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Sounds like a very nice car indeed.
Once you have driven it on the highway at least a couple of times, could you post the MPG you are seeing at, say, 65 - 75 / 80 mph?
Thanks,
- Ray
Wondering how the 6-speed trans helps in this situation compared to the Lincoln LS8 . . .
The deep O/D 6th must really help!
Thanks,
- Ray
Who cannot currently match those numbers . . .
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
Well, it looks like the magazines have finally decided to actually test the cars instead of just relying upon who advertizes the most in their publications! The "S" stands for "Superior." I've been saying this all along...
Here's the cover of one of the magazines that says how the S-type is the top car in its class:
http://a298.g.akamai.net/7/298/5382/082903015613/www.eletra.com/a- utospies/word_images/9964712_image001.jpg
Is this acceptable for a $50,000 car? Should I be able to get the dealer to fix this under warranty? The car only has 180 miles on it!
Thanks for your help.
Jean-Pierre Greengrass
Paris - France
greengrass@wanadoo.fr
So I've been looking at and test driving 2000 4.0 S types. Why do some of the cars have small strips of chrome below the head lights and some are color keyed to match the paint? I'm trying to figure out how to easily spot the sport package. I know about the seven spoke wheels but some non sport pack cars have the wheels. Is there an easy way to spot the sport pack other than the wheels? These cars drive very well and the V8 has nice power. Also, how do I determine the optional stereo (without listening to it)? I will be buying one but I'm learning about the car right now.
Thanks
2003 S-Type 4.2L
with xenon head lights
39 month lease
10k miles per year
$650 a month with no money down
This sounds like a decent deal but do you think I can get something better?
Are 2001's recommended used cars?
Should this be better than just buying or leasing a new 2004 X-type 3.0 for 3 years and having a brand new car instead with lower maintenance costs?
Happy motoring...
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
Just leased the 2004 S type. Had it for 2 weeks & it's been in the dealer service for past 1 week. This is not a good trend given a 3 year lease deal.
The "DSC Not Available" light comes on the dash after driving it for a few moments. Service dept has been replacing parts for a week w/ no fix in sight yet.
Anyone come across this before? Suggestions? Thx
Here is my post on Jagtalk (long):
"This is a message that I had hoped I would not have to write to all of you, but
JNA's lack of response to me and my company leaves me no choice.
HOW IT STARTED
On Oct. 15, 2003, I encountered a computer fault on my 2003 Jaguar S-type 4.2
-approx. 13,000 miles. The fault was just a light on the console re: DSC and a
message advising “DSC Not Available”. After stopping and restarting the car,
the message disappeared and the computer apparently reset itself. I called my
Service Manager the next day to ask what to do and he made an appointment for
the next Monday, October 20. Later that Monday, he called me to advise that the
computer did register a fault in the “yaw control” module and that they would
replace this module even though it was working OK at that time. The module had
to be ordered, so I did not get my car back until Thursday, October 23. An
X-type loaner was provided in the meantime.
THE FIRE
I picked the car up from the Service Department at approximately 1:45 PM on
Thursday, October 23, and began to drive back to my office some 7 miles away.
About 8 – 9 bocks from the Service Dept., while stopped at a light, I noticed a
very slight smell of electrical wiring overheating/burning or perhaps hot
brakes. It did not appear to be my car (no dash lights and no smoke), so I
continued driving as the light changed to green. One block further, the brakes
on my car TOTALLY LOCKED DOWN and I found myself skidding down the road from
30-35 MPH - foot still on the gas pedal - NO ABS at all. I managed to
steer/slide the car into the center turn lane of the street and looked at the
console. The DSC light and the Parking Brake light were then on. I noticed a
little smoke coming from the front wheel wells and thought that I had been
unknowingly driving the car with the Parking Brake on -a failure of the
Electronic Parking Brake. I then noticed that the brakes had disengaged so I
slowly drove the car into a vacant parking lot at the side of the road. A
little smoke was still coming from the wheel wells and I thought perhaps I
could return to the Service Department and that some “air cooling” of the brakes
would be good. As I drove onto the street, the brakes suddenly locked again and
I was able to just steer/slide the car into the center turn lane once again, but
no further. A large quantity of smoke was then coming from the wheel wells and
flames were shooting 12-15" high from under the hood on the right front side.
The interior of the car began to fill with smoke, so I turned off the ignition
and made a quick exit with my cell phone.
I positioned myself on the sidewalk at the side of the road and called 911 to
summon a fire truck. Then I called my Service Manager to report the incident
and to seek help. Even in his disbelief, the Service Manager did dispatch a tow
truck and it arrived in about 40 minutes, some 10 minutes after the fire truck
had departed. I just rode back to the service department with the tow truck.
After explaining what had happened, the Service Manager provided me once again
with a loaner car and I returned to my office, sure that the dealer and JNA
would take care of the problem.
THE TRAUMA
Soon after the fire, I noticed a strong burning of my eyes. I flushed them that
night with eye-wash and got some relief. The next morning, a very slight
peeling of skin from the inside of my lips occurred. I am a Registered
Professional Engineer and have had previous experience with burning PVC – it
emits hydrochloric acid or chlorine gas that forms hydrochloric acid when mixed
with water – as in eyes and mouth. I apparently have no lasting trauma from
this, luckily.
I will not drive this car again under any circumstances and I do not believe any
of you would either. How could one trust a repair so extensive. What if this
incident had happened while I was driving on the freeway at 70 MPH? I was
extremely lucky that I did not get rear-ended as it was. What if this happened
while I just entered my garage – brakes lock up and car catches on fire? What if
the door and window locks fail and I cannot exit the car? The possibilities go
on. How many people could have been killed by this car?
THE DAMAGE
The damage to my S-type is extensive, including a very pungent odor that has
seeped into the entire interior. The entire engine compartment, hood, and
fenders seem to be destroyed and the heat from the fire has likely damaged most
of the structural parts of the front end, annealing some of the structural
metal. In five weeks, I have had no contact from JNA, only deep condolences
from my dealer who seems to have gone to bat for me with JNA but to no avail.
My leasing company and my company have asked JNA to correct the situation but
they will not even write a letter on the subject. Through the service
department, they just insisted that this is an "insurance" matter and we were
forced to send our own adjuster to the dealer to examine the car. The adjuster
is recommending it be declared a total loss and could only say that one of 3 or
4 components could have caused such a sudden and intense fire - these being: 1)
alternator ran away, 2) fuse block shorted out, 3)RF ABS solenoid
failed/shorted, or 4) wiring harness shorted. All were so completely destroyed
that it is perhaps impossible to determine exactly what caused it. In any
event, the adjuster confirmed that the fire was caused by some part failure in a
car that is under full warranty. This was clear to all that viewed the damaged
car, including the JNA regional manager and a tech who did examine the car about
5-7 days after the incident. Their full report is unknown except they
apparently relieved the service department of wrong doing in the repair of the
yaw control module.
JNA RESPONSE (OR LACK THEREOF)
Now the BAD news:
This car is a company Executive Lease vehicle. The leasing company is Wheels,
Inc., and I solicited their help to solve the problem. On Monday, October 27, I
began a long international business trip and only returned on Thursday, November
13. I returned the loaner car to the dealer so that it would not sit at the
airport for 17 days. Wheels and my company fleet manager advised that the
situation would be solved by the time I returned from my trip, however, upon my
return I found that JNA has denied any claim and will not provide us with a
replacement car OR EVEN A LOANER CAR - they say that the insurance co. should
provide a rental car. JNA claims this is an “insurance’ issue for me and
Wheels, Inc. and my company. How ridiculous can JNA be? The President of JNA
apparently asked his secretary to call my Service Manager to get details a few
days after the incident, yet no one from JNA has ca
not anymore though. Thanks to the postings here and a few other boards that have guided me in past purchases I will not be buying the car. I love the look but with a number of people having tranny problems that is one thing I cannot over look.
from some people who owns them and what I need to look for.
X and S both are lemons. So why not grieve a little less by choosing X to satisfy the madness. Also, XJ is a road boat and only good for Geezers, who incidently are its buyers.
Overall, Jag is good for insecure people who link numbers on road with exclusivity.
Jaguar was great 30 years ago but now they need top reliability and some excitement which they are finding impossible to achieve.
Is that cindy person for real? The new XJ is phenomenal, probably the best Jaguar EVER.
1) Certified 2002 with 18000 miles (3.0 and loaded). I would probable outright buy this car.
2) Lease a 2004 3.0 now or wait a few months.
3) Wait for the 2005 and lease. I've only seen pictures but hope to see one soon at an auto show.
I read most of the boards over the last 2 months and see all the problems with 2000s. The 2002 appears to be about the same car but I'm assuming a lot of fixes. Is this correct? I'm not an aggressive drive and I'm not sure a more ridged body and some upgrades in suspension is worth 10,000 but I do like the interior style of the 2004 and the 6 speed automatic was very nice.
- Wouldn't want 2002 as the interior has not been upgraded yet (Only from 2003 on)
- 2004 lease - This is an OK option but I personally want to see what the kind of upgrades they are offering for 2005.
I guess I will lease and I will wait for a 2005. Firstly, the 2005 will have a new exterior (rear) and potentially more interior options as well. If at that time you decided that you still like the 2004 better, you can get a great deal for the 2004 as it would have been a 1-year old model by then.
Thanks
Dan
Now it's time to work on price. I'm beginning to wonder if all jag salesmen are deaf or just don't think a consumer need to know the facts. I have to ask repeated for cap cost, money factor and residual and they look at me like I'm dumb but can't provide this with out being asked 2 or 3 times. I swear I will walk out on the next one that does it to me. It’s insulting.
These numbers are off the top of my head but are only off a few dollars if any. The money factor is the equilivent of about 3% and saved several thousand dollars on that.
Is this a case of an oversensitive sensor or could it malfunction and actually not warn us when the coolant is actually low?