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timing belt replacement?

forcefiveforcefive Posts: 1
edited March 2014 in Mitsubishi
Hey out there, I've got a '95 Mits Eclipse GS with
55k. I hear it's time to replace the timing belt.
Whom should I go to, how much will it cost, and
what should I look out for? Anybody know a good
mechanic in Hawaii? Aloha
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  • charlesfcharlesf Posts: 28
    Are you on the island of Hawaii?
  • FORCEFIVE: I just picked up a new Galant yesterday. While looking thru the owners manual I noticed that for the particular 4 cylinder in my car that the recommended timing belt change-out is 100K ! Go figure! That seems abit much to me as most mfgs. seem to think 60K is about right. Has Mitsu made big strides in belt durability or is this just sales hype? I think I'll change mine @ 60K anyway when the time comes.
  • jmolinskyjmolinsky Posts: 18
    Don't fret about the 100K number. Within the last couple of years, some manufacturers have been using better timing belts. For instance, on Accords the interval has been raised from 60K to 90K within the last 2-3 years. Save yourself some cash and wait.
  • quickshiftquickshift Posts: 16
    You can either pay now or pay later about $900 for valves work. Your choice?
  • guitarzanguitarzan OhioPosts: 831
    Quickshift, you're saying that Mitsubishi would make a recommendation knowing full well that the belt might fail before that mileage?

    Perhaps a good question for the DEALER is: What will you do for me if this belt breaks before 100k?
  • sugardogsugardog Posts: 41
    If the belt breaks it will only damage the engine if the engine is an 'interference' engine. Check with the manufacturer, do not ask the service people, they don't always have the correct answer, and they may make one up. Check your owner's manual maint chart. My 92 toyota has two charts, the 'B' chart is for severe duty, taxi cabs and such, that says replace at 60k. The 'A' chart is for normal driving, and the timing belt is not even listed. My car has 80k and still going, a friend had his replaced at 100k. Bottom line is there is a risk after 60k. If it is not an 'interference' engine, breaking will not hurt the engine, just the agony of a breakdown where ever you are at the time, how much risk can you accept?
  • The Gates Rubber site has info (not real up to date, however) on timing belt change recommendations and, more importantly, notes which are interference vs non-interference engines.
  • vclarkvclark Posts: 1
    Is it true there is a problem with the timing belts on the chevy ventures?
  • dhoffdhoff Posts: 282
    I can say with certainty that there is no problem with the timing belts on Chevy Ventures. That is because they do not have timing belts.

    They have pushrod engines, not overhead cams.

    Dave
  • avs007avs007 Posts: 100
    Most of GM's pushrod engines have timing chains, as opposed to timing belts... I figure someone would be either confused, or try to be a smart-mouth, so I thought I would clarify...
  • dwanndwann Posts: 5
    I know this isn't recommended, but my 92 Geo Prizm went 211,000 miles on the original timing belt. Never had a problem, it purred like a kitten, even after I sold it. I had a 90 Mazda MX6 that had 146,000 miles on it when I traded it in and never replaced the timing belt. Granted, the mileage was all highway miles, but I have yet to replace a timing belt on a vehicle I have owned. (I'm probably going to start doing it now though...don't wanna push my luck!)
  • ataieataie Posts: 84
    Just bought a 95 Maxima, with no service records. The car checked out great and it runs super. I've heard that on these cars you need to change the timing belt @ 60K, and due to difficaulty, you may as well change the water pump and the seals for about $900.

    My question, is there a way to check to see if the belt is in good condition or not, or should I go ahead and get it done. I was also told the if the belt goes, I will bend the valves and am looking at $2000 worth of repair.
  • ataieataie Posts: 84
    I forgot to mention, the car has 91k on it.
  • bobs5bobs5 Posts: 557
    I just changed the timing belt this past weekend on my 86 ply. reliant.
    This engine has a 2 piece plastic housing over the timing belt area.I could remove 3 screws and take the upper housing off thereby revealing the timing belt.
    Last replacement was at 75k miles, just replaced at 138k miles.
    A little over 60k miles on last belt and it was showing small cracks. Caught it in time!

    I am not familiar with your Maxima engine, but maybe it has a cover which may be removed easily?
    Good luck.
  • dhoffdhoff Posts: 282
    I think you MAY be in luck. Nissan switched the Maxima engine to a timing chain in either 95 or 96. I don't know which, though.

    I do know how you can find out though. Go the the Maxima BBS and post a question and they should be able to help you out. Here's a link:

    http://socrates.math.ohio-state.edu/testforum/

    Good luck.

    Dave
  • You have the same engine as is in my I30. And yes, you are in luck. This 190HP V6 has a timing chain, not a rubber belt. The chain resembles the metal chain on a bicycle. Once less thing for you to worry about! (It's nice to own a car with the best V6 available!)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Rubber timing belts are not the sinister thing some people make them out to be.

    Just change the thing every 90,000 miles! Is that such a big deal?

    Sorry,tonewheel, but timing chains also give trouble. They stretch, the gears wear and the tensioners wear out.

    When I owned my nice little Nissan pickup, I had to replace those items. Not a big deal, but just due to normal wear after 120,000 miles.
  • But my first ('96) I-30 had 225,000 when I got rid of it...with no timing chain issue. Yep, the gears (sprockets, actually) may round off, the tensioner was a non-issue, and how does a metal chain "stretch". The Nissan V6 190HP was the most trouble-free engine I've ever owned in my 30 years of owning cars.(Ward Automotive's top V6, 5 years running.)
  • I just replaced the timing chain on my 87 Grand National with 73k miles with an Edelbrock true roller. Metal will stretch over time as it is exposed to heat and stress. The stock chain had nylon teeth which were starting to crack. I'd say go ahead and replace the cam button, water pump and, front seal while there. Not sure how much applies to new cars though.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    I was told by the Honda shop that they recommend changing the water pump at the same time because you've already paid for 90% of the labor with the timing belt. If you don't and you have to replace the water pump later, you've effectively doubled your costs. Maybe they were out to make a little extra money, but I figure, better safe than sorry.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    When the timing belt job is done, the water pump is right there and is nothing to replace.

    To me, it would be false economy to not just replace it while doing the timing belt.

    It could last another 50,000 miles or more, but why take the chance? The pump itself isn't that expensive.

    My only point was, to me, anyway, having to replace a timing belt once every 90,000 miles isn't that big of a deal.

    And timing gears, chains and sprockets also wear out!
  • True it is always a good idea to change the waterpump the same time as the timing belt.
    In my case, (just a few days ago)I was having a problem with the engine running rough so I took it in for a tune up. Since I had close to 100km/60m I wanted to replace the timing belt at the same time.
    It turned out that the waterpump was going (eventually siezed) and my belt was chewed up and
    ready to snap!

    Depending on your engine, if you wait for the belt to break, the bill could be 4x more with the extra damage.
    If the belt breaks, the syncronization between the crankshaft and the camshaft will be lost. And
    to make matters worse, as the engine is grinding to a halt, its possible that the pistons and valves will smack together and bend a valve or valves.

    Do yourself a favor and replace the dam belt! For
    most cars its every 60,000 milles/100km. or 4yrs.
    (check your owners manual)
    For some cars its sooner, or if the belt has been splashed with oil it will degrade faster too.

    For me the bill was only $600 canadian for both the belt and waterpump on my 93 lexus es 300. In US funds it should be only half of that:-)

    Cheers, and happy driving.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    Correct me if I'm wrong, isellhondas, but I beleive the Honda recommended service interval for VTEC or DOHC Honda motors is 60k miles, but non-VTEC/SOHC engines are due every 90k miles. Just turned 90k yesterday on my '94 Accord LX (SOHC, non-VTEC), so I've got to get it in soon...
  • I have a 2.5 litreV6 are there any known problems with this engine,it has 27,000 miles.what should I expect
  • I have A Millenia L 97 it seems a bit sluggish,does any one else agree
  • pat455pat455 Posts: 603
    I have answered you in the new topic you created. This topic is about timing belts. Why don't you follow the link I gave you in #865. And you also could use our Search feature to the left to find existing topics in Town Hall about Mazdas.

    Pat
    Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference
  • butch11butch11 Posts: 153
    According to my 97 accord, (non VTEC)owners manual in normal service it says to change the timing belt at 105K. Am at 88K now and plan not to change it till at least 150K. Will not change the water pump unless it has a leak or bearings appear to be shot. My dear dealer wants to change the timing belt at 90K. Saw a 97 belt changed at 110K and it looked new-these things are a lot more durable now and if you put on lots of highway miles-you can probably extend the change interval.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Around 1988 or 89, they went from 60,000 miles to 90,000. V-tech has nothing to do with it.

    Since it's only 15,000 miles between the 90K service and the 105K timing belt job, I would probably just get everything done at 90K.

    Butch11, it's not always possible to determine the condition of a belt by just looking at it. You take a gamble if you want, but why?

    Also, after 100,000 miles, your water pump has had a long life...Will it go another 30,000 miles?

    Perhaps, but since it is exposed and is RIGHT THERE during the timing belt job and can be easilly replaced without additional labor charges, why not get it over with and be done with it once and for all?
  • b3u12b3u12 Posts: 7
    replacing belt for the first time,the shop manual says the tensioner spring and retainer bolt must be installed to obtain proper tension for the timing belt.Car has 58000 miles on it.plan to do the job this spring.advise any one to get these parts before you do the job.Shop manual don,t make any sense on this issue.Anyone have the same experince?Manual is 1996 contour/mystique for a 2.0 engine printed by helminc.
    Edd
  • Have a 97 Camery LE V6 with 64,000 miles. I am getting conflicting info on timing belt replacement. Dealer is pushing 60,000 miles. Owners maintenance manual does not mention timing belt replacement. Toyota On-Line says 60,000 under extreme use. An of-the-self repair manual says 90,000 miles. Any good info out there.
  • I just wonder how much does it cost to change timing belt on honda accord lx '00?
    Also how much for a water pump?
    I asked service person what happens if timing belt breaks at 50,000 miles and vehicle is well maintained; I was told that I have to pay for a valve job...
    I would expect that if a belt is expected to last 100,000 miles manufacturer should pickup the bill.
    Gozdalski
  • bobs5bobs5 Posts: 557
    http://theautoshop.com/timing.html

    This link may help you determine the timing belt replacement interval.
  • bobs5bobs5 Posts: 557
    Most of the Honda engines are interference engines, meaning that if the timing belt breaks, the piston will hit the valves. This will require a valve job if this happens....could require more work than that depending on what else breaks.

    The cost of timing belt replacement will vary from shop to shop.

    What size engine do you have? 4 or 6 cyl.

    Water pumps cost approx. 50 - 150 bucks.
    www.carparts.com may give you an idea of what the cost would be.

    The manufacturer might cover the replacement cost if the belt breaks during the warranty period.
  • Thanks for info, my accord is 4 cyl.
    Are you saying that manuacturer might cover total cost of damage caused by failed timing belt at let's say 45,000 miles?
  • butch11butch11 Posts: 153
    It is 3 year and 36K-the only time dealerships cover anything outside the warranty period is if some govt agency makes them come up with an extended warranty. Lots of time these are hidden-honda has a hidden warranty for accords thru 97 for their emission system.

    My guess is you would pay for a new set of valves.

    Also given my past experience with honda dealers, I avoid them because their objective is to make my wallet a lot thinner. I never ever get anything done by a dealer unless it is warranty work. You can save at least 50% in labor charges by finding some independent mechanic that works on foreign cars and has experience with honda's. My local honda dealer wants $500 to replace the timing belt and water pump-other belts are extra-probably come to almost $600 for everything-will find a local shop to do it for about half that.

    I like honda's but some of their dealers apparently have boat payments due daily.
  • Thanks for info. I agree with you about dealers.
    Someone recommended independent mechanic to me 3 years ago and I always took my other cars '92 aerostar and '98 escort to his garage. I'm very happy with his work. He did many repairs on aerostar but this van is cheap to fix.
  • I have a 94 Camry LE, 4-cylinder. I replaced my Timing Belt at close to 80,000 miles. I suggest you change yours at anywhere from 60k to 90k. Start shopping now. I believe I had a Toyota dealer do it in the $200's. Good luck.
  • bobs5bobs5 Posts: 557
    The manufacturer will probably cover the cost of damage due to a broken timing belt, but only during the warranty period.
    If the warranty is 3 years 36k miles, and it breaks at 45k miles, it would be out of warranty and you would have to pick up the cost of repair.
  • When you change timing belt, you usually change the water pump. A dealer will usually charge for the water pump replacement with numbers from his manual, as if he disassembled your car twice: once for belt and another one for pump. A good independent mechanic will do it basically for the price of the pump. So $200 belt from dealer can cost you $100 more than $300 belt from an independent mechanic.
  • Can't believe it. I have a 1990 Infiniti Q45 that just reached 60,000 for the first time and I took it in for its 60K maintenance. The Infiniti Service dealer quoted me $2,300.00 for parts and mostly labor to replace the timing belt for this V8 engine. Anybody else out there know about similar quotes in luxury vehicles? Car's still worth about $9,000. Don't know if its better to sell it or fix it?

    Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    Thanks!
  • bobs5bobs5 Posts: 557
    $2,300.00 just for the timing belt change? WOW that seems a high price for just a timing belt.

    What else is being done to the car for the 60k maintenance? Depending on what they do, it may be worth it.

    Thats only $230 a year for maintenance....not too bad.

    Heck, you'll probably get another 10 years out of this car.
  • I also have a 90 Q45 (since new). It does not have a timing belt, it has a timing chain. Service manual never calls for chain replacement.
    A very few 90 Q's have had a problem with the timing chain "guides" as they are plastic (until 92 or 93, I recall). This, if it happens, does so around 150K, and you will get a rattling sound upon start-up well in advance of a problem. Chain can not (well, nothing is impossible) suddenly break like the rubber ones due.
  • BTW, mine has 140k miles and original chain and guides...engine quiet as ever. I have never needed to add any oil between normal 3,500 mile changes. Know some Q's that have gone over 200k with no engine problems. Do watch out for transmission though...I have had to replace twice!
  • BTW, mine has 140k miles and original chain and guides...engine quiet as ever. I have never needed to add any oil between normal 3,500 mile changes. Know some Q's that have gone over 200k with no engine problems. Do watch out for transmission though...I have had to replace twice!
  • butch11butch11 Posts: 153
    Talk about brass -----, I would have loved to have been in your shoes when the guy quoted that number. I would ask for a written quote and frame it with an appropriate caption.

    The belt itself is maybe $50 bucks even from a dealer-figure maybe 3 hours of labor-X70 = 210. I drive a honda and my dealer only quoted my $ 500 to change the timing belt along with the water pump. When I requested a written quote-he said, "Well there are a few other things ----". I will find someone else to change my timing belt-suggest you do the same-ask around see who works on imports and has been around for some time.

    The world is full of people who have boat payments due on a daily basis.
  • My Nissan truck's maintenance manual
    recommends changing the timing belt for the V6
    at 105,000 miles. The dealer wanted to change
    the belt at 60,000, I currently have 63,000 miles
    on the truck. Aside from maybe profit, why does
    the dealer want to change to belt so early?
    [email protected]
  • does a 1993 subaru legacy with the non turbo 2.2 litre engine have sufficient valve clearance to prevent them from crashing into the pistons in the event of a timing belt failure?
  • garthgarth Posts: 66
    does your dealer have a particularly large boat he's paying for?

    if the manual says 105k, change it at 105k - and be very suspicious of that dealer.
  • jayguojayguo Posts: 1
    Does anyone know which one is used in Mazda Protege? I was told that timing chain is better than belt. I am wondering which car uses timing chain. Thanks very much.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Hardly a reason to buy a particular make of car!

    Timing chains and guides wear out too! Replacing a timing belt every 100,000 miles is hardly a problem.
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