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-Rocky
$150,000$100,000 before options.Has a V12 under the hood I think.
-Rocky
It has a 5-liter V12 with the "gentlemen's rating" of 276hp, which is probably more like 350hp.
I guess there is a market for bad taste luxury and good taste luxury....I mean, look at those Clenets and Tiffanys etc. People pay pretty high prices for those grotesque creations.
I have to say most of the $200K ++ cars are in very good taste....
even IF buick could make a better car than any lexus nobody would buy them. same with cadillac.
the toyota forerunner and honda pilot are superior vehicles in just about every way to any buick. how is it going to beat a lexus??. holy smokes. the camry SE and accord V6 are superior to any buick in just about every single way. wow. i'd take any nissan over a buick.
i'd take a toyota yaris over a buick. the honda odyssey can out drive any buick.
cadillac's are good for shoot outs in movies so they can fill it with holes.
sorry but the truth must be told.
I'd rather have dinner cooked by Hannibal Lecter as chef and Jeffrey Dahmer as my waiter than buy any Toyonda product.
1.Rolls roy..
2.maybach.
3.bentley
4.aston
5.benz
6.lexus
and bmw's
and i think many will add sports cars as well which i don't consider luxury cars.example. ferrari lambo buggati etc...
But in my own opinion. not every1 will agree, it will be, and i will be specific.
1.lexus LS600h.
2.benz. s65amg/cl63amg/cl65amg
3.bmw
4.porsche cayenne v8's only
5.bentley gt's only
As i said before this is only my opinion and what i like.
Do u guys know that the Cl class is the worlds quietest car.
6. Acura
5. Infiniti
4. Audi
3. Lexus
2. BMW
1. Mercedes-Benz
Personally I'd rather save money and get a Volvo or something, but for most people, it's pretty much the list above.
I tend to prefer the entry level models, as that's what most people end up buying, and amongst those, here's a list of what I think are the best 6 in the category: (this includes value)
6. Saab 9-3 60th Anniversary Edition
5. tied: Acura TSX and Acura TL
3. Lexus ES350
2. BMW 3-Series
1. Infiniti G35
2.Bentley
3.Bugatti
4.Ferrari
5.Maserati
6.Rolls-Royce
Perfect Motor Cars! This is my Opinion what i like! From vintage 1904 up to todays picks! Sure theres more but you only asked for six, I even own two of theses fine Motor Cars on the list!
#2 Cadillac
#3 Lincoln
#4 Buick
#5 Acura
#6 BMW
-Rocky
WTH are you thinking.
The rest of your list is pretty screwed up but SAAB does not even belong in the top 10.
Don't discount Rolls Royce. The current Phantom is one phenomenal car in all respects. Don't let all the bling associations colour your judgement. Leaves Cadillac in the weeds and the only debate is whether RR or Maybach takes top spot. No definitive answer - all down to personal taste. Then again, current Bentleys are up in the top 5 too.
#1 Cadillac
#2 Saab
#3 Acura
#4 Lexus
#5 Volvo
#6 Lincoln
#7 Mercedes
#8 Audi
#9 BMW
#10 Buick, oops I mean Infiniti, British.
-Rocky
SAAB doesn't belong on the list with their current line up. Since we are talking Luxury not ultra luxury I will leave out Rolls, Bentley etc.
#1 Mercedes: Even with the stumbles they have had in the recent past Mercedes still has the most complete luxury lineup.
#2 BMW: And it is a very close second. If this list had more of an emphasis on sport over Luxury I would put BMW first.
#3 Lexus: Line up is not as complete as the two german heavy weights and their SUVs are well behind in technology compared to the Germans. Reliability is better then other but that is not the be all and end all for a Luxury mark.
#4 Audi: Line up is filling out and should rival Mercedes soon but still not as high end as either Merc or BMW. Reliability probably the worst of the Germans as well and drive train design for most cars means engine hangs well in front of the axle.
#5 Tie between Acura and Infiniti: Infiniti has the more complete line up but styling is awkward for some cars and interior are sub-par IMO. Great driving dynamics for cars but QX56 is a poor job of rebadging. Acura has some pretty good styling except for new MDX and interiors are very good vs. the rest of the class. But still hung up on FWD platforms which won't cut it at this level.
After that it gets too hard but SAAB and Lincoln are no where near the top six.
Caddy is probably number 7 and Volvo I think takes the 8th spot.
-Rocky
2.Bentley
3.Bugatti
4.Ferrari
5.Maserati
6.Rolls-Royce
I am not sure British rover would completely agree but that is a pretty good list. Luxury is defined by excess and not many other vehicles listed earlier apply. Luxury goes with fame and power. It goes with history and comfort for comfort sake with no compromises.
When tend to transpose words for advertising purposes even when they don't apply. We have redefined sports car to be any number of sporty cars. We have redefined Luxury car to any number of standard vehicles with some upgrades. Putting more leather in a car to call it a luxury car is simply not the same as designing one from the ground up to exude opulence.
A grand house is a grand house it is not Buckingham palace or Château de Versailles. It isn't that the grand house someone built isn't nice or better built. It is simply that it is not a Palace. It isn't that MB, BMW or even Lexus aren't nice comfortable cars. They are simply not uncompromising luxury cars.
1. Bentley
2. Rolls Royce
3. Maseratti
4. Aston Martin
5. Maybach
Everyday top 10:
1. Mercedes
2. Lexus
3. Audi
4. BMW
5. Caddy (only because the list asks for 5 so it's a distant 5. Not on the level of the 4 preceeding it.)
1. Rolls Royce (need we say more?)
2. Maserati (the Quattroporte is the real deal)
3. Lexus (they put stuff on the LS I haven't even thought of yet)
4. Mercedes Benz (The big body AMG sedans are just awesome)
5. BMW - The big 7 series is still a luxury statement
6. Jaguar (The interior is still carrying the load)
Sorry, but Saab and Buick are still on the outside looking in. I considered Cadillac for the 6th spot, but the Jag still has that look and feel of a world class luxury sedan. Yes, Bentley is an option, but I dealt with that with RR at num. 1. To me, Bentley is a performance version of the luxurious RR.
Rolls Royce
Maybach
Bentley
Order will depend on your own tastes. All rest follow on behind those three. Mercedes should be there but their recent lack of build quality and reliability keeps them out and stops there being a genuine Top 4. However, I think they'll be back, (AMG and Brabus versions don't count. it's actually saying; "I bought a wonderful Mercedes. It's so good that I paid extra for AMG to finish it properly").
Anyone who decries any of the top three obviously has no idea what they actually do as cars - not just as wealth-signifiers.
Just a view from the big island off the coast of Europe.
Maybach Landaulet to go for $1.35 Million
Rolls Royce
Bentley
Aston Martin
Mercedes Benz
BMW
This would be my top 6.
Graph came from this AutoObserver story about Audi.
1) Lexus
2) Mercedes
3) BMW
4) Audi
5) Jaguar
6) Infiniti
Acura - Too Hondaish, no V-8. No RWD. Too much sport, not enough Luxury.
Lincoln - More like a Buick these days. No RWD cars anymore.
Cadillac - Close, but too small now, not really Luxury, more Sport.
SAAB - Really, nothing luxurious about these wierd cars.
Volvo - Interesting, different, nice, but more quirky than luxurious.
But shouldn't that also exclude Audi??
Fairly steady: '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '21 WRX, '20 S90 T6, '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel, '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP / Rotating stock, but currently: '92 325i, '97 Alto Works, '96 Pajero Mini, '11 Mini Cooper S
But since some of your comments were "No RWD," I assume that doesn't really matter.
Fairly steady: '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '21 WRX, '20 S90 T6, '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel, '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP / Rotating stock, but currently: '92 325i, '97 Alto Works, '96 Pajero Mini, '11 Mini Cooper S
Well, AWD does help with me....I just put them a little further down on the list than RWD cars with available V-8 engines, however - I realize the V-8 is becoming a dinosaur, relegated to exotics soon, while the lowly luxury car is moving down. Ford has turbos, Cadillac is going to all 4 cylinders, I have heard..... So times are changing again. :surprise:
2011 Edmunds' Inside Line Readers' Most Wanted Awards
Bentley
Aston-Martin
Maybach
Mercedes-Benz
Bugatti
You are completely confident that Benz is above Maserati?
Fairly steady: '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '21 WRX, '20 S90 T6, '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel, '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP / Rotating stock, but currently: '92 325i, '97 Alto Works, '96 Pajero Mini, '11 Mini Cooper S
Daimler to Scrap Its Maybach Luxury Cars (Wall St. Journal)
Looks like production will end by 2013.
The problem with Maybach was that MB brought back a name that didn't mean anything to today's buyers. Rolls Royce and Bentley are known - Maybach, not so much.
I think TC and CV/GM must have been 95%+ fleet sales by the end.
It was 100% fleet sales for the last 2 years of production.
I would have imagined there'd be enough octogenarian demand to sell a few thousand TCs a year, but maybe they all moved to the DTS.