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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The former. If you get the extension with it, that has an extra elbow, so it'll pretty much go into any position.

    I'm still fiddling with it. Right now it blocks the radio display, but it's easy to rotate out of the way, and back. Too low and it hits my knee, too far forward blocks 1st gear, too far away and I can't reach the buttons to dial.

    That's the CCM model, it retails for $70, though the speaker gets scratchy. OK for casual use, not for business use (go full bore). Nokia also makes one for $80 which may be a bit better.

    Here's the clincher - I got it and the extension for $25 at mobshop.com, though that was an auction that closed soon thereafter.

    -juice
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    bg18947bg18947 Member Posts: 184
    Kate,

    I too swear by AutoFom. Used it on my 91 Accord. I believe AutoFom has been taken off the market. I read another e-mail thread that some users claimed that it damaged their paint. I had no such problems. I haven't seen it on a store shelf for about 2 years. It was great for winter waxing because it did not freeze. This is the paint sealant that Dennis Weaver advertised in the infomercials. My friend used it on bathroom porcelain surfaces. He says that toothpaste would slide off the sink. When the Accord was parked outdoors, an application every 6 months protected it. I'll have to try Zaino if indeed Autofom is off the market. I use to apply wax in between Autofom applications. Autofom is a paint sealant like Zaino, not a wax.
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    newobeenewobee Member Posts: 15
    I don't know where anyone lives or what retailers are available to you. But I was just at Menards yesterday and saw AutoFom on the shelf there. I think Menards is national. ?
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    2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    >>I think Menards is national?<<

    I've lived in New Jersey, Florida, North Carolina, and now Missouri. I've never seen or heard of Menards.

    Dave
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I tried several URLs and none seemed to work. Oh well.

    For the record, I haven't heard of them either (MD/DC/VA).

    -juice
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    newobeenewobee Member Posts: 15
    Ok, apparently Menard's is more regional or local than I thought. I live in Iowa and am bordering Nebraska. Menard's are in both those states...it is like a super hardware/home store. They have eliminated the old smaller lumber and hardware stores.
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    mcj13mcj13 Member Posts: 85
    also in Illinois

    and yes now that I'm a quasi owner, I'm reading these posts as well, Mary
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    armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    are a corrupting, evil influence. Nu Finnished the new Forester before I had it 24 hours (well since I was inspecting the paint for flaws anyway...), Scotchgarded it today. Tinting next week. What next?? Aarrgghh!

    Ross
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    mcj13mcj13 Member Posts: 85
    I was hoping when the time came that I would find some posts here on how best to remove stickers. Maybe I'm in the wrong topic, because I'm sure I read discussion on this somewhere.

    Anyway, if you can help, the very first thing I want to do with my car is remove the "Outback Sport" off each side, I'd also like to remove the pinstripes and other stickers. I did this to my last car as well, but I wasn't as concerned about the paint, so I used lacquer thinner and acetone for the more stubborn spots--don't want to use them on my 97.

    Mary
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    2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    Within only a few weeks of picking up my 00 Legacy, I had a couple of small chips of paint knocked out of the hood. Haven't gotten any since, and today I finally got out there and put on some touch up paint. I was very happy with the results. I used a very light touch, and plan to put one more coat on tomorrow and it should be nearly as good as new. I think it worked better because it's a dark color. (winestone pearl) We used touch up on my wife's car which is white, and it didn't come out nearly as good.

    Dave
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    mccrairmccrair Member Posts: 9
    Dave,

    Where did you get the touch-up paing? Did you have to go to the dealership to get an exact match?

    I've got a couple of annoying small chips in my black 2000 Outback I'd like to repair....

    Thanks,

    Mike
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    hciaffahciaffa Member Posts: 454
    There was something posted on the Vmag site on Subarus a long time back on sticker and decal removal. Just find yourself a shady spot to do this because it can take a while. Get yourself a good hair dryer and heat the decal at a corner and try to lift it up. slowly start to peel it away on a diagonal while still appling heat to the underside of the decal. After its removed use some goof off or rubbing alcohol to remove any sticky residue (try this on small area first to see if the paint will be affected, DO NOT use acetone, cause its bye bye clear coat. When done wash the sticker area using dishwashing detergent to really clean the area and this apply a coat of wax. Hope this helps.
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Ross: you didn't forget to wax the door jambs, right? ;)

    Mary: I removed the "AWD" stickers on the rear windows, the enormous air bag warnings from the glove box door, and the dealers' stickers on the exterior. Do it ASAP, and it's easier.

    I used a razor for the window (only!) to get it started, then it peeled off. You can clean off any left over goo with bug & tar remover, just make sure to clean it later and not to leave any residue.

    The others peeled off nicely, so I didn't have to use any heat or chemical cleaners.

    -juice
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    gtdrivergtdriver Member Posts: 67
    I just read this column's various postings and have a few thoughts from personal experience:
    I have used Nu Finish for years because Consumer Reports had top-rated it years ago. It has worked well, but I hate the stink it leaves on my hands for two days. I have also had nice results with Liquid Glass; smells nice, but it is very expensive. CR recently tested car polishes again and concluded there is no best choice for everyone; it depends on your paint color, how often you polish your car, how hard you like to wotk etc. I bought some highly-rated 3-M Cleaner and polish based on its strong cleaning ability on light colors and good results in gloss improvement (CR found that some polishes actually dull finishes). I used it on my '97, which had been previously polished only once or twice, and the results were incredible. It was easy because it's one step; you just rub it in as you apply then switch to a buff cloth for each panel, rather than the traditional "wax on, wax off". It has no bad smell and isn't terribly expensive. Like virtually all 3-M products, this one is extremely good. The only downside is that, according to CR, it does not provide as long-lasting protection as some of the other products.
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    gtdrivergtdriver Member Posts: 67
    A few additional thoughts... My '97 is white and the 3-M product removed water spots, bird crap acid stains, light scratches, etc. It even COMPLETELY removed the nasty scrathes inside the door pull area making them look like new. So while stinky vinegar and various other concoctions may work well for H2O spots, this product may be a lot easier.
    I had one of those premium-fuel-requiring '96 2.5's and rarely put in premium during the three years I leased it. I did notice a slight difference in get-up-and-go when I used premium, but the knock-sensor will retard the timing and prevent any damage, at least in the short-term. I have read that you should always use whatever octane the owner's manual recommends. The knock sensor retards the timing to prevent knocking, but also reduces power and fuel economy, and can lead to a buildup of residue on the valves over time with prolonged use of 87 octane. I used it in mine because it was leased and I knew I wouldn't do harm in 45,000 miles (and obnoxiously, didn't care if I did), but if I owned it, I would always use premium. The improved performance, slightly better mileage and peace-of-mind would justify the extra few hundred bucks a year. I factor the fuel requirement into the decision of what car to buy. The switch of the 92 to 87 requirement for the '97 played into the decision to BUY the '97 I currently drive.
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    armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    Back to do the door jambs. How did you know? Guess I should have kept my mouth shut, but...

    Ross
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm also very thorough, and I just had a feeling with the way you described it.

    -juice
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    miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Lots of detailing ideas and goodies at Autopia Detailing Tips. Wow! An amazing encyclopedia of cleaning tips (and the products used therein).

    And for the true enthusiast, see these valve stem caps with Subaru logo.

    Info based on an i Club post by SubieGal (Jamie) (and yes, she really does auto-cross).

    Whew, six embedded URLs in one post.. I'm bushed!

    ..Mike

    PS - Crossposted in > as >.

    ..Mike

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    2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    >>Where did you get the touch-up paing? Did you have to go to the dealership to get an exact match?<<

    Yep, just go to the parts counter and tell them what color you need. With older cars they may ask for the VIN to help them find the right stuff. It comes in a little bottle, with a small brush built into the cap, sorta like nail polish.

    Dave
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm getting a price from Darlene, in case anyone else is interested in the touch-up paint. How much did you pay?

    -juice
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    $4 per tube for touch up paint from Darlene.

    Uh, specify color.

    -juice

    PS Nice thing about the Forester L's plastic cladding - no touch ups required so far.
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    miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    juice, I showed you that chip on the front door molding of the GT. A small area of paint chipped off, exposing the gray plastic beneath (courtesy of a contumelious anonym). I wonder if the Forester/OB cladding is made of the same material.

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Probably the same plastic material, but the Forester L is unpainted, so it actually resists dings better. It's a solid color all the way through, so any scratches or nicks can be buffed.

    Ouch, sounds like you need a tube. At least it's on the cladding, and not sheet metal. I'd still touch it up.

    There's something to be said for unpainted cladding! I'll admit it doesn't look as good, especially in some colors (while the monotone Foresters and Legacys are gorgeous), but it is functional.

    -juice
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    abhidharmaabhidharma Member Posts: 93
    For those of us who were a little stumped by today's lesson:

    contumelious -- insolent, reproachful.

    :)

    Thanks, Dr. Mike!

    Randy
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    OK, but who's gonna define insolent and reproachful for us dummies?

    Kidding.

    -juice
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    miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Hehe Randy, I know some of you appreciate words. According to Subaru demographics, we owners tend to be well educated (sorry but I'm no PhD), so I hoped some of you might appreciate a few words unfamiliar to me.

    When I can't think of a word, I dive into Microsoft Bookshelf and hello thesaurus! Hyperlinks in a dictionary and thesaurus are definitely a practical use of "technology" -- I can entertain myself for eons! I love learning new words (but I quickly forget them so I'm always poking around the dictionary). When I think Bookshelf is running too fast, I use dictionary.com; here are some definitions: contumelious anonym.

    "insouciant" might have fit, but "Blithe lack of concern; nonchalance" wasn't quite the right definition (though it has a wonderful pronunciation), the person that dinged the door might have been carefree but I needed a stronger word.

    I can't remember the name of the other linguaphile here (come forth, come forth!), but for those that are, I recommend subscribing to AWAD (A.Word.A.Day). It's a quick read and a wonderful way to start your day. And it's only A word a day!

    Glad you enjoyed it, Randy.

    Cheers,

    ..Mike "Dr. Thesaurus"

    ..Mike

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    mcj13mcj13 Member Posts: 85
    For popular makes and colors, you can often get the exact match at your local Pep Boys or Auto Zone in both spray cans and touch-up bottles or tubes. I haven't looked, but I doubt they have many Subaru colors.

    I think it's really worth searching and paying extra for an exact match (fading excepted). If Darlene above has it, that's the way to go.

    My local Sherwin Williams automotive paint shop used to mix the paint and put it in spray cans and a touch up bottle for an exact match. It was a great service, but they don't want to do it anymore. They will still mix a pint or more if you need that much.

    Mary
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    mcj13mcj13 Member Posts: 85
    All cars carry a color code identification somewhere, usually on the driver door jam or under the hood. The code for my Sport is under the hood, stamped on the vin plate.

    Mary
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    torektorek Member Posts: 92
    Mike Smith was probably not referring to me, but the appellation is appropriate.

    For those who, like me, have a penchant for the printed page, I recommend "The Synonym Finder" by J. I. Rodale. Also, if you can find it, "Mrs. Byrne's Dictionary of Unusual, Obscure, and Preposterous Words" is ... well, you can imagine. :-)

    (I myself would not use "contumelious" in the above situation -- it implies a direct confrontation. We cannot know whether said anonym was belligerent or merely insensible. But I digress.)

    Chris
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    For just $4, I'd get the OE tube.

    Hope I have time to clean the Soob up on Friday. I'd like to mount the new rims and take some nice pics.

    Though we're off to the beach for another road trip, so it'll just get dirty again. Oh well, it's supposed to, right?

    -juice
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    miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Logophile, that's the ticket!

    Chris, logophile (not linguaphile) was the word of which I was thinking but couldn't recollect. Thanks for the reference recommendations (hey, that's an alliteration, though weak). And thanks for catching my misapplication of contumelious; your dictionary has a better definition than Bookshelf. Touché. My blunder wasn't sufficiently egregeious to qualify as a solecism. Nor was it a lapsus calami: I didn't slip, I made a mistake. :)

    In writing this discourse, I encountered this delicious alliteration: hysteron proteron. As a fellow compu-dude, you'll appreciate my new word for "legacy" application:

    Mortmain: the often oppressive influence of the past on the present.

    Hahaha. Been there, done that?

    Goodness, I've become (some might assert "remain") logorrheic.. signing off.

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

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    2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    >>$4 per tube for touch up paint from Darlene.<<

    I paid about twice that.
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    lwhittylwhitty Member Posts: 12
    When I purchased an Escort in 1993, as a thank you for answering a buyer survey form, Ford sent a bottle of touch up paint as a thank you. It was a nice gesture.

    This is my first post to any of the Subaru forums. Thanks partly to the posts I've read in these groups in the past month, I purchased my '00 Outback Limited last week, and I couldn't be happier!

    -Lee
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    kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    Well, I just brought home a brand new Forester 01 S premium (silver). Looks and runs great. I really want this car to last and keep nice appearance for years. What would you guys recommend as preventive measures to protect paint, vinyl and rubber parts? For upholstery I guess Scotchguard is the choice...

    What should I apply to exterior finish, to protect paint from losing gloss? Anyone knows about Prolong Paint Sealant? They claim it will keep paint glossy for years w/o waxing...

    What about vinyl (protection from sun)? I live in sunny California, and on my old Subaru'92 a few pieces of vinyl trim close to windows discolored over time.

    Any other helpful hints of what to do with a new car, to keep it nicely looking? It's been 8 years since I bought my previous car, and many new car care products came on the market since then.

    Also, if anyone has good suggestion on windows tinting, I'd appreciate them! I want to go with professional tinting shop, but don't know which film to get. I guess, market leaders are Madico and 3M films... any opinions on which one to choose?

    Sorry, so many questions at once... but I really love my new 4-wheeled baby, and want to care for it well.

    Kate
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    kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Kate,

    Congratulations on your new vehicle. Here's a couple of tips for keeping you Forester looking great:

    Exterior:
    I'm skeptical about the paint sealants dealers try and sell you. In my opinion, there is no substitute to frequent washing and waxing to keep your paint looking new. The sealant, at best, would put a thin layer of clearcoat like material on your vehicle. However, no 'coating' is scratch-resistant and you'll probably end up needing to wax the vehicle anyway.

    Instead of throwing hundreds of dollars into a paint sealant, go and buy a good car shampoo, a wool wash mit, chamois, terrycloth towels and a cleaning/wax system. Some good brands are Meguiar's, Mothers, 3M and Zymol. People will tell you certain brands are better than others. Try out a couple and find one that you like.

    I live in Northern CA and I've adopted the following routine for my black 98 Forester S:
    - Dust vehicle using California Car Duster daily
    - Wash every week ~ two weeks
    - Use a cleaner/wax every month ~ 1.5 months
    - Do a full cleaner/polish/wax once every 6 months
    - Promptly remove any bird droppings and bugs using Meguiar's Quik Detailer spray

    Interior:
    Sunlight is the worst offender of interior fading. Since you live in CA, I'd suggest getting your windows tinted with a high quality metalic film from 3M or Madico. Both are very good brands. Shop around since tint shops prices can vary quite a bit.

    Get at least all the windows behind the driver tinted. You can also get the driver and front passenger side windows tinted with an extremely light tint that's designed more to cut UV rays. Also, buy a window shade and use it even on cloudy days.

    Hope this helps!

    Ken
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    kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    Thanks for the info, Ken.

    I figure out from some previous posts that you live in the Bay Area -- and so do I. I have to commute to work 35 mi one way to Silicon Valley every day (down 880, what a horror), you probably know what it means ;-(.

    With a family (2 kids) and such a commute, unfortunately, no way I can spend as much time cleaning and waxing the car as you recommend, so I'm looking for an easy way out!

    I meant not the dealer's paint sealant stuff, but a paint sealant kit by Prolong sold by autosupplies stores ($14.99). I wonder if anyone's
    tried that stuff. I'm afraid to use something that can possibly harm the finish, but it might be a great product, who knows.

    Thanks again,

    --Kate
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    gearhead4gearhead4 Member Posts: 122
    I don't think we have closed the discussion on protecting the interior surfaces.

    I formerly used Clear Guard. This Turtle Wax product is mostly silicone oil. It lubricates, cleans (as an oil, it can dissolve grease and tar) and possibly protects. It also attracts dust, then evaporates and leaves a black film on the inside of the glass (and probably your lungs). These days, it's hard to find. Turtle Wax says they still manufacture it, but they also seem to be pushing toward newer products like Formula 2001 Protectant with UV protection.

    I've recently switched to the Formula 2001. It seems to last much longer than other products. I put it on my wife's car, and after 2 months of parking in the sun, the vinyl still shines. It doesn't attract dust like the Clear Guard.

    I agree that a non-glossy surface it probably desirable, but I am willing to endure the glare if a "protectant" is reflecting UV rays.

    Ultra Violet light can really make things look old before their time.

    -gearhead4

    P.S. I have used NuFinish on the paint for years with good results, but it does seam to leave a slight haze on the Timberline paint on my Legacy.
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    kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Kate,

    Oh boy. You must live in the East Bay. Yes, I know how bad that can be. I've done the 880 commute before and it was enough to force me to move over to the Penninsula. The 280 is a much better commute.

    Sorry about the confusion. I read that you had a new car so I immediately assumed you were looking into a sealant job. :) Unfortunately, I don't have much experience with the off-the-shelf paint sealants. My guess is that it alone probably won't hurt your paint job. However, I couldn't imagine it working any better than a traditional wax -- you'll still need to regularly wash the exterior.

    If you're pushed for time then going to a car wash is not a bad alternative. Choose the 'Hand Wash' or 'Touchless' types. I've seen several around the El Camino area in Silicon Valley for $8-10.
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    2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    >>no way I can spend as much time
    cleaning and waxing the car as you recommend, so
    I'm looking for an easy way out!<<

    Nufinish twice a year will keep it looking shiney and make the water bead. I've used it on my last three cars and plan to keep using it. As for Scotchguard, good luck finding it, it's no longer being made.

    Dave
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    armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    lots available at my local Canadian Tire. :-)
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    torektorek Member Posts: 92
    I.e., NuFinish, or the one I like, Zaino (www.zainobros.com). I "Z'ed", as the Zaino nuts put it, my Forester back in March or so, and I just washed it last weekend and it still looks great. The icky tree sap / aphid drops came right off. The bugs I impaled on the front, coming back up I-5 at dusk, were a little more work, but also came off.

    BTW, it could be worse. I live in El Cerrito, and on those rare occasions when I have to go down to San Jose, I have to contend with the Eastshore. :-) (I-80 "westbound", i.e., going south, through Berkeley and Emeryville is permanently congested. You can hit a two-mile backup at midnight. I sure hope the change to the Cypress Freeway helps.)

    Chris
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Kate: first of all congrats.

    My advice is to keep in clean first and foremost. Waxing is great if you have the time, and makes cleaning easier too.

    Tinting is the best way to prevent fading of the interior. I have a 35% tint, and it keeps the interior cool, looks cool, and reduces glare.

    A quick and easy way to clean the dash is the Swiffer cloths. Since you don't want to dedicate too much time, it ought to work for you.

    I picked up a pressure washer for many purposes, but it makes washing the car quick and even fun. The water pressure alone does most of the work, but it also lathers up soapy foam and sprays that on. The only part done by hand is with a wash mitt, and it takes only a few minutes. I hardly even get wet any more.

    Enjoy your new wheels.

    -juice
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    kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    Juice,

    Actually, I was lurking on this forum for quite a while and got the same PW from the same source as you recommended (even before I got my Forester).
    Also, a purchase of $99 was much easier to justify with my husband than that of $25K, for some strange reasons :-).

    Power washer proved great. I have much more fun cleaning cars, patio, driveway, and it also proved very useful to wash (outside) windows upstairs: just shoot'em up.

    Tinting: already took Forester to the local shop in Hayward (Westint), also recommended by someone on this forum. I'm getting Madico metallized 20%, also on sunroof.

    One problem: this new baby looks so clean and shiny, I'm afraid to drive it! Kept it in the garage so far, while getting around in the old loyal friend Subaru Loyale'92. Yeah, now you all can laugh at me...
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Mine's nice and sandy from a beach trip. No real challenge (that'll have to wait until I visit the OBX this fall), just light driving.

    Time for a nice wash.

    -juice
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    amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    Hey Kate, you aren't the only one who keeps their new car in the garage. Whenever I get an inkling of rain, in goes the OB, and out comes the Mazda. I love the Subaru's shiny gloss, and don't want to get it dirty at all unless I must!! kind of ironic, given the intended use of these vehicles...

    - ash ('00 OB)
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm lucky enough to go from car port to garage and back. So the beach filth is really out of character for me.

    Gotta go wash it...

    -juice
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    just_visitingjust_visiting Member Posts: 5
    Hi, I've been lurking here for a while and really enjoy this forum. Plus I'm learning a lot about my Y2K Forester L. You guys are great!

    Got a couple of newbie questions for the detailing experts. I apologize in advance if these have been addressed before--I'm still learning my way around the town hall and sometimes don't seem to find what I'm looking for right away.

    Anyway, here goes. I've used Meguiar's cleaner/wax and also NuFinish paste on my car (silverthorn) over the past ten months, with pretty good results, except for the white stains on the dark grey plastic trim, and rubber window seals, etc. These seem to appear no matter how carefully I apply and remove the wax.

    1. Can anyone recommend a product that will remove these stains without damaging, drying, or discoloring the exterior rubber/plastic/vinyl? (I don't want a shiny or oily finish.)

    2. Can you recommend a wax or polish that is simple to use (not too many steps, not too time consuming) that causes a minimum amount of staining? I am considering Finish First--any feedback on the amount of white staining to expect, if any?

    Thanks very much for your help.

    Theresa
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    mcj13mcj13 Member Posts: 85
    and good questions, I wish I knew the answer, especially to 1. All I've every tried is armoral and I don't particularly recommend it, Mary

    Anyone?
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    torektorek Member Posts: 92
    Sounds odd, but it works on Zaino (a fancy polymer product similar to NuFinish, only far better [heh]) if/when you get some Zaino on "pebbly" plastic surfaces.

    I have not actually had the problem myself and have not tried it, but I assume you want the smooth kind. :-)

    I do recommend Zaino. The prep steps (which you should do before applying any wax or polish) take hours, but applying Zaino itself goes pretty fast. You just wipe it on, let it dry for an hour or overnight, and then wipe it off. It even smells nice.

    Chris
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    hciaffahciaffa Member Posts: 454
    Welcome Theresa I do some body detailing and I have used the peanut butter technique to remove dried wax which is what you have. First purchase a medium or hard tooth brush. Have a pail of clean water on hand for rinsing and using something like fantastic or 409. Spray it on the brush and scrub the area then rinse and dry. If it dosen't come off that way then try the peanut butter. What you are doing is using the oils in the butter to moisten and clean out the dried wax. Put some on your finger and rub it in the area really rubbing it good until the peanut butter is tried up and wipe up excess, use the tooth brush to rub also . You may have to repeat again. Sounds silly but it works most of the time. I have used Zaino but I prefer Liquid Glass wax/polish. It has the same polymers as Zaino and not as expensive very easy on and off applicaton and can be purchased at local auto supply houses. Also when applied to plastic and rubbed off immediatly it usually leaves no residue.
    Trick on next time you wax Forester and don't want to go this route again. take sheets of paper and slide in between the cladding and metal then fold down. this way wax goes on paper instead of trim. To protect the vinyl use 2001 Vinyl Protectant. It soes shine a little but it protects agaisnt UV and doesen't collect dust.
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