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If you slammed your vehicle into a concrete barrier at a 45 degree angle, your air bag will NOT deploy. Air bags are made to deploy only on a FRONTAL collision.
1)TCS is always in "ready to engage" mode by default when you start the car but it is not actually "engaged" until needed.
2) The TCS light serves two purposes. It is a "TCS Off" indicator (when you press the TCS button) and a "TCS engaged" indicator when the button is not pressed.
or another way to look at it:
Button pushed, light on = TCS off
Button not pushed, light off - TCS ready to engage (default at start)
Button not pushed, light on - TCS engaged
Find a place to spin your wheels while the light is off and it will come on when the wheels start to spin and TCS is "engaged".
then again, if I would have bought the XG350, I would have traction control worth talking about.
I wish the comparo came out before I bought my Altima 3.5 SE, I would have definitely checked the Hyundai out.
the top of the line XG in Korea (roughly 40-50 grand) comes with sport suspension that at the touch of a button firms the ride or softens the ride.... something like what you see in "other" makes..
the reason they probably excluded it from our cars is b/c of the complexity and cost involved in having that option in our cars.
My XG300 was declared a total after a meeting with a concrete barrier at about 50MPH. I walked away from the accident so I bought another one although hard to find I got a great deal. XG300L with package 10 fully loaded for $22,551 with the 1500 rebate $3900 off msrp.
Car handles much better with 16" wheels and they stiffened up the ride a little bit from build date of 1/01 to 9/01 and a few other minor changes also.
There is unfortunately even more unsafe about my particular car, and perhaps others like it. In fact there is a safety defect that actually brought about my accident. Those of you who read my earlier posts may recall that I reported that the car tended to really slide. I did not report a brake failure because when I pressed down on the brake I had what appeared to be plenty of pedal. When I first applied the brake I did not expect loose control at all. I thought that I would even be able to stop before striking the dog in the road. However, I continued to slide well over 100 feet. I was doing about 50 when I engaged the brake. Frankly, I have played the entire wreck over and over in my head trying to figure out just how it could have happened.
I now have my car back after all of the repairs have been made to the sheet metal. The body shop did a great job and the car looks new again. No one has touched the brakes since the accident. Let me digress momentarily by telling you that I noticed something odd about the brakes several months ago. If you are at a stop light and you are holding down the brake pedal you can continue to apply more pressure and force the brake pedal all the way to the floor. At the time I had not noticed any problem with braking so I thought nothing of it. I should point out that this was difficult to notice unless you deliberately forced the pedal down. None of the mechanics at the dealer ever noticed it when they serviced the car. Neither did the body shop. Last week I took the car to the local dealer who acknowledged that there was a problem. However, the brakes have a problem that is even more disconcerting, a problem that brought about my wreck, a problem that is only obvious if you are forced to a panic stop on a rain slick road. Put simply, the anti-lock brakes fail miserably. Last week, oddly enough after meeting with the local Hyundai service manager about all of my problems (including at least 4 times that the wrong weather stripping was ordered and two other times when the parts were torn up when they tried to install them), I drove back to work in the rain. As I was pulling through the parking lot going perhaps 10 - 15 miles per hour, the speed the average person would use when approaching an empty parking spot, a truck started to pull out into my path. Instinctively, I hit the brakes hard. To my amazement I immediately went into a skid with apparently all four wheels locked up. I slid for several more feet. I have been driving for 31 years. I have driven cars, trucks, motorcycles, and ATVs of all makes and descriptions but I have never experienced any vehicle that was so prone to skid during a panic stop. Literally, at less than 10 miles per hour I could make the car slide a few feet. I can only assume that it is a combination of a heavy car, small 15 inch tires, and a flawed brake system.
Unfortunately, for me it looks like it is time for a lawyer. I love the way the car drives but will never trust it again. Thus far the airbags failed (regardless of what Hyundai says), as well as the brakes. Apparently the traction control system failed too as it was replaced after the wreck under warranty. You add to that the poor performance of the dealer and I have had enough. If Tennessee's lemon laws will allow for it I am going to give this car back to Hyundai and seek a refund. Regardless, I am going to probably buy one of those bland but safe and dependable Hondas or Toyotas.
I wish those of you who are happy with your Hyundai products continued success. I hope that I got the only lemon. However, I strongly urge everyone with an XG to test the brakes for two problems. Make sure that your brake pedal remains firm when you continue to apply pressure and everyone please on the next rainy day find an obscure parking lot where you cannot hit anything and simulate a panic stop. The car is absolutely unsafe if the anti lock brakes fail. It is similar to being on ice.
By the way, if someone will tell me how I will gladly post the pictures of the wrecked XG.
Lastly, though Hyundai did not mention it in their letter, the service foreman at the local dealer insists that the airbags did not deploy because I was not belted in (though he admits that this is poor design). This seems illogical to me as, using their logic, if I chose not to buckle up, my wife sitting beside me could loose her life if the airbag should not deploy even though she did buckle up. Also, if this is true, shouldn't there be a major warning telling everyone that none of the airbags will deploy if the driver is not belted in? It seems to me to be really useful information.
I was at the SF Auto show today and I saw the XG300L for the first time. Obviously I don't know how it drives, but it looks very nice in and out.... The car I saw was Obsidian black with black interior and the interior was the sharpest of them all. This car is definitely worth more than the average Camry and Accord. At first I thought it was a joke that Hyundai thought the XG would be a competition to ES300 and Acura TL, but after seeing the car myself, I do believe that Hyundai matches up very well with those cars -- especially with the new XG350 coming out with more power.
Generally, I was totally satisfied with ride comfort and all else until some problems including the paint problem started showing. One or two days after I bought it, squeaking noise started bothering me. And some sort of scratches (cracks) inside of a headlight lens and misaligned glove box were found. On top of these problems, several spots of paint along the body-bumper line were found peeling off. I took the car two times to the dealer to fix the problems except the paint problem which needed two more trips to two different body shops because they failed to match the color. The color of the bumper still does not match that of the body. I am waiting for Hyundai to respond to this issue. By the way, the squeaking noise was due to bad bushing on the rear shock.
Has anyone experienced this sort of problem? I wonder how this car passed the final quality check with these problems, specially the paint problem. Now it has gotten a little over 5k on its odometer and started annoying me with some strange noise in idle state. I wonder if I should say whenever someone else asks me how I like the XG300, "You know what Hyundai stands for. It sure is Hyundai. The XG300 is no exception. What else can you expect?"
In a word, my experience is a mixed bag. All the problems that I have had and still have along with all other negative issues posted on this thread are just about to set my mind against Hyundai, which otherwise would be very favorable.
love my car.
Going back to the paint problem, I doubt that any body shop can match the color exactly because two body shops already failed. What would be the best thing that I can do? What would you people do if you are in my boat? What I don't understand is the first body shop did the whole bumpers, front and back, but the second one only did the rear one. It is evident that both front and back colors do not match. I even wondered if factory-fresh one might be like that. One of the local dealer service advisors even told me that it might be possible because the bumper is made of plastic.
Again, it would be good enough to compete with most of the Japanese near-luxury cars but for those problems.
minor problem,floor mats plastic hooks broke.Dealer replaced with metal retrofit and are now fine. My brand new '96 LE Camry,
had problem first week,with lighting system.Stepping on brakes at nite would
put all lites out,including headlites.Two trips to dealer to correct.Much more serious than mat
hooks.Re-painted bumpers never match
factory paint.
from observation... the shops that fix/repaint these cars are very very good at paint matching.
as for paint matching .... maybe they left out some important stuff like the flex agent? etc.. just an idea.
the other end is the clear coat mixed with pearl... as my car is White Pearl.
just FYI...
Of course, this has nothing to do with Hyundai. This is an excellent car, and I really strongly recommend it. It's certainly not their fault that I'm 6'5".
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
Base Price (Excludes options) $20,760 $21,975 $24,000
2001 Toyota Camry 4 Dr XLE V6 Sedan
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
Base Price (Excludes options) $17,032 $18,239 $20,252
2001 Honda Accord 4 Dr LX V6 Sedan
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
Base Price (Excludes options) $15,317 $16,371 $18,127
2001 Hyundai XG300 4 Dr L Sedan
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
Base Price (Excludes options) $14,899 $16,126 $18,170
i don't think this is very accurate
A couple of observations...
For the folks with the paint-match problem, I'm afraid it's a chronic condition on virtually every Asian car with metallic paint and a soft bumper cover. Look at an Accord, Camry, etc that's been on the road a few months and you'll see some subtle (and not so subtle) variances between the bumper cover and adjacent fender. Certain lighting can make the difference more or less apparent. It's probably noticible to you more so since you've had the bumper reshot a couple of times. My advice: live with it.
Regarding resale value, there's no escaping Hyundai's abysmal legacy. In fact, if these cars retained their value at a level comparable to the top Japanese brands, they'd be priced accordingly. Someday they may well achieve that status, and the price will follow. The issue now is, are you willing to gamble on this unproven machine, from a less than sterling second-tier builder, in order to save several thousand dollars?
I drove the car and I'd say "yes". However, I also examined two used XGs on the lot and found they didn't seem to wear especially well. The gentleman who posted the vehicle values wonders if they're accurate. Reading across, remember "trade-in" is what dealers are reporting buying the car for at auction, also known as "wholesale". "Retail" presumes a mark-up for dealer overhead and profit. Sadly, those figures are accurate. Buying this car, especially if you don't come in with enough cash equity, is a recipe for disaster when want to unload it.
The answer is to lease the car. Odds are, Hyundai's captive finance company will be happy to grossly overstate the resale value (residual) rather than admit the car is a loser. That drops the monthly payment. Sign on for a three year commitment. You can put up with just about anything for three years.
At lease end, you have the option of turning the car in, or buying it for the actual market value, which will likely be pretty cheap.
could you elaborate ? i'd like to hear what parts of the car didn't wear too well?
and if the used cars were "dealer demo" models.
Again, I still think the XG is the winner of all in the price range. It still can be compared with some of the near-luxury models with some shortcomings but the price difference is big enough to cover the shortcomings.
One question. Do you people maintain your car according to the manual, say every 7500 miles? One of the service rep at a local dealer once told me to change engine oil every 3k or 4k miles even if the manual says every 7500 miles. How often do you change engine oil?
and scatched your bumper.Which would explain the
marks inside your headlight.It happens all the time when cars come in and are parked by car jockies.
The scratches that I mentioned on the headlight lens was inside of the lens which must have been material flaw from the lens manufacturer. I remember reading about the same scratches problem on this post.
are you sure your dealer is telling you the truth?
just wondering
Anyway, I've been faithfully changing my oil every 2,500 mi w/ my prev vehicles even though I didn't do any towing or much city driving based on the info I rcvd from my friends & mechanics.
However, w/ the purchase of Sonata last December I realized that I would be in the shop every 6 wks if I maintained this 2,500 mi ritual (I'm on pace to put 22,000 mi in the first year).
Since I didn't spend a large fortune on Hyundai, I decided to keep a 5,000 mi schedule & see what happens. I also decided to keep it strictly on regular 87 octane diet as well.
I used to put Super once a wk as well.
I would like to hear more facts (if avaialble) or experience/opinion this matter. Thx.
There's also no reason to use anything other than 87 octane in a car not requiring a higher octane fuel.
By the way, if anyone needs the drivers side weather-stripping replaced(the part on the front of the window surrounding the triangular piece of plastic), apparently the number in the parts book is incorrect as they have ordered the wrong part something like five times. Of course, the two times that they did replace the part they installed it incorrectly and it tore when I lowered the window. They have now installed it a third time yet I have had no chance to drive it.
Believe it or not, in the three weeks since I stopped driving the car it has actually slightly decreased in value. What a mess.
Considering purchase in February, any comments would be helpful. Thanks
nothing is is different between the two.
16" wheels are new
that's about it
Right now my car sits in the shop waiting for guidance from Hyundai. I have been able to drive it only about one week since October 11th. You would have thought I, or the dealer, would have heard something today given that I called them last Friday. To tell you the truth they could let me have the car back right now without fixing the problem and I probably would not know there was still a problem until I drove the car again in the rain. Any sudden, moderate amount of pressure on the brakes results in a four wheel skid even at slow speeds.