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Amen, bro. Could not say it better. Dig VCM concept (for your stated reason);kinda looks like us 6M folks need not apply)
best,ez,,,,
I trust you John, my super hi-tech buddy. I am suspecting there are some folks who work for Toyota or other competitors or who own 7th generation Honda who want to make their points in these rooms.
I have had many hondas in my lifetime and several accords. Dont get me wrong, the new V6 is a great car and is a step up from the last model with the exception of the VCM operation. I think the driver should have the choice. Personally weather I get 26 mpg or 29mpg I am indifferent. 3 miles per gallon wont phase me or most drivers that pay $30,000+ for a car. Accord V6 buyers aren't buying this car because it allows for more environmental participation. They are buying it because its a fast, slick Honda Accord, reliable, great resale and will run forever.
Its about choice and with this engine you dont have one other than not driving it which would be ludicrous. The slight vibration at highway speeds, road noise and VCM mode transfer is simply annoying to many new Accord owners and outweighs the benefit of the end result.
So we must agree to disagree which is the benefit of forums like these.
Its all good
There are very few "accord haters" in this forum. I cant find one that is peddling another brand more than talking to comparisons in good spirited debate. Most are simply those trying to find like experiences, define a problem they are having and/or simply discuss issues and concerns towards resolution.....your statement is without merit.
I suggest you bring your car back to the dealer. My brand new '05 Accord hybrid leaked a tiny oil on the garage after 15K miles. I brought it back 2 times and they fixed it by replacing some parts.
One thing for sure, with my '05 I got a super great feeling when my '05 handles sharp and narrow curves and it hust "glues" on the road while traveling at high speed. In some cheap cars or vans, when I turned the whole "stupid big box" in my rear leaning toward the curves with some stupid noises in rear that made me really fussed.
I asked the salesman where the VCM light was and he couldn't tell me!!
He had to call the dealership on his cell for help. They told him it was the "ECO" that came on and off. This told me the guy was probably pitching 4 cylinder Accords most of the time.
When I drove it, the "ECO" was off quite a bit, meaning I was using all 6 cylinders most of the time. When it came on, I hardly noticed it. Not at all distracting.
The vehicle had only 33 miles on it. When I looked at the trip computer which unfortunately was hidden by the steering wheel, I saw only "19 mpg." YIKES!! :surprise:
Been driving in town,
or
be driving a vehicle that has idled a good bit. 33 miles isn't much driving for the car's history!
The AC(Tampa) was wonderful and the V6 had strong acceleration with good low-end torque. Plenty of power on the interstate. Was going 85 mph and was shocked when I looked at my speed.
I did feel the steering was a bit light and also the gearshift lever was not the easiest to move. I could have used a bit more legroom (6'2") but I have this problem with most vehicles.
Very happy that the VCM was totally unnoticeable.
You did not get ECO light because you have a lead right foot.
My mileage in the new Accord would probably be on the low-end. Still it's good to know the new EX V6 has PLENTY of power when needed.
Yep. Especially the cars that are being used for test drives. Not only do they idle a lot, they also see a lot of short distance driving and "experimentation".
Once, I got a TL for loaner while my TL was in service. The car had about 73 miles, and the trip computer was showing 15.4 mpg. About 156 miles later in mixed driving (total 229 miles on the odometer), the trip computer was back at 21 mpg. I didn't get to calculate the mileage since I was not expected to return the car with full tank, but only for the miles that I drove (which I estimated to be about 6 gallons, and turned out to be fairly accurate).
Therefore, I do not hesitate to buy a new Honda even if the price may be a little bit high compared to its competitors. I do not need to test drive it. All I did last time was checking out the car to make sure all accessories and features worked OK before I left the dealership. Because I had learned by heart all of its technical specifications. My Accord '02 V6 EX @ 61K miles now looks and runs like NEW. My kids have abused their Honda which I bought brand-new for them. But the car I drive has been "pampered" like a super baby. My sister-in-law told me I should "sleep" with my car because I get so crazy about them.
Um, sorry, they don't. Nissan's Altima 4-cyl gets better FE than the Accord 4-cyl, and the Camry matches the Accord for fuel economy in V6s. The Corolla has better mileage than the Civic, the Yaris better than the Fit, the RAV4 4-cyl better than the CR-V, the Tacoma 4WD better than the Ridgeline (which is 4WD only), the Highlander better than the Pilot, the Prius better than the Civic Hybrid and the Sienna better than the Odyssey.
Honda, when matched vehicle for vehicle with competitors, does not have the best fuel economy in any vehicle.
I have too, but since that is unverifiable, its hard to compare like that. It's also unfair to say its competitors wouldnt do the same.
No, they use coporate CAFE scores, which amounts to an average of all their vehicles fuel economy averaged together (check the fine print in those commercials). Honda just doesn't have vehicles like a Land Cruiser, a Tundra, and a Sequoia with 5.7L V8s averaging in to pull things WAY down like Toyota does.
If they did it by comparing like vehicles, as I pointed out earlier, Honda would lose every battle.
EPA ratings... sure. But my driving experience suggests otherwise. I have logged over 2200 miles in 2007+ Altima 2.5 w/CVT. Never managed to exceed 25 mpg under the same driving conditions that even my 1998 does today (which is rated much lower under the new standards, old was 23/30).
Don't have much Camry V6 experience though, but the same V6 in RAV4 failed to meet current EPA estimate on one occasion I have experienced.
May I ask where the Altima came from, robertsmx?
So it seems to me Subaru would be on top, because they don't sell many large SUVs, do they? Are their cars gas guzzling 4 cylinders?