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  • denrightdenright Member Posts: 285
    The 325 is a sweet car and offers almost everything that the 330 does. Depending on how you option it up, the difference will be anywhere from $4K to $6K.

    For me, I wanted to get the all wheel drive "xi" option, so the added power of the 330 was particularly attractive.

    Either way, great car.
  • macdude44macdude44 Member Posts: 30
    OK.....So if you DON'T have a security system and you DO have the auto dimming rear-view mirror, does the red clown nose serve any purpose?

    Notice how i avoided the 325 vs 330 argument......not going there again!
  • postoakpostoak Member Posts: 537
    Yes, on the $1650 over invoice that Platypus got on an ED, destination charge was included.

    Invoice (as shown on Edmunds or KBB) + $645 destination + $1400 for importing dealer + $250 for dealer in his own state + TTL.

    Watch the TTL closely. At least in Texas, although we have both state and local sales taxes, on car sales only the state sales tax is assessed. Title fee is $13.00 in my county. License tag is $71.30 in Texas. The dealer will also charge a "documentation" fee in here. Consensus opinion on this board is that $45-50 is reasonable for this. WATCH THIS CLOSELY. Some dealers will try to slide in a $500 documentation fee. This is just pure profit for them.
  • unboringuyunboringuy Member Posts: 90
    To CCCMD:

    The response to your question was inaccurate. As the "regulars" here know, I purchased a 330xi (manual tranny) in early April of this year. Six hours later, the engine overheated, and at least one component ruptured due to the excess pressure. My dealer took the car back and ordered me another. I am still awaiting that new car.

    Bottom line, the problem does occur with the manual transmission (although I've heard it does not occur in the step, but I don't know for sure).

    I HOPE BMW has this problem solved, as my new one is on the way....
  • daswolfdaswolf Member Posts: 43
    I've been quietly lurking here for the last few weeks trying to decide if I should take the plunge on a 325i. Since there's about 1 unhappy post here for every 5207 posts, I'm pretty convinced. I went out to BMW of Peabody yesterday for a test drive. Now I'm really convinced. Only problem, "client advisor" tells me MSRP, no discount on factory orders and August-September delivery. (He did offer me a laughable $200-$300 off an in-stock car. I can deal with the delivery thing. ( I think). But, after reading your previous post (#4542), I don't think I should be paying full MSRP.

    Specs: 325i
    Orient Blue Metallic
    Automatic (the sweetest Auto I've driven)
    Premium Package
    In-dash CD
    Xenon
    -ette interior
    Cold Weather Package (Maybe?)

    Mind if I use the advise you gave hippo? Any other suggestions? Did you place a typical order for yours or was it European Delivery?

    I can get it on line for $1250 under MSRP (carsdirect.com through un-named local dealer - probably Peabody)but I'd rather deal face to face.

    And, please convince me one more time that its worth the wait.
    Thanks.
  • veekay1veekay1 Member Posts: 180
    auxillary fans:
    unboringguy is correct. the problem is specific to the manual trannys. the step cars have 2 auxillary fans and even if this problem were to occur with one fan, the other would take over. This is straight from a knowledgeable BMWNA rep.
    veekay 1 (325xi/sapphire/gray....boat docks in am!!!)
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    "What's funny is that the car is just as steady and composed at 125MPH as it would be at 65MPH" - I had the same observation going 65-125, as well as 125-65 I might add. Exceptionally stable as a highway cruiser.

    "Just a little more wind noise with the lines on the road going real fast like a video game, but very calm and composed" - I got that Porsche 911 to 140 a couple of years ago. The road really narrows at that speed and it's easy to get a tunnel vision if you are not used to it and keep your eyes glued to the road in front of you. I still find it very amusing that my wife was sitting next to me and she was telling me something (yeah, who'd remember - I just kept nodding). A minute later I asked her what she thought about the speed. She had NOT noticed; then she looked at the speedometer and she said it felt very safe and normal in THIS car.
    Now, if we could only get an Autobahn in the States :o)
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    Sure, same things I told hippo168 applies to you too. Do you want to continue negotiating by yourself using my purchase as an example or you'd like me to get you $1,300 off MSRP and just put you through Mary Galvin so you two can finalize the deal? If you go with the second option, please send me an e-mail with the exact specs and anything else that you think might be helpful for the salesperson to know. I only have one request: I need to be sure that you have made up your mind so it won't make me look bad in case you back out. I want to be able to help as many people as I can and I feel that I have a good working relationship with Mary Galvin at Peabody. Your car's specs add up to about the same MSRP as my car's and I think she would be willing to give you a similar deal as mine and hopefully better. Let me know.
  • muddddmudddd Member Posts: 4
    I have a setup very similar to yours:
    325i
    Orient Blue Metallic
    Premium, Sport, Cold Weather Packages
    Stick
    sand 'ette
    Xenon
    CD
    HK

    I agree, you definitely should not pay full MSRP. I paid 1650 over invoice with 5.9%. I bought in S. California (though I live in N. California). If you're interested, I can give you the dealers name.

    After 2200 miles, the car is just a blast to drive. I came from a '93 MR2 which turns on a dime so I had high expectations of the handling. I can definitely feel the weight of the car compared to the MR2 but it does handle beautifully. Engine sound is intoxicating... (I liked apine325i's BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR... about sums it up)... I've only gotten her up to 100 myself. Shifting won't be as big an issue for you but for me I'm just now getting really smooth shifts consistently. The interior is great... the coolest feature in my book is the very dim light that illuminates the stick at night... does this exist for the step?

    I've had no problems with the car yet but I keep a constant watch on the temp gauge. I know that darn aux fan is going to fail some day...

    All in all, it is definitely worth the wait (60 days for me).
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    I forgot to mention that it is worth the wait if you are do not need a new car in a hurry. The best things in life are worth waiting for.
  • twoof1twoof1 Member Posts: 308
    OK so now that I have repented my sins of profanity, I have a quick break in update on my new ride. I picked up my new 325 on Friday morning @ 8:30 AM. The car had 10 miles on it. I had been consulting with my sales rep for so long, he knew I knew about as much or more than he did about the car, so he skipped (at my request) the car demo and info session. By 9:30 I had 20 miles on it and I was in my driveway loading up my camping gear for the weekend. By 3:30 I had 300 miles on it and I was @ 10,000ft. in the Sierra's. The car was absolutely astounding. It was the smoothest trip I have ever made across the desert. First off let me say that the SP suspension is not rought or harsh at all. The car rides MUCH smoother than my '01 Volvo V70 T5. The motor had plenty to give when I needed to pass. I babied it all the way while trying to keep varying the revs. I did manage to bump up to about 5,000 rpm once. I am all but speechless about the quality and solid nature of this car. This thing may not win a drag race against a muscle car, but it is so well rounded and well executed I would not want to consider anything else at this point. Granted this is still the honeymoon phase however I know I did not feel this way when I got my Z3. It just did not feel as solid and well executed. It ran great at altitude and handled like it was on rails. The trip back was uneventful as well. I have very eclectic taste in music and the CD player kept me going the whole way with the likes of Lenny Kravitz, Natalie Merchant, Matchbox Twenty, Bare Naked Ladies, Jimmy Hendrix, David Sanborn, Fatburger, Verde's La Traviata, Mozart and even some Beethoven during the decompression decent back into So. Cal. I am no audiophile, but I think the stock stereo sounds relatively good. I now have about 700 miles on it. After a regular work day today driving the So. Cal freeways, I have an even greater respect for the car. It is truly telepathic how this car connects you to the road and your surroundings. I can't wait till it is fully broken in so I can start playing within the power band.
    In short, I feel reborn again. More info to come.
    PS: The fishing was awesome!!!
    Peace
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    Great write-up - I enjoyed it very much. I feel a sense of camaraderie with you and other posters that feel the same way about their 3-series. You will enjoy the car even more after it's been fully broken in. Keeping it above 3,000 RPM's is a lot of fun.

    Well, if only you were a Sixers fan but hopefully you'll convert by the end of the series. See - Bavarian sold out for cheap grog and hand-rolled tobacco. We can promise you you'll catch the biggest fish when you come fishin' on the East Coast ;O)
  • mrpeltynmrpeltyn Member Posts: 21
    Greetings...I now have 1300 miles on my 325i and the brake dust is substantial. I have to clean the wheels at least every 5 days or so. Short of the Kleen Wheels fix, does anyone know if this situation will decrease at some point?? Or this this just something to be expected for as long as I own my car? By the way...awesome car in most aspects...glad I took the plunge!
  • laker34laker34 Member Posts: 27
    I live in Southern California and I am looking to purchase a 325i. Can you please tell me what dealer you got your car from?

    I have a setup very similar to yours:
    325i
    Orient Blue Metallic
    Premium
    Auto
    Gray leather
    CD

    That gives you a MSRP of $33,700 and invoice is about $3000 less. What price should I shoot for? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
  • goody4goody4 Member Posts: 55
    Other than being the rear-view mirror dimmer and "alarm-active" indicator, the red button really serves no other purposes.

    However, since your car is pre-wired for the alarm, you can have your dealer set your alarm settings even though you didn't buy any accessories such as the siren.

    This will cause the clown nose to blink once a second while your car is locked, and the parking lights will blink, once or twice then stop, when you unlock or lock the car.

    However, all of the "tripped-alarm" indicators will work as well, so you may want to find out what each of these means.
  • frank69mfrank69m Member Posts: 63
    daswolf: I'm not sure what part of the country you are from, but you shouldn't need to pay MSRP. They are BSing you on this. Shoot for $1500 to $2000 tops over their cost. You can see their cost in edmunds.com

    laker34: Been there and done that. I've probably seen all the 10-15 dealerships in Southern California. If they tell you that these BMWs are hot and your gonna pay sticker, that is a bunch of BS. I got my 330 for about $1800 over invoice and that was a little over a month ago, but it had the free HK and the Black Sapphire Paint that everyone wants.....Have you tried New Century, Assael, BMW of Irvine, Shelly BMW?????

    Also, why the heck are people still waiting for their cars, there are so many choices in Southern California that the lots have many many 325's and 330's....Must be only Southern California where demand and yuppism is a little higher.

    M3 Frank
  • macdude44macdude44 Member Posts: 30
    You'd think a country that built the Bismarck could build a door that doesn't rattle after only 5 days......especially given the fact that they've had to fix about 30,000 of these rattles this year alone!
    Other than that, my 330Ci rocks.
  • roc50mgroc50mg Member Posts: 102
    Denright, it looks like our cars may be on the same boat after all. I checked Owner's Circle this morning, as soon as I woke up, of course, and it finally said that it's "in production." Until late last night the car was still "on order." To confirm everything and to get an idea when I'll be taking delivery, I called BMWNA. One of the reps told me the car hit 150 status yesterday (June 11) and that it usually takes about 14 days for production to be completed, but for the "xi" it may take up to 18 days. Shipping they said, will take about 2 weeks. They could not, however, give me a guesstimate of when I should take delivery.
    Well, at least now I know that SOMETHING is happening with my car. "On Order" was a very painful stage of waiting. For those of you who's car is on order, I definitely sympathize with you.
  • denrightdenright Member Posts: 285
    Woohoo! Mine has also moved to "in production" in the BMWNA "Owner's Circle".

    The BMWNA rep I talked to yesterday said 5 to 6 weeks is usually the time from 150 to delivery for cars built in Germany and delivered to the East Coast.

    I expect to take delivery in late July. June 11 + 6 weeks = July 23.
  • drew37drew37 Member Posts: 62
    NO SOUP FOR YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    Well, well, well. I was going peacefully in the fast lane in moderate traffic this morning as the guy in front of me was looking for an opportunity to go back to the middle lane. An Accord Coupe V6 that I had just passed came up in the middle lane and tried to block me in. He clearly intended to keep me there because traffic was not opening up in front of me and the only opening was in the right lane. So at first he slowed down with me and then sped up a couple of times to keep me blocked in. I coasted for a few seconds to make some room in front of me; he slowed too. I quickly downshifted it in third at 60 mph right into the sweet spot (4,000-4,2000 RPM's) and punched it. He tried to run with me but I'd left enough room between me and car in front of me to gain a full length advantage and take the middle lane ahead of him. The Accord driver was furious as my 325i gracefully danced into the middle lane to the voice of Jim Morrison ("Love Me Two Times" to be precise). He tried to run with me probably thinking "I've got more HP, he can't get away like that". Well he can. Easily, as you could see. A manual helps as does HP at the wheels.

    So a few minutes later I'm merging into another highway and I caught up with a Maxima in the S-curve connecting the two highways. I found a good line through the exit corner and came out at higher speed. The Maxima in front of me punched it and tried to run with me. I heard that hard-working sound that auto trannies make at full throttle and the Maxima was no match for the 325i manual, especially with the exit speed I was carrying.

    After 2,000 miles, the car still seems to be getting sensibly faster. What's even more interesting is that the throttle response seems quicker. Do drive-by-wire throttles have the ability to reprogram themselves to better suit driver's style? Oh, I've also noticed that the exhaust has more growl at full throttle - all good stuff!!
  • dannyledannyle Member Posts: 43
    Lucky it's not a 5spd Maxima eh .... :)
  • burrsrburrsr Member Posts: 255
    For anyone who's considering doing the Ultimate Drive, Just Do It! I participated this weekend, and I have nothing but good things to say about it. Plus, IT'S FREE -- the only cost to you is your time, which is well-spent. It's basically a scaled-down driving school, condensed into about two hours. Although driving time is limited, what time is spent on the track is very intense -- using 100% of cars' capabilities. So intense, in fact, that the average tire tread life is 50 miles! I'd be happy to give a brief synopsis if anyone is interested.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    5-spd Maxima would be a very close race (probably slight acceleration advantage for the Maxima) but the 325i SP would still be able to exit the S-curve that I was talking about at higher speed beacuse of its superb handling. The Maxima will also need a driver who can switch gears in a split second and I haven't seen too many of those in everyday traffic.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    I'd like to know more about it - please share all details. I think I'm scheduled for this Saturday but I have not received anything in the mail - did you?
  • burrsrburrsr Member Posts: 255
    I did get a postcard verification in the mail about a week prior, but it didn't end up being necessary. They will have your name on file when you register (the first thing you must do on the day of the event). I will post a synopsis sometime when I get a free period of time today.
  • koaladudekoaladude Member Posts: 9
    Hello...after much agonizing over engine, color and options I finally took the plunge and ordered :-)

    330xi
    Orient blue
    Sand leather & wood trim
    Stick
    HK + CD and some ski stuff
    (Xenon included here in Canada)

    The deal I got is basically MSRP but I convinced this dealership to waive the so called prep and transport cost (~$US 1000). Also they were the only ones who thought about giving me a '98 328i loaner (for $400 a month) until the new one comes in (as my current A4 is off lease next week)

    So here I am now prepping up for the upcoming torture wait.. :-)
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    This morning during my drive across the Tappan Zee Bridge, I saw a dark blue Boxster that looked like it might have been the same one I played with two weeks ago. Wondering if a re-match was possible, I worked my way up to him, and sure enough, it was the same guy. Meanwhile, an Audi A6 2.7T was lurking a lane over so he moved over next to me. There we were, three abreast and easing off the speed a little so as to make room for a good run when we got to the tollbooth. We were able to open about 200 yards when I saw another Boxster (this one yellow) slowing down from the pack of cars in front of us. As he got closer, I could see the "Twin Tail Pipes" denoting a Boxster S, this was going to be fun.

    The four of us were now rolling in a line as we were climbing the western side of the arched portion of the bridge over the main channel. Then it happened, as we crested the top of the bridge, we saw a solid wall of brake lights. We all gave each other a wave, and that was it. Bummer!

    Best Regards,
    Shipo

    P.S.
    On the sunroof debate from yesterday, I have two little ones in the back and they do not complain about any extra wind when the roof is open. It seems that the little pop-up wind deflector is more than ample at reducing the wind to the back seat. When you pull it down while at speed, the interior of the car becomes very blustery and uncomfortable.
  • trejos28trejos28 Member Posts: 93
    but it's worth it! well, that's what I'm told [:+)
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    This morning during my drive across the Tappan Zee Bridge, I saw a dark blue Boxster that looked like it might have been the same one I played with two weeks ago. Wondering if a re-match was possible, I worked my way up to him, and sure enough, it was the same guy. Meanwhile, an Audi A6 2.7T was lurking a lane over so he moved over next to me. There we were, three abreast and easing off the speed a little so as to make room for a good run when we got to the tollbooth. We were able to open about 200 yards when I saw another Boxster (this one yellow) slowing down from the pack of cars in front of us. As he got closer, I could see the "Twin Tail Pipes" denoting a Boxster S, this was going to be fun.

    The four of us were now rolling in a line as we were climbing the western side of the arched portion of the bridge over the main channel. Then it happened, as we crested the top of the bridge, we saw a solid wall of brake lights. We all gave each other a wave, and that was it. Bummer!

    Best Regards,
    Shipo

    P.S.
    On the sunroof debate from yesterday, I have two little ones in the back and they do not complain about any extra wind when the roof is open. It seems that the little pop-up wind deflector is more than ample at reducing the wind to the back seat. When you pull it down while at speed, the interior of the car becomes very blustery and uncomfortable.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    You guys should all agree to make it to the tolls at the same time every morning and have a little run together. Winner pays for the speeding ticket so everyone's happy that way :o)
  • burrsrburrsr Member Posts: 255
    Here's a synopsis of the Ultimate Drive ("UD" from here on) I attended this weekend. I truly enjoyed it -- like a pared-down, two-hour driving school with BMWs as test cars! I'd recommend it to anyone who has a BMW or is thinking about buying one. If you've been to a driving school before, there's probably nothing new here.

    The UD is not run by BMW. Rather, it's put on by a sports marketing firm of which BMW is a client. Apparently they do a sort-of traveling road show around the country. Most of the organizers are kids fresh out of college. All of the instructors, however, are certified drivers with racing experience.

    The 2 hours is broken up into a half-hour of classroom/demo stuff followed by 1.5 hours of track time. The classroom time is devoted to vehicle dynamics and targets the role tires play in the acceleration, braking, and handling of a vehicle. Oversteer and understeer are explained in detail, as well as techniques to invoke and minimize each. Probably nothing that many on this board are unfamiliar with. The demos were interesting in that they pitted both a X5 3.0 vs a RX300 and 330Xia vs A4Q in a slalom course to show BMW's handling advantages. The AWD technological advantages were further highlighted in a roller-ramp demonstration that showed the BMW's ability (same cars as above) to climb with only one wheel gripping. Interesting, but no fun stuff yet.

    On to the fun stuff! The roughly 50-person class was divided into its respective car selections: X5 3.0, 330Xia, and 530ia. No manuals -- all were autos. I had registered for the 530i group. The "tracks" were coned-off courses in the large parking lot. One track for each vehicle group (3). Each course had about 4-5 cars for the roughly 15 students and 4 instructors. At 3 students and 1 instructor per car, 4 cars seemed about the limit for the relatively small course. They encouraged you to be 100% aggressive with the throttle and brakes on the first couple runs. "Floor the brakes and floor the throttle" to get a feel for the limits. Then we added in some handling, which requires the "feet to follow the hands" in terms of smoothly executing and combining all three driver inputs. Then we each got a couple of full-bore test runs around the track, with the instructor giving you input along the way.

    This all culminated in the competitive portion of the day: the timed team and individual runs. We were divided into two teams of 8 students + 2 instructors each. Each student was timed around the course with an instructor, yielding the individual times. Simultaneously, the team clock was running, meaning the "pit" times had to be minimized. Driver switches had to be done after each lap in a "tag the next driver" format: get out of the car, run to the next driver, tag him, and off he runs to the car to begin his lap. Hitting orange cones = 2 second penalty, hitting green cones = 4 second penalty. Although our team lost (one driver hit THREE cones), it proved to be very fun and competitive! Most individual times were in the 17 second range. I think the best student time was just below 16.00. I hit a good run with 16.54. Most of the instructors ran in the low 15's, with one of them breaking into the 14.9x range, so they ran about 1.5-2.0 seconds faster than the most students.

    Need a quick break -- more to follow.
  • langley2langley2 Member Posts: 24
    Do we know if the ship is definitely in yet ? As I said in an earlier post, my gray/black 325xi is on it as well.
  • langley2langley2 Member Posts: 24
    I remember reading a number of posts a while back from a big fan of Kleen Wheels. Think his name was "alpine" or something like that. I'd be interested in hearing his updated opinion on the Kleen Wheels product (i.e., excessive heat problems, brake fade, etc.). I'm thinking about ordering a set for my new 325xi, and I sent an e-mail off to BMWNA asking their opinion about them. They had none. They just gave me a general statement advising me that use of any non-BMW product could potentially invalidate my warranty and suggested that I take the matter up with my local service advisor.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    I did this for the past two years. I had a 328 back in '99 and an X5 last year. I've wanted a BMW for a while but after the autocross with the 328, I was absolutely convinced that I was going to get a 3-series and the only questions was when. Your UD setup sounds exactly like what we did. A couple of details that I can add: I thought it was amusing that they arranged us in order of height with the tallest drivers starting first followed by the shortest drivers. The instructor in the passenger seat would push the seat forward by a notch with every driver change. It was around 90 degrees that day and I also remember them telling us not to switch the A/C/ off and that full throttle shuts it off temporarily for full power. Still have not seen that confirmed anywhere else. Even the track times were very similar - I remember running at 16-sec-something but our average lap time might have been a little higher. I pulled in a very good time and I couldn't believe another driver beat me by 2/10 or so. It came out he owned a BMW; I thought to myself: one more reason to get it. And yes - those instructors were running at least a second faster than our best time - that is a HUGE difference on a 17-sec track - unbelievable how much room for improvement there is. This year, though, BMWNA is not running the UD in the same format in the Boston area. It is organized by individual dealerships. I signed up for a Z3 because that was the most interesting car that I could get with a manual. The Boston area UD sounds like a glorified sales event but you definitely had the real deal. I'd do it again every year if I could.
  • burrsrburrsr Member Posts: 255
    The professional drivers were MUCH smoother in their steering, throttle, and braking coordination and were able to exit curves at a much higher velocity. Many students would SLAM on the brakes prior to a curve so that acceleration would have to be re-gained around the curve in an understeering condition, resulting in lost time and speed. Of course, these guys SHOULD be 10% faster than most novices who have been around the course only a handful of times. It's easy to see where time can be gained/lost in track conditions.

    That was it! Again, I'd say it was 2 hours well-spent for anyone who drived or is considering buying a BMW, as well as anyone interested in learning more abour vehicle dynamics basics on a first-hand basis.

    Separate from the UD was a tent where you could sign up for the roughly dozen of BMWs (330's, 325's, Z3's, 540's, 530's and X5's -- no M cars for obvious reasons) on-hand for test drives. Every mile driven = $1 donation from BMW to a breast cancer foundation -- a great cause. I drove a 540i wagon and a 330xi. Could not tell much difference b/tw Xi and my i on dry pavement. 540's engine is wonderful -- offers about the same acceleration from seat-of-pants as a 330i. There were no manuals -- all autos. I asked why, and they said that they put out 1 manual per day and it ALWAYS gets destoyed the same day. Go figure...

    Also, when I drove the 530i, it was noticeably more ponderous and less responsive than my 330i. I guess that's the trade-off for increased size and luxury, but it reinforced to me why I bought the 3er.

    Sorry for the rambling, random nature of this post -- just trying to get it all down on paper!
  • burrsrburrsr Member Posts: 255
    Ha! I thought the shortest-to-tallest was interesting, too. I even asked about the A/C (figured it might be worth a 1/10th or two...) and they said it would equalize the performance. I also asked about allowing us to use the "Sport" step mode instead of "Regular". Holding gears around curves versus having to wait for downshifts would HAVE to shave a few more 1/10's, especially on such a short course, I reckoned. They did not have a very good reason why not to use it (or maybe I just could not understand our Swedish instructor), so I just went with the flow.

    Interesting note about the A/C under full throttle starts -- wonder if anyone can verify.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    <<<when I drove the 530i, it was noticeably more ponderous and less responsive than my 330i>>> I couldn't agree more - the 5-er just isn't nearly as much fun as the 3-er. If I ever need a bigger car when we have kids, we'd be looking at wagons. If they don't do the trick, I'd buy a van and still keep my 3-er.

    I am not surprised that the manuals get whacked so fast - it's easy to get carried away with them and most people have never pushed a car that hard, especially with a manual. I think we kept the car in second all the way around the track - it was that kind of autocross.

    As far as the A/C and full throttle, acceleration is noticeably slower with the A/C on in my car and I'm not buying what the instructors told us. It was excruciatingly hot, though, and I feel for them doing this the whole day but I can see for myself that my 325 is faster with the A/C off.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    How do you think the instructors get those better lap times? They turn off the A/C. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    That explains everything.

    Hey, you should try to nip that Boxster with the A/C on next time - it seems like it's no challenge w/o the A/C.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Whenever I am in a situation where a little extra ooomf is necessary, I manually turn off the A/C for the duration. FWIW, I have been seeing A/C cutouts since the early 1980's, my 1981 Audi 4000 with the 1.8 VW/Audi motor (a whopping 83HP) actually had a button under the gas pedal just for this purpose. Most later model cars use either a vacuum sensor in the intake manifold or a throttle position sensor for the A/C cutoff.

    As far as Boxsters, the A/C will ALWAYS be off.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • reubencahnreubencahn Member Posts: 102
    Is there a difference between the Ultimate Drive and the Susan G. Kommen Ultimate Drive?
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    What I meant was, whenever I come up against a Boxster, I will have my A/C off. ;-)

    As far as the Boxster, it has one of the finest climate control systems available. This is because not only does it have the standard temp. sensor, it also has an integral light meter to determine how much sunlight is pouring in through the windows. This way, you do not get "Arctic Blast" mode at night.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • kominskykominsky Member Posts: 850
    Don't the BMW's have the dash mounted light sensors? Even my wife's Odyssey has one!
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    No I am afraid not, the only "Light" sensor that I know of on the E46 is the cute little infra-red sensor for the automatic wipers on the 328i/330i cars. This is a cool trick, the sensor emits a beam of infra-red light at about a 45 degree angle toward the glass and then measures how much of the light bleeds (via refraction through the water drops) off after it bounces off of the glass. If the glass is clean and dry, no bleed, if it is very wet, lots of bleed.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • burrsrburrsr Member Posts: 255
    I initially thought it was all one long name for the event. :) The two are separate: the Ultimate Drive is the classroom and track experience that I detailed. The Susan G. Kommen Drive is the test drive tent. $1 will be donated to the Susan Kommen breast cancer foundation for every test mile driven. They had about a dozen models on hand for anyont to test drive. The course was on public roads, but it was the same (7.8 miles in this case) for everyone. It was interesting to see several well-marked bimmers in a row blatantly exceed the posted limits by wide margins! If the local constabulary knew what was up, they'd have had a field day with "local revenue generators" (my term for tickets)!
  • denrightdenright Member Posts: 285
    I am pleased to hear that you could not detect much difference between the 330Xi and your 330i. I test drove both repeatedly and could detect little difference in dry pavement performance, but did detect some small differences in cornering in wet weather. Honestly, I feel like there is very little sacrifice in dry performance for the added security of the AWD. I am gratified to hear someone else voicing an essentially similar opinion.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Now I am really confused. I must have missed something I said somewhere. I suspect that you are thinking of what Burrsr said in his discussion of his experiences during the Ultimate Drive.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • uge123uge123 Member Posts: 100
    My car came into port last Tuesday June 4 and it still hasn't made its way to Chicago yet! Argh! It's been "released to shipping" but as of yesterday AM it was still at the VPC. I'm very excited but am also very impatient. I ordered the car on April 30 or so.
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