Car Commercials, the good, the bad, and the annoying!

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDMHmgWGir8&feature=player_embedded

    Funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq-OBmIWbeQ&feature=player_embedded

    2nd one seems a bit silly.

    Hyundai is supposed to market this one more. The old one never got much marketing support.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Marketing tie-in between Mazda and the Lorax movie:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrvg33vkdFI&noredirect=1

    At first it seems like that Prius commercial with all the people in it. Saw it yesterday for the first time, and I was like, huh?

    For those who don't recall the book, it was pro-environment. I guess Mazda is pitching the SkyActiv angle.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    edited February 2012
    Second one was amusing, the weird car they show is some kind of Miura based model, but they are riding in an old BMW 2800/3.0 coupe.

    Azera will be a smooth comfortable car, if not a little overstyled...seems to be the trend now, different for the sake of it.

    Greenie ads don't get me, every time I drive the fintail I think how many smug Prius I cancel out :shades:
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Latest BMW commercial shows a red BMW driving around streets of San Francisco. Very tasteful. They get it on this one. No stupid sliding sideways or blowing up dust and sand in the desert.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,929
    The Subaru ad is clever and I like it, but I can't get too excited about the Gen X/Y driver/owner and I can't really get nostalgic about a Subaru.

    I also like the Camaro ad when the older driver and his older date suddenly lose thirty years as soon as they climb inside the Camaro.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    Early Xers are running up on middle age now and have have seen Subarus for much of their lives, especially in certain regions. The brand might not be targeting older customers as much.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,929
    Do older customers have warm, fuzzy feelings about their Subarus or their parents' Subarus? I have to ask, because honestly, that about makes me laugh out loud. Really.

    I remember the early '70's Subarus our Pontiac dealer took on (then later dropped). Frameless door glass on thin doors, tiny-tiny wheels and tires, and plastic inside that felt like it'd snap off in your hands. And they rusted out, just like the guilty American subcompacts of the period.
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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited February 2012
    I'm hot and cold on mine.

    Yesterday I was leaving a big parking lot that I thought I knew. It was heavily overcast, snowing and misting out and I didn't wipe off the raindrops off the driver's side glass. Instead of going the half block to the end of the aisle, I cut through by the light pole where I thought there was a road cut.

    Nope, was a snow berm about 4' wide. Only about a foot or so deep. I got halfway through and realized that something wasn't quite right. :shades: The Subie (with its new shoes) just scrunched right through. That gave me a lot warmer and fuzzier feeling than having to dig a high centered sedan out. Bad enough clearing the snow out of the lower part of the grill and foglights when I got home. :)
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    I got halfway through and realized that something wasn't quite right. The Subie (with its new shoes) just scrunched right through. That gave me a lot warmer and fuzzier feeling than having to dig a high centered sedan out.

    So, that is a good scenario for a Subaru commercial to appeal to "adults" and possible customers in the snow belt. Practical, makes sense, rather than an Infiniti driver having kids throw snowballs at a BMW driver.

    Subaru had a light-hearted cute commercial for young folks with a recently married couple going on a camping trip and then getting caught in rain in their tent.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited February 2012
    Dang, if only someone had been videoing me, I could have been a youtube star. :shades:

    The minivan would have gotten about 18 inches in, bogged down, and I'd been stuck. Of course I wouldn't have been so casual about the shortcut in the van in the first place.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The movie mangles the story of the Lorax, at least from what I can see from the trailers. Heck, the story of the Lorax could've happened in Philly where a bunch of greedy companies exploited the city's labor and destroyed the city's environment then closed-up and left it a desolate dirty and blighted place, at least in such neighborhoods as Kensington, North Philadelphia, and Nicetown.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Heck, the story of the Lorax could've happened in Philly where a bunch of greedy companies exploited the city's labor and destroyed the city's environment then closed-up and left it a desolate dirty and blighted place

    Why put up with it. Just go to a nice more open area, maybe somewhere in Bucks County. Get a big lot, big house with 4-car garage, enough space to park a Buick, Cadillac, Lexus and a big riding mower. You and wife could be in next Christmas Lexus commercial.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    edited February 2012
    I believe many younger customers have fuzzy feelings about Subarus they had in youth, and fuzzy feelings about their own families who might be well served by a Subaru. It's not about appealing to boomers, it's about appealing to their kids. There are profitable markets out there to seek who aren't all bitter oldsters :shades:

    I think the Subaru of today is as related to the Subaru of 1973 as my fintail is to an SLR
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    Only if lemko becomes some offshoring corporate coward and marries a spoiled pretentious princess :shades:
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,526
    hey who's to say he isn't and she isn't?

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    Maybe the Caddy is just a ruse and he drives a beige Maserati, and wifey drives a white Range Rover...hmmm
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,929
    edited February 2012
    I believe many younger customers have fuzzy feelings about Subarus they had in youth, and fuzzy feelings about their own families who might be well served by a Subaru. It's not about appealing to boomers, it's about appealing to their kids. There are profitable markets out there to seek who aren't all bitter oldsters

    I guess I'm glad that I was born when I was. If you weren't around for the glorious era of new-car introductions each fall, I'm sad for you! I mean that. It was incredible fun. And the choices...

    Plus, today the manufacturers ought to know where the money is--not with you younger slackers ;) .
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,929
    edited February 2012
    The movie mangles the story of the Lorax, at least from what I can see from the trailers. Heck, the story of the Lorax could've happened in Philly where a bunch of greedy companies exploited the city's labor and destroyed the city's environment then closed-up and left it a desolate dirty and blighted place, at least in such neighborhoods as Kensington, North Philadelphia, and Nicetown.

    In my hometown of Greenville, PA (current pop. just under 6,000), townsfolks are now dealing with the bombed-out-Beirut-looking area left behind by Trinity Industries, after 80 years of railcar production ended there shortly after NAFTA passed. It absolutely makes me sick to see it now. There is a hometown Facebook page with over 1,400 members that are trying to contribute ideas, world-wide, to help the town deal with the mess Trinity left. That many members, who live all around the U.S. and even in Europe, confirmed to me that the warm, intimate feelings I had about growing up there in Greenville weren't mine alone.
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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    edited February 2012
    My wife is very much the opposite of a spoiled pretentious princess. I most definitely wouldn't be with her if she was. I'm surprised how down to earth she is despite the fact she grew up in a huge house in Elkins Park - an upscale suburb of Philadelphia. I grew up in a tiny duplex that wouldn't even count for their tool shed. Her Dad was an equally down-to-earth guy who drove a Ford Galaxie although he could've easily afforded a Lincoln Continental.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The young kids, slackers or otherwise, don't HAVE any money! They're so saddled with student loan debt, they'll be lucky to buy a new car by the time they're 40! When I see today's kids, I see them facing the same financial hardships as my great-grandparents. I was lucky to grow up in a time when college was still relatively affordable and one was still able to find work after graduation - even if it wasn't the best fit or have much to do with your major. At least jobs were there. I bought my first new car right after graduation - a black 1987 Chevrolet Caprice Classic. That car served me well during my job search and genesis of my career.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I bet Trinity is still alive and well in Mexico after leaving your hometown desolate and abandoned. The few profit off the exploitation of the many.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I bet Trinity is still alive and well in Mexico after leaving your hometown desolate and abandoned. The few profit off the exploitation of the many.

    Actually alive and well in Dallas as well as Pittsburgh and yes - Mexico.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    The music and design/style of the past were far superior to today, but something does have to be said for the ease of use of modern cars, that most can go 100K with very minimal work needed.

    If cars were only aimed at oldsters, you'd see more commercials for Venzas and Avalons. Someone has to buy Imprezas, and it is generally the under 50 set.

    After the boomers retire en masse and collapse the system with insane public sector benefits and other expenses, nobody but our beloved hardworking ethical honest responsible 1% will be buying new cars :shades: :sick:
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I presume you're being facetious.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,929
    I agree that cars are more 'just get in and go' for longer periods of time, but I would expect that with technology over the decades...I mean, look at how cars changed from the '40's to the '60's with virtually no foreign competition.

    I regret that the domestics took on the imports' way of offering product...minimal colors, body styles, and colors. As little as 25 years ago--maybe less--one never saw an exact duplicate of a car. Options were individual. I liked it that way. Now I see the identical car...I mean identical...parked next to its twin on a new car lot. How boring.

    There was nothing like picking from 16 or 18 exterior colors and five or six or seven interior colors. Ahhhhh.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    Well, design wise they changed, but technology was slower. Sometimes I think GM would still be making cars with carbs and single circuit drum brakes all round if not for the competition :shades:

    There's also less intentional obsolescence today, which is a good thing. A 1952 car in 1962 looked positively ancient. A 2002 car in 2012 often looks modern and the average non-enthusiast probably has no idea it isn't newer.

    The color ideal is a valid point, powertrains and bodystyles too. Look at how many variants you could derive from an Impala or Galaxie in the mid 60s. You can still get lots of different color options - but only in highline cars. I will also say this when looking at my cars - the modern car has near supercar performance, is quiet at speed, smooth, reliable, needs no special maintenance, gets better mileage than the old car, and has a lot of cosseting features. But the old car is still more fun to drive and interesting to look at.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    Me? Facetious? Never :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited February 2012
    It would not be the first time Hollywood sold out... :lemon:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,802
    Speaking of snow, my '11 Explorer was great in some snow we drove through on Friday.
    Lots of people hate SUV's, but it just crushed it's way through the snow on the unplowed lane on the interstate.
    I was going maybe 40 max, but I was not going to sit behind cars that were 20 to 25 mph.
    It was the first time i had driven it in snow, so until I got out the owner's manual for another reason, I forgot it had a 'snow mode'. :blush:
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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited February 2012
    I think it's the tires. I got stuck in the same area last year in the same car with the old tires. Snow wasn't as deep either. :shades:

    The ~9" of ground clearance helps a lot though. We want to drive the van south in a couple of days and the tires on it are about done. Have to go ~4 hours before getting out of the snow, so it'll be a leisurely start to the drive.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    I saw this Subaru ad yesterday, which amused me:

    http://youtu.be/FOesAN18EIA

    Not for the Subaru, but for the old "first car", which appears to be a relatively rare 87-88 Ciera coupe.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I always found it odd that GM produced so many different large-ish coupes.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    Badge engineering where you become your closest competitor. Not the best business model.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Regal, Cutlass, and Grand Prix, right? 3 or more.

    They built big coupes just when everyone wanted sedans.

    Ford laughed all the way to the bank with their Taurus.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120228/OEM/120229878/1283

    CR just ranked it their top pick among small cars, elevating Subaru to the top among brands.

    Enthusiasts may roll their eyes, but even we know the marketing value of this is huge. Of course you can't mention CR by name so expect to see a lot of ads with "according to a leading consumer magazine" in the near future.

    Actually, hopefully not. Stick to their guns and keep doing the touchy-feely thing.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    edited February 2012
    It wasn't related to those coupes, the Ciera would have been related to a Century/Celebrity/6000. I think only the Century was also made in that close coupled design, which means it only really competed with its platform mate and not from any other maker. The coupes were slow sellers.

    The larger coupes were Monte Carlo/Regal/Cutlass/GP. The latter were updated for 1988 (and sold relatively well, I think) and the old Monte soon dropped.

    Taurus had all the thunder in the 86-onward time for sure, huge mass market appeal.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    Subaru would be well advised to not mention it at all.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sounds right. Didn't they stick the word "Cutlass" in a lot of models? Cutlass Ceira, Cutlass Supreme, etc. Confusing.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    There was a Cutlass Calais too, and the wagon was a Cutlass Cruiser. Then it all later just became the Cutlass, but by then nobody but oldsters and rental agencies cared.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,929
    I always found it odd that GM produced so many different large-ish coupes.

    Ahhhh, the days of choice.

    Actually, even I think having Pontiac, Olds, and Buick as 'middle' divisions was excessive. But then, I bought Chevys. I think they could've gotten away with one 'middle' division.
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,929
    Olds utilized the 'Cutlass' name to ridiculous lengths, trying to get a feel-good thing going on from its years of excellent sales in the late '70's and early '80's. Calling three completely different cars "Cutlass" was silly I think.
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,929
    Well remember, the Regal, Cutlass, and Grand Prix FWD coupes of the late '80's and early '90's were pretty good sellers, and sedans were also offered. Ford's large coupes, the Thunderbird and Cougar, were absolute dinosaurs in comparison...the way the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis were allowed to soldier on for fifteen years after GM quit building their big RWD sedans.

    Speaking of badge engineering, I don't see too much about Lincoln's Fusion. It's as similar to a Fusion as a Cimarron was to a Cavalier.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    I saw the 89+ big Ford coupes as more modern looking than the GM cars, but as I was in junior high at the time, they weren't exactly in my purchasing lineup :shades: The hoary 2.8-3.1 noises often coming from those cars probably didn't help.

    Nobody buys Lincoln's Fusion. I wouldn't be surprised if GM actually conned more into buying Cimarrons.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I remember how in the late 70s the Old Cutlass was the best selling car in the country. After that, yeah, they threw the Cutlass name on everything.

    Watching what happened to Oldsmobile is a study of GM at its worst. They had confusing focus all around and lost all concept of what an Olds should be. Then, as a parting screw up, they did that bit where they decided Olds was going to be their import fighter will all the new designs (which to my eye were actually quite attractive and still hold up today) with the same mechanicals underneath. The import folks weren't biting and there was nothing left for the traditional Oldsmobile buyer to relate to. It was sad to see that happen.

    That said, I agree with uplander that one mid-level brand is enough. Certainly no one else had more than one after the grand Edsel experiment. Chrysler had their own middle brands but by the late 50s DeSoto was functionally dead and completely so shortly thereafter and Dodge was just a rebadged Plymouth.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Calais, yeah. I dated a girl in college, her best friend had one. That had the GM V6 that sounded like gargling with mouth wash. Also had the touchy on-off throttle. Dip in to it just a tad and it would literally surge forward. Tough to drive smoothly.

    Also, very inefficient with space. The back seat was tiny.

    Those were Grand Am clones, right? IIRC.

    Remember the odd ball Cutless Supreme convertible? Those were pretty rare. They had that style bar like the VW Cabrio had.

    I preferred the boxy Regal T-Top. Her other friend had one of those and we drove it to the beach once. Then again it may just be the nostalgia of a fun trip with 4 cute girls (me being the only guy). LOL
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited February 2012
    Nobody buys Lincoln's Fusion

    Yeah, that model really struggled. It looked way too much like the Fusion it was based on. Not to mention the Milan that it shared a showroom with at first.

    Then all the name confusion - Zephyr, Mark Z, ...

    The new one nearly caught fire at NAIAS last month, not a good start. :sick:
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Calais was actually the bottom end Cadillac from 1965-1976.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,516
    A Cutlass Calais was a Grand Am clone, yes. And of course there was a Buick version too. And as Lemko says, it was a Caddy name once. What is it with GM and names? The corporate leadership either destroys equity after a few years or brings them back after eons.

    The Regal/Supreme class of cars were worlds better than the smaller models.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I kind of liked those Cutlass Supreme convertibles. I still see them around from time to time.
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