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In the VERY top credit tier you might get a rate as low as 3.8%. Could you invest the money and get a 5% return If so you would be better off getting a loan and taking the 40k and inventing it
Lets say Right now you can get a 5 year CD at 4.22% If you invest 40,000 at 4.22% for 5 years you would get $9395.89. (based on a calculator from CapitalOne’s Web site)
Your Loan for 5 Years would cost you $3983.37. (based on an interest calculator I found)
These are of course just numbers to play with .
I don’t see how my numbers would not work It sounds like a gain of $5,412.52 over a 5 year period. Again take the principal out of the equation Your paying the principal no matter when either 40,000 on day 1 or 40,000 by then end of year 5.
But lets say you have a reality check and you cannot afford the $733 monthly payment for your Limited XLE. Lets say you can afford ½ that’s about 360 a month. So you put 20,000 down get a 20,000 loan and invest 20,000 in a 5 year CD.
The loan will cost you 1,991.69 in interest, the CD will earn you 4590.89 that’s a gain of $2599.2
Again this may only work if you have excellent credit... But if you have 40,000 in the bank to plug down on a car surely your credit is in good shape
"bondguy1 you said my example wouldn’t work... I’m saying in 5 years you would have more money if you invested then you would have paid for the Interest on a loan. Interest rates are so low right now...
"I don’t see how my numbers would not work… It sounds like a gain of $5,412.52 over a 5 year period. Again take the principal out of the equation..."
With all due respect, bondguy1 is correct. Your analysis is flawed, and precisely because you insist on ignoring the principal part of the required monthly payment of the loan.
"But lets say you have a reality check and you cannot afford the $733 monthly payment... Lets say you can afford ½....So you put 20,000 down get a 20,000 loan and invest 20,000 in a 5 year CD.
"The loan will cost you 1,991.69 in interest, the CD will earn you 4590.89 that’s a gain of $2599.2"
No.
The correct way to analyze this example is to look at the difference between the interest rates on the CD and the loan. Using a 4.22% APR (from your earlier email #3498) on the CD, and assuming a 3.8% APR on a $20K auto loan, the CD will generate, per year, all of $84 more interest than you pay on the auto loan, for a savings of $420 over the 5 yr. life of the loan.
However, if you take into effect taxes on the CD interest, the CD may very well leave you with a loss. To illustrate, suppose you are in a 30% state and federal income tax bracket. The effective interest rate you earn on the CD is then (1.-0.3) x 4.22% = 2.954%. Thus, the effective interest rate on the CD is now 0.846% less than the interest rate on your auto loan. The CD now generates $169.20 less interest than you pay on the loan per year, for an accumulated loss of $846 over 5 yrs.
what changes for 05???
i looked at the 05 chrysler t and c--nice pricing packages, i can get nav, ltd and not get a moonroof, and you still get a 6 disc changer. doors close slow, tote and go very cool, seats aren't very comfortable
i wish sienna pricing of options and models was more flexible. e.g. to get hid i have to go ltd
has anyone done a comparison of the hid lights and the standard lights in terms of effectiveness?
thanks probably will order so i don't get the running boards--both my wife an i are tall and they hit our shins
Price of the car: $27,500
Splash guards: $117
Wheel locks: $48
Cross Bars: $163
Fog lights: $445
In dash DVD with 2 headrest 7 inch screens & tv tuner: $2,200
Total: $30,473 + TTL + 50 doc fee.
3.2% financing.
Sienna XLE AWD
Pkg #16 (GK)
Plus Carpeted floor mats
for $32900 plus tax & title.
What's your thought on this? It seems decent, but not outstanding. It's a vehicle being built and would be here around the beginning of April.
Thanks for the feedback
Thursday: Our 8 year old, 98K miles Plymouth Grand Voyager SE broke. A/C clutch had broken off. Found out at the mechanic there was more wrong with it. To repair all would get expensive, had him only fix the A/C clutch so I could sell it.
Friday: Faxed out a request for bids to all Toyota dealers in a 2 hour radius, there are 20 in all. Specified exact configuration, options, and colors. Asked for out-the-door price. Gave dealers until Wednesday the next week to respond.
Monday: Went to local Toyota dealer. Test drove an XLE. Negotiated a little, but dealer wanted full MSRP plus it would have to be a special order. According to dealer no vehicles showing with exact configuration I was looking for.
Tuesday: Got the Plymouth Voyager back from repairs. Washed it, drove to CarMax and sold it for bluebook value.
Wednesday: 8 dealers responded to my bid request. Cheapest was $400 over invoice. One claimed he had the exact vehicle, all the others insisted none was showing on their computer for this region and it would have to be special ordered (10-14 weeks). Also contacted a dealer through Costco's auto-buying program. They were willing to match the lowest bid but didn't have the car either.
Called the one dealer that claimed to have the exact car I wanted. He asked $800 over invoice. The car is said to be coming in during the next few days. Asked to fax me a copy of his invoice plus VIN number. He did, it matched, colors and all, I made a $500 down payment.
Friday: Message from dealer on answering machine that car has come and is ready.
Saturday: Drove down to dealer, 1:45 hour each way. Picked up car.
Today: Greatly enjoying my new Toyota!! :-)
Price paid was $35887 for the vehicle. Added to that is tax (3% here), inspection, tags and processing, making for $37217.91 OTD.
-Rob-
That's not a bad price considering how hard is to get an XLE AWD. Of the 1600+ Siennas in the SouthEast Toyota region, buyatoyota.com shows 6 available XLE AWDs.
I paid 32,597 + 3% tax (977.91) + 56 tags + 269 dealer fee for out the door price of 33,900 for an XLE AWD w/ package 17 (GK), carpet mats, front and rear mud guards. I was targetting OTD of 34,000 and had one dealer beat another for the extra 100. I had many dealers tell me that that was a good price and they couldn't match it. I'm picking the van up this week.
You might be able to do 500-750 better but again, XLE AWD supply is low making it tough to bargain. If you're flexible on color and/or options, you might be able to get a better deal.
Best of luck.
MSRP: $35071
Dealer fees: $90
OTD: $35161
Discount: $2319
NET: $32842
I include all the fees in the OTD price before getting the discount number. I dont include tax and tags as a factor. Crypie it looks like you got a pretty good price too. Around here its not possible to get any lower than that (that I'm aware of).
You don't sound too enthusiastic in your post.
I'm picking up my XLE AWD this week.
If you do mostly city driving I would expect about 13-15mpg (14 is realistic). The 18mpg city is a load of doodie unless you live somewhere you can drive down hill all the time. The 24mpg highway number is also high in my opnion.
My official numbers for the Sienna AWD are 13-15city 18-21mpg highway. My bet is thats where you will be. From the Sienna Club I think I still have the best overall mpg in an AWD.
I suspected that the EPA numbers were a high just based on the size of the van before I got it. Its 4200lbs and has AWD so I suspected the actual numbers would be lower than the EPA estimates. If the EPA would actually drive the cars instead of running them on a dyno we may get better estimates.
Help, I have to finalize the deal soon. Is this a good deal?
I was told by one dealer that you can only get certain packages in certain areas. I tried to build my sienna using buyatoyota.com and the desired package wasn't available in that region. I then ordered one and supposedly the dealer I ordered from told me that it would not be a problem.
That being said, my second question is the general idea of an XLE FWD, Stratoshpere Mica with package 14, rear spoiler, carpet mats, running boards, and chromatic mirror. They are predicting 8-10 weeks delivery time out the door price of 32,100. They said it was $300.00 over invoice, but I found them to be a lil higher than that. Didn't want to argue over the 300 in question.
I guess I am just looking for feedback to see if I was treated right and if I am really LUCKY .
Based on the feedback, this price seems pretty close to the best deals I've heard of. I walked out on the dealer, so I think he's not going to go much lower. Hopefully I'll pull the trigger on it today.
I'll keep the board informed
I am looking to buy a 04 Sienna LE with BW (pkg 7) in the MA area. I know that Autofair in NH offers good deals. Does anybody know of Massachusetts dealers willing to be reasonable in their negotations?
Thanks for sharing experiences.
-MKN3
My vehicle will be in this week - I'll post a follow-up once I actually go down there to pay and pick-up.
............MSRP....INVOICE
base......34,480..30,685
#6...........3,630...3,018
paint..........220......187
mats..........274......174
Delivery......540......540
Add fee.................741
Doc fee.........0.........0
30 temp lic...15.......15
Total......39,159...35,360
I paid 35,414 out the door. The only other costs are sales tax and license.
This was in the south west and sale was completed at the end of February.
Troy
Yeah I think you got a good deal
I just closed the same deal on a base Le 8passenger Sienna. The price they sold at was 24300
2008 tax
215 license
5 CA tire fee
45 doc fee
26573 out the door
I had to wait 3 weeks for it to be built and shipped. Worth the wait. Let me know if I can help any further.
Despite my username, I stopped looking in August of last year when we got our Sienna LE. I only had one bad experience with a dealer the entire time we were looking. Your post made me think of it. I can say that I am very happy that I decided to wait for this van. It was definitely worth all the hassle and aggravation I went through!
Although she didn't lie about she can sell to anyone even the ones who didn't buy the vehicle at her dealership. By the same token, you can buy from any other dealer TOO!
I know one dealer is selling the genuine *Toyota Extra Care Extended Service Contract* Platinum package 7yr/75k with ZERO deductible for the 2004 Sienna for, get this, $515!
And you paid $745 for 6yrs/75K with $50 deductible? The good news is that you can go back to ask them to change to match the above or you will cancel it and buy from somewhere else.
Your purchasing price of the van is pretty good though. Congratulations and enjoy it!
Steve, Host
7 year warranty. Of course I declined it. Is such offer standard?
I know that I have not got the best deal for warranty but when look at the deal with financing, I think that I made a good deal. What do you guys thaink?
I am in Chicago suburbs.