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like the Buick version suspension?
The toyota version suspension?
And then the Honda/mazda Nissan sportier versiON?
Or are all the trim lines the same?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
The Camry SE isn't sporty, and there's nothing wrong with that.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Get a G35, CTS, or 3 series.
CTS has a low standard of luxury and handling compared to A3, and poor gas mileage.
G35 is a small fortune more than an Audi A3 frontrak.
I have never even seen a frontrak A4. You would be better off buying a Passat.
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Are you serious? They are all over the place here in So Cal as well as in Atlanta. I don't have the numbers with me but I believe Audi sold more FWD A4 than the Quattro version.
One of our dealers sells a fair number of Audis pre-owned and would never even think of trying to sell a frontrak A4. On 2006 A4s FWD is a 2,200 dollar deduct wholesale which just happens to be more then you would pay for the option brand new in 2007.
2018 430i Gran Coupe
He said A4.
Now you're in G35 price territory, and it's over.
G35x vs. A4 Quattro is a better fight.
G35x vs. 3.2 A4 Quattro
IS250 AWD vs. 2.0T A4 Quattro
Back on Toyota on offensive...
I would like to see Lexus brings back the IS300 to replace the IS250. The old 3.0L I6 will give the much needed power boost to the lower end IS. Granted the 2.5L V6 is smooth and all but 200HP is just pathetic for a V6 these days (and yes I know it's only 2.5L). Is it enough for daily use and under normal driving condition? You bet. But it is just not being competitive in today's entry level luxury performance sedan market. A 230HP IS300 will be a formidable competitor to both the 328i and C300.
Do I think this'll happen? Not really since the 3.0L I6 is an old engine and apparently Toyota/Lexus is making all it's V6 engines into GR series. Reduce production cost I guess...
IMHO they could both be 3.5l engines, just use the simpler injection systems on the low-end models, from the Toyota models. Give it 265hp.
A 240HP IS300 with manual tranny and sport suspension can shut off many BMW enthusiasts' mouth. :P
http://cardevotion.com/Article/186/NewsFlash__Toyota_Hybrid_Races_to_Victory_in_- 24_Hour_Endurance_Event.html?ref=gc
The most important reason: It's RWD.
Also, although Honda Accord EX V6 is fairly luxurious but it is no comparison to the Lexus. Granted if one has a budget around $25K and needs a family sedan then the Accord might be the way to go. However, if one rarely has the rear seat occupied, has higher budget and is a sucker for luxurious interior (like me :P ) then the IS might be the better choice.
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200 hp would be plenty for the base model if the IS weighed 2700 pounds instead of 3700 or whatever it is.
And yes, the JZ is gone (too heavy and too expensive and too smoggy).
The days of sub-3000-lb-sedan are over. The extra airbags, safety nannies and gadgets would just keep adding up the weight. Even the much loved, standard of all sports sedans 3-series (335i) weighed 3605 lbs.
For those who are interested:
IS250: 3435 lbs
IS350: 3527 lbs
G35: 3538 lbs
TL: 3636 lbs
328i: 3406 lbs
335i: 3605 lbs
C350: 3505 lbs
C300: 3560 lbs
The sales people will not like hearing this but it is the TRUTH!
Just a couple of years ago the BMW 5 series base car had around 190 HP V-6 for a car that is mid sized is pretty puny but thats what they do. Your probably not getting this for the fuel ecoonmy but the IS 250 has the best fuel of any of the V-6 out there with 28/32 which would be probably be a little lower.
Even the 300 HP GS which is like a larger IS has mpg of 21/29. Compare that to a Chrysler Sebring convertible with the 235 HP V-6 and it only get 16/26 mpg. Which is pretty bad and chrysler branded cars are the least effecient cars compared to ford and gm.
Even my MINI Cooper S, best handling FWD car I have ever been in, weighed almost 2,600 lbs.
You need a car down in that size range to be under 3,000 lbs now and that is hard to do with a RWD sedan.
Just glancing at the specs of older 5 and 7 series models compared to new 5 and 3 series models you can see the changes.
A 2008 550 is only a few inches shorter then a 740i and only a couple hundred lbs lighter. a 2007 335i is only 200 lbs lighter then a 1999 540i. The 335 does get much better gas mileage though so there have been improvements of course to more then make up for that weight difference.
IS250's competitors:
C300: 228HP
328i: 230HP
TSX: 205HP (it has a 4-banger)
A4 2.0T: 200HP (Turbo 4)
Given that the different between the IS350 and IS250 is 102HP, bump the IS250 up to 240HP shouldn't hurt the 350 sales at all. Also, it's not like Lexus is trying to sell the IS350 in volumes anyway.
Do I think a 240HP IS250 with MT and sport suspension will handle as good as a sport package 328i? I am not sure, but I think it'll give the 328i a run for its money. Same goes to the IS350, if one day Lexus decides to lighten up and drop a MT into that car, watch out 335i!
Lexus, are you listening...
Well I think is the first vehicle(Tundra)that Toyota has ever put huge incentives on like this but your right Toyota loyalists do attack other carmakers for putting discounts/rebates on their vehicles. Toyota fans don;t like other manunfacturers putting/discounts on their vehicles because of the rsale value factorand Toyota's do hold their value pretty well.
1. Toyota is buying its way into the full size truck market. They are profitable so they can play this game.
2. I don't like huge incentives on the Tundra either but since American are used to buying full size pickups with incentives I can understand Toyota's strategy.
3. The correct incentive on Tundra is $4,625 not $6,861. Edmunds has just revised the number. Here's the link:
Edmunds Revises Toyota Incentives Estimate
Or for people who are elcheapo but want rwd, throw in the 2.4 as the base, price it where accord ex is.
Toyota Crown
As for the AE86 successor, I don't know what platform it is going use. If the size is not much smaller than IS then a shortened IS platform is a possibility (keep in mind that IS uses a shortened GS platform). Like you said, the weight will be a major problem if the new AE86 does end up with the IS platform. However, Toyota can overcome that by getting rid off all the unnecessary gadgets and safety nannies. That may not be a bad idea since this is suppose to be a fun little coupe anyway. 180HP 2.4L and max 3000 lbs (the lower the better of course) could be a very good combination.
Yowzah, you call that a sports car! :P J/K
Seriously, a base model Lotus Elise weighs in at 1984lbs or something, also carrying a 180hp motor. I'd ask for nothing over 2500lbs, and even that is pushing it... And with AWD, I would ask for at least 200hp, the 2.4 (from the Camry I assume) should be good for it. Even cooler would be the 2.5 Boxer motor like the one I have in my Impreza. That is a gutsy little engine right there, plenty for my little wagon. Refine it a bit and it would make a great motor in a sports car.
I've said this in the past, keep the price around 20 grand before options (AWD optional) and sell it under the Scion badge. It'll fit right in over there.
3,000 lbs and 220 hp would be pretty good though I would prefer a few hundred lbs less weight. A rwd car with 170 or so hp and 2,500 lbs like my MINI Cooper S would be about perfect.
The new AE86 will be in a different category than the Elise. The Elise is pretty much a track-ready sports car which can go from 0 to 60 in like what 4 to 4.5 seconds? If I am not mistaken, the new AE86 should be good at handling but not super fast (around mid to high 6 secs). Given that the 205HP TSX weighed 3257 lbs (15.89 lbs/HP) can do 0-60 in low 7's I don't see why a RWD 200HP & 3000 lbs AE86 can't do better.
I would like to see this entry RWD coupe to carry the Toyota badge because let's face it, Toyota really needs some help on the performance department. With the new AE86 and Supra Toyota should have a pretty decent lineup in the years to come.
Scion on the other hand could use a mini cross-over, very much like the previous gen RAV4. tC is a decent enough sporty (hint: not sports) coupe for daddy's little girl or any boy racer wannabes who care more about the car's color than what's under the hood (believe me, there are A LOT of them out there).
Lexus should drop the GX, up market the 2009 RX and introduce another cross-over slotted under the RX. It should be Lexus' X3/RDX/EX fighter. I think a 3 model SUV/CUV lineup is enough for Lexus for now. For the car front, beautify the next SC, introduce the LF-C and make an IS coupe should make it a pretty competitive lineup. As for the F division, besides the LF-C and IS-F, I would like to see at least another model called GS-F. Oh by the way, not to forget the most important...drop a manual tranny or at least DSG in the IS350 and IS-F for *bips* sake.
We are talking about Toyota here, give them a break...
:P
http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/3197
I'm all over the very first one in the mid-Atlantic if they can really produce an AWD roadster for under $17k. In fact I may have to buy 2 of them.
Should not be a surprise that they would tap Subaru's talent to help build it, given they own about 9% of Subaru's parent company.
And as far as the above discussion on Tundra incentives, it truly has reached the point of disgusting as high as they have gone. I understand why they have done it, to get into a market segment they weren't in before, but now that they can trumpet their 134% increase in sales vs last July, and are hitting and exceeding their (annualized) sales targets, we should see those incentives drop by half or more. Will we though? Not likely, is my prediction.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)