the NBA if he choose too.
kobe is a little overrated in my book, shaq would be picked before him if they were both 22
Maybe....
magic has mentioned how he got his work ethic from his dad who was in UAW and i think did side jobs as well...
Despite what many on here say about UAW members most of them are well to do people that work hard. My father, grandfathers, uncles, cousins, aunts took great pride in there work.
GM had a office in NY investing money just to pay off their legacy costs...i read that in playboy 2-3 years ago...they actually raised a lot of money...i dont understand why GM gave white collar health care too when they retire, even in 80s cost was creeping up
i remember bo running over roidman brian bosworth and that crushing HR he hit in all star game...a truly great athlete, i loved watching him run the ball...maybe a bruins red wing final?...celtics and pistons look to be done
GM had a office in NY investing money just to pay off their legacy costs...i read that in playboy 2-3 years ago...they actually raised a lot of money...i dont understand why GM gave white collar health care too when they retire, even in 80s cost was creeping up
I am glad they gave "white collar" workers retirement benefits. They were doing a social good for this country and now they are being sold down the river. It makes me sick!!!! :sick:
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-Rocky
-Rocky
P.S. I like some of those German Girls too though!!! :P I think Mr. Fintail will tell you how hot some of them are also.
More smoke and mirrors Rocky. Clever gimmick for the gullible. If it is cheaper I would buy it. I will stick with Costco gas. They have a fast turnover and you are assured of fresh gas. We have stations now that are owned by Russian companies and Chavez companies. At least the guy tending the pumps at my Costco is a Teamster.
Not everyone can buy gas sourced from the US or Canada. I consider Canada less of a good neighbor than Mexico. Canada just takes, takes, takes from the US. Mexico keeps giving US cheap labor.. :sick:
Very true. I live about 10 miles from the University of Illinois. We also have a community college that has a pretty good reputation with local employers but only costs around $92/ credit hr which is about a 1/3 of what U of I charges.
We've beat this college degree topic to death. But the fact remains unemployment for those with a 4yr degree or more is about a 1/3 of the rate for those w/o. Plus it does matter what you get your degree in. I'm sure a PHD in history offers different prospects for employment and earnings vs. a PHD in physics, medicine, or engineering.
Bush infuriated his base with his stance on illegal immigration, Medicare Part D, increase in Federal spending, just to name a few...add to that the Terry Schiavo incident, where the Fed gov't stepped in where they had NO jurisdiction or any business at all, and many of us were PO'd...except the religious right, who need to get a grip that Schiavo was better off dead 10 years ago, but some people simply do not know when to pull the plug...
Oddly enough, when looking at the recent UAW stance in the light of GM Ch 11, they, too, cannot see the plug is about to be pulled out from under their noses...that gravy train is over, too...
If UAW floorsweepers are not paid $25/hour, what ARE they paid, and how much does one cost GM in terms of matched Soc Sec, Comp, and all other costs associated with employment???...if you don't lie my number, what IS the cost to GM for a UAW floorsweeper???
I said spent fuel causing radiation poisoning!!! What more do you want??? :P One uranium pellet that is fed boric acid in a metal clad will cause enough fission that if you stood on the 50 yard line and ran torwards the endzone you would drop dead from radiation poisoning before you reached the endzone acording to our Control Room Operators at Palisades. If you owned the top of a dry fuel storage cell and jumped over the exposed part you would be dead before you hit the ground. That is how powerful that stuff is pal.
And then , if they survive that, it would only grant them ANOTHER try to start all over again...if they survive 5 attempts (do I hear 6, can I get 6, do I hear 7?) maybe we will grant them temporary residence for 6 months...and then go thru it all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They would not survive. It would be impossible.
gagrice, if I could, I would build a 20 story high wall that went into the ground another 20 stories, and fence it off with razorwire and bombs...I have had it with illegal immigration, and I do not agree with either the Repub or Democratic reasons for it...
Well that makes 3 of us then!!!!
If 20 million of us decided to stop paying our taxes, the IRS (another good reason for the Fair Tax) would find all 20 million of us in an hour...then they can find all 20 million illegal immigrants and deport them...since I also classify them as foreign invaders, border patrol with orders to shoot to kill would help...all you need is about 50 shot dead and another 50 million would think twice about coming here...
Can't say I disagree. Known terrorist have came up from the border south of us pal. That is a known fact.
I am getting a little nauseous and must leave...the sensation of being in total agreement with rocky is having a detrimental effect on me...any more of this and the next thing you know I might even eat in the same restaurant where known Democrats eat...perish the thought...fortunately, with Hapeville (Ford) and Doraville (GM) closing, I do NOT have to deal with active UAW...thanks for small favors...
You might be surprised that just how much you and them agree on some subject such as immigration. You might sit at the same table. :P
BTW...post a picture of Beth in a car...nobody asked for you...and don't forget the cleavage...HERS...
LOL, I think she would be uncomfortable with me posting just a picture of her. She doesn't think she is all that and is part of the reason why I love and care about her so much.
-Rocky
My father owned an auto machine shop...we sold auto parts in the front (American only until 1980, when enough Japanese cars were here to start stocking simple stuff like tune-up parts) and had a machione shop in the rear...I did valve jobs on heads, cut rotors and drums (long before each repair shop could do their own), installed bearings on axles with a multi-ton press, overhauled starters and alternators, cut armatures, did some engine work...I spent many summers covered in filth, grease, dirt, 10-40 oil, you name it...it would take 10 days for the dirt to finally work its way out of my fingerprints and they would look clean...scrubbing with a brush did not help, I just looked dirty for 10 days...I have been there, done that, and have worked in more filth and grease than many others...I know what it is like and no one will tell me otherwise...
Which is why I went to school to hopefully improve myself...some think I have, some don't... :P
But I have been in the dirt (5 summers in 110 degree heat in the shop as it had poor ventilation)...and I know what it is like...
Do you???
Well I might vote 3rd party next time just for the principal of the matter.
Bush infuriated his base with his stance on illegal immigration, Medicare Part D, increase in Federal spending, just to name a few...add to that the Terry Schiavo incident, where the Fed gov't stepped in where they had NO jurisdiction or any business at all, and many of us were PO'd...except the religious right, who need to get a grip that Schiavo was better off dead 10 years ago, but some people simply do not know when to pull the plug...
I'm surprised we agree regarding Schiavo. :surprise:
Oddly enough, when looking at the recent UAW stance in the light of GM Ch 11, they, too, cannot see the plug is about to be pulled out from under their noses...that gravy train is over, too...
I think they are vegetables either way. :sick:
If UAW floorsweepers are not paid $25/hour, what ARE they paid, and how much does one cost GM in terms of matched Soc Sec, Comp, and all other costs associated with employment???...if you don't lie my number, what IS the cost to GM for a UAW floorsweeper???
There isn't any UAW floorsweepers left. That position has been outsourced like way too many. Delphi, learned it's lesson a few weeks ago it was cheaper having the Millwrights do a job for them than contracting it out. My step-dad said they did it before the deadline and under budget. They had a steak dinner last week and management was suprised and learned a lesson that they are worth there wages.
-Rocky
I guess that depends on who's data you believe. GM retirees facing cuts in pensions
Maybe this article is wrong, but it claims GM's pension is $20 billion underfunded as of Nov, '08.
My original point was regarding fees. Pensions pay management fees too, just like any active or passively managed fund. They all have some type of associated administrative fees.
Heilbroner undoubtedly was another prototypical one worlder too.
Both are just old bastards with no real world experience who currently reside in a hot place. Scum.
This summary from the Economist says everything about Mises:
"Professor von Mises has a splendid analytical mind and an admirable passion for liberty; but as a student of human nature he is worse than null and as a debater he is of Hyde Park standard."
You are an exception to the rule. You aren't a executive of a large corporation and you weren't involved with Skull & Bones nor attended Yale, right??? :P
Which is why I went to school to hopefully improve myself...some think I have, some don't... ...
But I have been in the dirt (5 summers in 110 degree heat in the shop as it had poor ventilation)...and I know what it is like...
Do you???
Remember I worked in Manufacturing in a few of my previous jobs. When I worked at a dairy I was pulling spoiled skim milk fat out of a machine. The sour milk was all over my uniform and the Mosquitos were eating me like a a starving hebrew slave at the Old Country Buffett. It was 130 degrees and steam from the pasteurization was blowing everywhere. I had nicks and scrapes and bites all over my neck, face, arms, hands.....I was a hot mess. I had my fair share of bad jobs also.
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
I'm waiting anxiously for a response to your post. I have a feeling we won't get one with any real "meat"
-Rocky
-Rocky
There are a lot of them already, How many tent cities are there in Michigan?
300 Tent city
Tent city eviction
They have nary a clue what it's like to have to work and their arrogance and ignorance call people that are making them money "floor sweepers" or "lawn mowers" despite never doing any of those menial jobs themselves in there lives. They can't comprehend what it's like to tear a machine apart and put it back togeather again and get there hands dirty.
Yet you idolize these types, Kennedy's, Roosevelt, Wagoner, Obama, Edwards etc etc. None ever did an honest days hard labor. I would put em all in a chain gang. They are criminals whether you like them or not. They are the Elitist in this country you and Fintail love to rail against.
So which do you prefer diesel??? Kal-Kan or Alpo??? Yummmy!
Friskies on crackers, So tasty..mmmmmm :P
Hold on, check on BO here. 88 days?
I liked the way they finagled the accounting with Clinton while there was a debt to make it look like no debt was left for the years. If you just don't count some things... they, well, don't get counted.
It's duplicity. Like BO worrying about the democrat's pet of "torture" and thinking this is bad, but it's okay to use drones in Pakistan and BO bombed the homes of certain enemies killing them and their wives and children. I guess killing is okay but creative psychological compulsion is not okay. Hmmmm. Duplicity.
Anyhow I love how the liberals still anger at the mere mention of Reagan.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Another smear tactic by the left because the TEA parties show a large group of dissatified voters out here. They have tried to marginalize them by suggesting they were promoted by FOX and other corporations which are evil (mostly meaning they don't donate to the rich democrats).
They've even called the tea bagging parties which has a dark meaning that only the 360 host, Anderson Coooper, could comment on without being ridiculed. I listened to a minority activist station with about 100 listeners in Cincy on the way to N. Ky to visit a friend in the hospital today. They were using the tea bagging term to ridicule the events, were stating the participants were rural folk who'd come to the city to tell them what to do, and were suggesting everyone is afraid of the book which Chavex gave to BO which has jumped to 2nd on Amazon now.
In reality the TEA party in Cincy is heavily advertised by Libertarians. Same here in Dayton. It's not Obama haters; it's spending haters. It's a lot of sincere people; not a bunch of political hacks. It's a lot of educated people; not under-educated folk.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
300 Tent city
Tent city eviction
I was only kidding!!! :surprise: WOW!!! :sick:
Yet you idolize these types, Kennedy's, Roosevelt, Wagoner, Obama, Edwards etc etc. None ever did an honest days hard labor. I would put em all in a chain gang. They are criminals whether you like them or not. They are the Elitist in this country you and Fintail love to rail against.
Wagoner was a star basketball player thus I can give him a break.
http://www.autotropolis.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rick_Wagoner
Kennedy's....Which one???
FDR- He was also president of The Harvard Crimson daily newspaper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FDR
He worked while in college. :P
Obama-
Following high school, he moved to Los Angeles in 1979 to attend Occidental College.[24] After two years he transferred in 1981 to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations[25] and graduated with a B.A. in 1983. He worked for a year at the Business International Corporation[26][27] and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[28][29]
After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago, where he was hired as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. He worked there as a community organizer from June 1985 to May 1988.[28][30] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000. He helped set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[31] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[32] In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time to Europe for three weeks and then for five weeks in Kenya, where he met many of his paternal relatives for the first time.[33] He returned in August 2006 in a visit to his father's birthplace, a village near Kisumu in rural western Kenya.[34]
Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988. He was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review at the end of his first year,[35] and president of the journal in his second year.[36] During his summers, he returned to Chicago, where he worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[37] After graduating with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna [non-permissible content removed] laude[38][39] from Harvard in 1991, he returned to Chicago.[35] Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review gained national media attention[36] and led to a publishing contract and advance for a book about race relations,[40] though it evolved into a personal memoir. The manuscript was published in mid-1995 as Dreams from My Father.[40]
He worked also!!! :P
Edwards- http://www.johnedwards.com/about/john/
Worked in the mill with his father :P
Thus you are wrong again. What else is new??? :P
Friskies on crackers, So tasty..mmmmmm
You have a cat right??? iluv, has one. He is my namesake
-Rocky
P.S. Friskies does sound good!!! :P
Well since your idol Dubya left him the worst mess in our nations history the only way to recover out of this recession is to spend our way out of it. Most economist say it's not enough. It would be like me selling you a new car that was dirty and on empty. Those are unexpected costs I'm making you to take on. Get it? :P
I liked the way they finagled the accounting with Clinton while there was a debt to make it look like no debt was left for the years. If you just don't count some things... they, well, don't get counted.
You are talking about the budget surplus the right likes to spin as a half-truth??? :confuse: The difference is Clinton knew how to pay as he went while Dubya like everything he's ever ran well ends up in the red. Name me one thing Dubya has ever rank in the black. For god sakes he couldn't make a baseball team in one of the biggest markets make a profit thus their should of never been any suprise how he would run his administration.
It's duplicity. Like BO worrying about the democrat's pet of "torture" and thinking this is bad, but it's okay to use drones in Pakistan and BO bombed the homes of certain enemies killing them and their wives and children. I guess killing is okay but creative psychological compulsion is not okay. Hmmmm. Duplicity.
Anyhow I love how the liberals still anger at the mere mention of Reagan.
It's one thing to kill as there will be no suffering and another to torture a obvious violation of the Geneva Convention. Are we not suppose to take the moral high ground??? I want them dead as much as you do thus lets get the trial rolling and get em' hung.
-Rocky
Again where were they when Bush was on his spending spree. Double Standard, No???
They've even called the tea bagging parties which has a dark meaning that only the 360 host, Anderson Coooper, could comment on without being ridiculed. I listened to a minority activist station with about 100 listeners in Cincy on the way to N. Ky to visit a friend in the hospital today. They were using the tea bagging term to ridicule the events, were stating the participants were rural folk who'd come to the city to tell them what to do, and were suggesting everyone is afraid of the book which Chavex gave to BO which has jumped to 2nd on Amazon now.
The GOP offers no solutions and only babbles to get the base fired up. They have became a party of critics with no substance.
In reality the TEA party in Cincy is heavily advertised by Libertarians. Same here in Dayton. It's not Obama haters; it's spending haters. It's a lot of sincere people; not a bunch of political hacks. It's a lot of educated people; not under-educated folk.
Again where were these people for the last 8 years??? Bush ran this country into the ground and because McSame got his [non-permissible content removed] handed to him they are now crying foul??? Sounds very hypocritical to me!!!
-Rocky
Very well put!
We got 225K out of our 1994 UAW-built Mercury Villager. Our gardener is still driving it at over 240K. Of course it is a Nissan engine and transmission. I can also tell you that the assembly quality sucked. Crooked glovebox door and map light console. The soundproofing in the engine compartment was torn up at brand new delivery. The speedometer had an electrical short. But overall a solid vehicle. We replaced it 1.5 years ago with a used Odyssey.
My Acura TL is unfortunately an automatic, as my wife does not like stick. I got rid of a 1998 Audi A4 5-speed to get it. I still really miss that Audi. A wonderful car except for repair costs. The Acura has lots of gadgets but is a bit too big and floaty for my tastes. I've had it to 110 at night. It does not handle like the Audi, but is still good compared to most American iron.
The reality is that capitalism works. If we did not provide the jobs and benefits we would not have to spend $$billions to lock up the border. Then the UAW workers would have more job alternatives. The solution is within our reach, we just don't have the will to deal with it.
Like drugs. We're trying to fight capitalism. There is a DEMAND. The problem is us. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different outcomes.
I'm ok with that. But then we should stop trading with others, right? We have this bit of a problem called oil.
No worse than the ideals of the born on third base "capitalists" you will die to protect, no?
Why is an entitlement mentality for a group worse than an entitlement mentality for a few?
Not sure what this first statement means. "Entitlement", "elites", "globalists", "one worlders", "powers that be" -- lots of nice ambiguous words. Why don't we get into specifics so we aren't just blathering? Should the US be entitled? Sure, we DID accomplish a lot. With a capitalist society. Others who want a lot are catching up to us. It is human nature. We could try to protect ourselves a la Rocky, but are there any examples of history showing this successful? I think not, but please provide a success story so we can learn.
Why should the western world commit suicide so the one worlders can reap a few more profits?
How does the western world prevent this suicide? The choices are not easy. We are not all happy with the neighbors and many of the cultures we have in the world. We cannot will them away. We also cannot change where the important resources are. We can fight wars for those things or we can try to create some rules to all "get along". That sometimes works and often doesn't.
To stay on topic, are you saying that "one worlders" are destroying our way of life, including the UAW? What are the alternatives you suggest?
Well that's where the Ford Fusion was made. That's the car that the retired UAW at the web site you recommended thinks is better for US jobs than a US made Honda Civic!
We often don't agree, but you are right on on this one! Unfortunately no party seems to stand for fiscal responsibility any more. It will be the death of us, far more than "globalists".
I rented a beach house in Rosarito for a year. I ate out all the time down there. I would still be going down for lobster if not for your hero Clinton. He forced the drug traffic up through Mexico when he blockaded the Florida route. Remember Hillary was just down there apologizing for our lack of morals and insatiable appetite for drugs. If not for the drug gangs I would be living in Mexico. Long before I would consider Canada. I have done my tour in the cold. Never again. Canada is a good place for the geese to hang out in the summer.
Everyone was making good money including YOU and your family, until you voted that bunch of losers into the Congress in 2006. It went down hill from there. That is the truth no matter how you want to spin it. Just look at Pelosi, Frank & Dodd and you will see where the problem lies. There were others. To blame it all on Bush is poppycock.
The GOP offers no solutions and only babbles to get the base fired up. They have became a party of critics with no substance.
That is pretty funny. What did the Democrats do the last 8 years. You could not watch TV or read a paper without seeing Bush Bashing. Now it is Obama's turn in the hot seat. See if he does any better. Remember Clinton left Bush with the stock market in a downward spiral starting in 1998. Most people lost more in that crash than the current one. I know my wife's profit sharing 401K went from $348k in 1997 to $106k in 2000. I blame Paine Webber that handled their accounts. Makes no difference it was a huge loss. You have been taught to judge the economy by what is going on with the UAW in Grand Rapids. That is a very minute segment of the US economy.
How will this help our struggling economy? More debt for Rocky to pay back. Better get 3 jobs rock. I know it is Bush's fault. :P
"Why don't we get into specifics so we aren't just blathering?"
Why don't you can the smarmy libertarian blather and define what you'd like to have specified? And please don't list simple terms you already know or you can easily find on google. One worlders just go nuts when one thinks of any kind of collusion.
"Others who want a lot are catching up to us."
With our involvement. Without certain western or pseudo-western entities not offshoring everything, would this exist?
"To stay on topic, are you saying that "one worlders" are destroying our way of life, including the UAW?"
The UAW is, in the scheme of things, a piddly little union with a minor at best impact on the economy. It was not the first union and it will not be the last. The upcoming impact of public sector unions has the potential to be far more costly than some old car assemblers.
Am I saying the one worlders are destroying our way of life? Yes, I am.
What's an alternetive? The western world works for the western world first.
One worlders at work. Maybe the idiot British PM can accidentally use the "new world order" term again, this time about the first world killing itself so a few in the west can profit by moving operations to the less developed world.
In a letter to U.S. congressional leaders, Obama said the U.S. funding "does not represent a budgetary expenditure or any increase in the deficit since it effectively represents an exchange of assets."
What might those assets be? Cars made in India or China.
-Rocky
-Rocky
You really like that word. :P
define what you'd like to have specified
I already listed them but I can repeat. I see a lot of conceptual words but I don't see any specifics. Terms like:
the ignorants
powers that be
globalists
elitists
one worlders
I don't know what that means. There seems to be this diffuse cloud of controlling entities who are pulling our puppet strings. Who are they? Obama? Rush? Gettlefinger? Soros? Castro? Who in the world do these terms represent? Are they eliminating UAW jobs?
The UAW is, in the scheme of things, a piddly little union with a minor at best impact on the economy. It was not the first union and it will not be the last. The upcoming impact of public sector unions has the potential to be far more costly than some old car assemblers.
Agreed. The unions are like a Ponzi scheme that has to break at some point. The UAW is chicken feed compared to the governmental unions and the costly promises that have been made. The house of cards will come down and it is a much bigger house than the UAW house which is currently collapsing.
Specific #1 - Re: jobs and the UAW. We can get rid of most illegal immigration by enforcing existing employment laws. Jobs should only be provided with legitimate proof of legal status to work. Prosecute employers who don't obey. The US government finds it too politically incorrect to enforce these laws. If illegal immigrants cannot get jobs they are not going to come. We don't need to spend big $$$ to police the border. We should not provide free services such as welfare and health care to illegal immigrants. You and I cannot go to most countries and get free services like those coming into the US illegally. Children born of illegal immigrants should not get US citizenship. Few other countries do it the way we do. And the US government is working to make it easier, not harder. With millions fewer people competing for US jobs, unemployment is lowered and average salaries will go up. But less votes for the pandering politicians of both parties who are running all over themselves to pacify people who don't observe our laws.
Specific #2 - Re: drugs. The demand is from US citizens. It is OUR fault. Quit fighting the market that capitalism is trying to satisfy. We promote capitalism then spend $$bilions to prevent it in the area of drugs. Mexican/Columbian citizens are just meeting US demand and trying to feed their families. Legalize the drugs and the cost of prevention goes away. The cost of all those jailed on drug charges goes away. The border crime goes away. A lot of inner city crime goes away. All money that can work to improve our economy. Portugal decriminalized drugs and the usage rates went down.
Our priorities are all messed up but there is so much inertia there is not enough political will to change. The two parties are becoming almost the same. Republicans spend like crazy and condone illegal immigration. Democrats are busting up unions like UAW. There is not much of a difference.
I don't see how protectionism such as Rocky wants is going to work. The UAW is not competitive. The D3 cannot make money with UAW costs dragging them down. You could prohibit foreign makes but then economic retaliation would devastate our economy. No Japanese-branded cars? - no problem! They can just cut off a bunch of electronics supply to the US. A trade war that I guarantee we don't want. The alternative to "globalism". That horse has left the barn.
I don't put all the blame on Bush but his economic agenda was doomed. the dot.com bubble didn't hit us as hard as this housing bubble. You can't build an economy based on predatory lending and a war.
That is pretty funny. What did the Democrats do the last 8 years. You could not watch TV or read a paper without seeing Bush Bashing.
True. Obama is taking the heat now. Does the tea party ring a bell and is the crack of many prejudice jokes.
Now it is Obama's turn in the hot seat. See if he does any better. Remember Clinton left Bush with the stock market in a downward spiral starting in 1998. Most people lost more in that crash than the current one.
imidazol97, I love ya pal but you aren't very accurate with that statement. :P
Most people lost more in that crash than the current one. I know my wife's profit sharing 401K went from $348k in 1997 to $106k in 2000. I blame Paine Webber that handled their accounts. Makes no difference it was a huge loss. You have been taught to judge the economy by what is going on with the UAW in Grand Rapids. That is a very minute segment of the US economy.
Perhaps but many economist will tell you looking at job creation and losses is a better bar than the stock-market.
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
I can agree with about all of that!!!
Specific #2 - Re: drugs. The demand is from US citizens. It is OUR fault. Quit fighting the market that capitalism is trying to satisfy. We promote capitalism then spend $$bilions to prevent it in the area of drugs. Mexican/Columbian citizens are just meeting US demand and trying to feed their families. Legalize the drugs and the cost of prevention goes away. The cost of all those jailed on drug charges goes away. The border crime goes away. A lot of inner city crime goes away. All money that can work to improve our economy. Portugal decriminalized drugs and the usage rates went down.
I 100% agree with that!!!
Our priorities are all messed up but there is so much inertia there is not enough political will to change. The two parties are becoming almost the same. Republicans spend like crazy and condone illegal immigration. Democrats are busting up unions like UAW. There is not much of a difference.
I agree
I don't see how protectionism such as Rocky wants is going to work. The UAW is not competitive. The D3 cannot make money with UAW costs dragging them down. You could prohibit foreign makes but then economic retaliation would devastate our economy. No Japanese-branded cars? - no problem! They can just cut off a bunch of electronics supply to the US. A trade war that I guarantee we don't want. The alternative to "globalism". That horse has left the barn.
I don't agree with that. I'll tell you why. The Asians need us a lot more than we need them. We can make our own stuff and feed ourselves. I don't think that is the best approach. What Rocky wants and has been saying for years is "FAIR TRADE" and no I don't want to make it illegal for foreign nameplates to be sold here. I want them all to be built here and if they aren't then I want them tariffed. I want all imports to be tariffed from Asian countries to "level out the playing field". If the Toyota or Honda is made here then it is duty free. I want all parts "tariffed". The only things that wouldn't be tariffed are things that we can't grow or make here like Bananna's, etc.
So imidazol97, tlong, gagrice, your edmunds.com pal, Rocky can cross the aisle with certain members of your party when he thinks they are right!!!!
-Rocky
The best athlete to have ever lived was Bo Jackson. The guy could run a "4.1" 40 and played two sports. He could of played in the NBA if he choose too.
kobe is a little overrated in my book, shaq would be picked before him if they were both 22
Maybe....
magic has mentioned how he got his work ethic from his dad who was in UAW and i think did side jobs as well...
Despite what many on here say about UAW members most of them are well to do people that work hard. My father, grandfathers, uncles, cousins, aunts took great pride in there work.
-Rocky
-Rocky
I am glad they gave "white collar" workers retirement benefits. They were doing a social good for this country and now they are being sold down the river. It makes me sick!!!! :sick:
-Rocky