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  • oregonboyoregonboy Posts: 1,653
    SO ANYWAY--dealer tells me in the showroom that there's no bargaining...I say okay, let me sleep on it...well today they call me and maybe there IS some bargaining...heh...heh...

    Funny how that works. He told you the truth, just not the WHOLE truth. There is no bargaining... with overly-eager buyers. :P

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    I have this philosophy with car shopping. I never buy quick but I NEVER waste a salesperson's time either. When I am ready to sign the check, that's when I start bargaining.

    This strategy allows me the highest card in negotiation---the ability to always get up and leave the table. If you simply can't leave the table because you are too invested in owning the thing, you can't really negotiate.

    Also I don't grind to the last dollar. When I hit "fair price" I'm done. I don't care if I leave a couple hundred on the table. Let the salesperson have it. (if the dealer will give it to him/her).

    NEXT STEP: Now we do the "dance"...coordinate selling Scion, getting used car to drive around while MINI is built (8-12 weeks!). This part drives me nuts, makes me want to say "Why can't you just leave well enough alone".

    But then if Bell, Columbus and Edison thought like this, we'd be living in a dark flat world without a telephone!
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,600
    It's not as though you've got a deadline, and the auto business isn't exactly booming these days. Sure, Minis are hot, but given the housing market and today's employment report, I imagine that even Mini dealers are wondering whether sales will hold up. Time is on your side, Shifty.

    The 164 that got away was no loss. Sure, it, or some other interesting orphan, could be fun as an extra vehicle, but not as the car you must depend on for your livelihood. No way!
  • Hehe which dealer? I still have contacts in the MINI community but I am not sure if they reach that far west.

    RE:Run flats and 17 inch tires: They just ruin the car. Over 200 lbs of unsprung rotational weight on a car that small is stupid. That is why when I ordered my car I bought the sport package in pieces so I could leave out the 17 inch wheels. I got a better ride and it saved me 400 bucks or so.

    My plan was to buy a set of light weight 17 inch forged wheels and summer tires from... ehh I forget the company name but they were great wheels and a decent price plus half the weight of the factory 17s and a few pounds less then the factory 16s. I would buy snow tires for my 16 inch wheels and run them all winter.

    I sold the car before that happened and the buyer wanted run flats on it so I just replaced the worn front tires.

    Putting lighter weight 16 or 17 inch wheels with go flat tires on a S with the 17 inch run flats completely changes the car. It is much faster since you can usually lose 80 or so lbs of unsprung rotational weight. The steering quickens up and the ride is much, much better. Going to lighter weight wheels in tires is worth a couple of tenths in the quarter on a Stock MCS.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,600
    I feel the same way as you do. I respect the sales person's time, and won't be pressured into accepting a deal I might regret the morning after, but I don't insist on the ultimate discount, either. It's possible to be one's own advocate, and fair at the same time.

    Since there's a good market for xAs (unlike an Alfa 164, VW Phaeton, or a Maserati 164, say), why not sell it just before the Mini arrives, or immediately after?
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,322
    Which options do you plan to get on the Mini? And what's the total list price before ttl? I assume xm or sirius is an option?

    (My aftermarket xm for my Accord only has so so sound, I think because it transmits via fm signals to the radio. It sounds better when I plug it in at home. That's why for my next car I'd like to have xm as part of the factory equipment.)
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • I'd have bought the 164! I'm after an LS 5-speed and I figure if I got yours at least I'd not be in for any MAJOR surprises! :)

    Oh.. and Mr Fezo Sir.. the 527i is a 1988 528e (aka "Super Eta") with a 325i head, intake and cam and custom software.

    185ish HP, 28mpg or the power of my 535i and the economy of a 528e.. building it for 5erFest 08 out in Cali.. too long of a drive to take the M5 on and the Turbo 535i won't be done in time.. of that I am sure.. still gotta do engine, trans, Euro bumpers, bodywork, dash, clutch, standalone engine management, etc...

    I am certifiable! :)
  • Like I said you need help. How long will it take your shop to shove a V8 M3 engine into the 1 series when it comes out??? :shades:
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,600
    One of my cars is a 325 with the stock 2.7 Eta and manual transmission. I'm happy with it, and the fact that it's not a revver and only has 121 hp doesn't bother me, as it apparently does some people. The good torque characteristics of this engine means that you just drive it differently than the 168 hp 2.5i. Mine has ample accleration and can cruise comfortably at 80 mph, without apparent strain, so the performance exceeds what one would expect from the horsepower to weight ratio.

    How does the "Super Eta" differ from mine, and was it a U.S. market engine?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    The xA market is really good. I was looking at the window sicker for my car, which was $13,334 in late 2005 and I have a buyer at $11,500 so $1,800 loss in two years and 30,000 miles is pretty good I think. 'Course there's sales tax lost, but I write the car off as a business expense, so I think I done good on this car all in all. I think I could even get more for the car but it's a friend, so fair's fair on the price.

    "Good for buyer, good for seller"

    Better than whoever bought a Jaguar in 2005 at any rate. :P

    MINI Equipment?

    So far for options it's premium package (sunroof, auto AC, 6-speed Getrag trans, multi-function sport wheel), sport seats, front fog lights, rear fog light, arm rest, map light.

    That's it so far. If I can bargain down the price I'll throw in Sirius radio--they want $950 for it!!!!! Seems to me for $950 I can have a radio with a carrera marble front and ruby-encrusted dial faces--GEEZ!

    No stability control for this kid.
  • You know I never found the DSC all that intrusive on my MINI and it did help in the snow. You don't have snow out there so I guess that doesn't matter.

    950 bucks for Sirius???? I hope that includes a life time subscription. Sirius on our Land Rover is a 400 dollar option and then Sirius offers a lifetime subscription that is transferable from receiver to receiver for 499 or so.

    If life time Sirius is included for that 950 then that is an ok deal.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    I love satellite radio but I understand the portable units don't work as well.
  • Yeah some of them aren't so great. The cool thing about the lifetime subscription is when you sell the car you just call Sirius tell them you are trading in the car and give them the ESN of your new Sirius receiver. They deactivate your old unit and activate your new unit the same day.

    Blitzafe makes after market integration units for XM and probably Sirius too that work with most BMWs.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    I've been subscribing to yahoo alerts on MINI reviews, so that I get an e-mail whenever a new review on a 2007 is published by a new buyer.

    I tell you, people are really whining about run-flats. This has got to be a big liability for BMW. One poor slob had the car a couple weeks, and picked up a nail, and had to shell out $448 for an RFT on his Cooper S. Not a happy camper.
  • Yikes 448 bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!! :surprise: :mad: :cry:

    Were they 17 inch tires?

    I paid 325 dollars for two 16 inch run flats plus mount and balance 16 months ago when I sold my MINI. Bought them from tire rack and had one of the little independent shops down the street from my dealership install them. I would have just had it done at my shop but they weren't comfortable working with the runflats.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    So what's the deal on the BMW "free" service? What's the fine print (I'm getting old, I can't read it anymore) At what point should I be careful about bending down in the showroom?
  • They come with V8s.. but a customer wants a V10 but it's been done.

    Toying with the idea of a supercharger tho... :shades:
  • Free servicing is 12k mile oil changes, never chaging trans or diff fluid, 2-3 years on brake fluid...etc.

    Its crap.
  • Someone already has done a V8 in a 135i???

    I had seen V8s and V10s in various 3 series but I never saw anything like that in a 1 series.
  • Oh crap I thought you meant new M3.. my bad.

    Nah not yet that I know of.. I'll wait till I see the first ones arrive.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    I might pitch the dealer to throw in the ruby-encrusted $950 satellite radio and I'll order the car; otherwise I might sit tight for another round. I realize the salesman has got to eat and I'm fine with that, but the MINI dealers have been hogs at the trough for a year now...time to trim down and put on their fighting weight!

    I've kinda given up trying to score a 911 at a decent price....the problem is that these owners want the book value but have not taken proper care of the cars. So every 911 I look at needs a quick $5K at least. And it's hard to offer $10K to a guy looking for $16K on a car that, to the casual observer, looks fine. I can't stand to drive a car that has major needs.
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,369
    Mr. Brentwood, you are a sick man. I mean this is the absolute best sense of the word.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,699
    Did you buy a car yet?

    Are you only a one car guy right now, or do you still have the 928?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Oh I'm still screwing around. I need a therapist. I've been leaning very heavily toward ordering the new MINI (2007), but that's $ then I was thinking, what about a used 'Vette? If I could get a C5 w/ 6-speed, it should be okay on gas. I know it's a bit cheesy in the interior, and will probably break down, but gee, you can get parts for it at KRAGEN for gawd's sake!

    I did drive some 80s era 911s for sale, but you know, cars have come a long way in 30 years, especially Porsches which now feature actual ventilation, working AC, not leaking targas, and buttery smooth shifting, unlike the 80s cars.

    I'll get something soon. I HAVE to. I sold the Scion xA to a friend who was desperate for a car (just about out of warranty on mileage anyway). I did GREAT on that xA....34,000 miles, trouble free, in just two years, and sold it for $2,000 less than I paid for it (minus sales tax of course). That ain't bad. Consider the poor Jaguar owner who bought in 2006 and sold yesterday. Can you say whiplash?
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,600
    "I sold the Scion xA..."

    Do you have an extra set of wheels to tide you over, or are you taking public transportation, as needed?

    I like the C5.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Yeah I have another car...a 1995 Toyota Corolla beater. Can't kill it.

    C5 is pretty nice. Kind of a big butt but you can't beat the "bang for the buck" and a good driver can get around 28 mpg on the highway.

    I don't really care for the "image" of a Corvette but that's also what makes it get outside your own version of yourself.

    Natch it would have to be a 6-speed.

    Hmmm, I wonder if they'll nail me on insurance?
  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,699
    I have a friend with a 1998 C5 with a 6-speed. We occasionally trade cars for the day. Much to my surprise, I have to say that I love that car. If I didn't have access to his, I'd have to buy my own.

    High teens $ gets you a late 80s 911 or a late 90s C5. The C5 has a great stereo, a/c, etc in addition to its monstrous V8 with good gas mileage. I would guess it is no less reliable than my 1998 3-series. And like you said, parts are cheap.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    I have to face the facts...I cannot really afford the high standards of maintenance and repair I'm used to giving a car, if I buy a late 80s 911. I know I have high standards, because whenever I test drive a late 80s 911, it always needs something, and usually something BIG lurking in there somewhere. "Oh, it runs great! It has this little oil leak, but I'm sure it's just a gasket"

    Yeah, or cam covers or a rear main seal. KA-CHING!

    "Oh, it shifts great. The clutch pedal is a bit stiff though. Must need adjustment".

    Yeah, or a new clutch, as this is the first warning sign. KA-CHING!

    Geez, the local GAS STATION could fix a C5. (well some things anyway--he'd run screaming from an old 911).
  • kyfdxkyfdx Everywhere, USAPosts: 122,998
    VW GTI?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Too unreliable. I have no faith whatsoever in a VW. If you believe JD Power and Consumer Reports, etc etc., they are among the worst cars in the world today.
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