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Mercedes-Benz S-Class



  • benznutbenznut Posts: 104
    I believe that the S430 will be discontinued, as it is happening with the E, M, and Clk already. I think it will be replaced by a more powerful V6 than the current 320. Frankly, I expected Mb to increase the power in the 500 engine with the arrival of the new models, in order to compete with the new 4.4L from BMW. WE will see
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah the S430 is in a tough spot. The LS430 and 745i are flanking it pretty good. I don't think they'll drop it, unless they lower the base price of the S500. Me no sure either.

  • v12powerv12power Posts: 174
    Is there some reason they wont crawl under the dash with some spray lithium grease and fix this? The squeak is undoubtably just a pedal bushing, if the brake light switch is not operating smoothly, hence the tap noise, lube it too. I don't hear mine, our cars are identical in this area, it is not right.

    The car should not be aligned to pull slightly right. That is pure bunk. Are they going to replace those 18" tires when they wear out prematurely? The car should be aligned to go STRAIGHT down the road, period.

    It sounds to me like you ought to find another dealer. I hope you have another somewhat close by. I get really perturbed when dealers handle things like this. They need to make that car drive as YOU want it too. The irony is that the fixes are really simple. Just a couple hopurs in the shop and they would have a satisfied customer. If they wont correct it contact MBUSA, the number is in your manual. Let us know how this progresses.
  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    Hey, I like what info you had about the future S and the engines. Below is a link to some 2006 S-class info. Also Auto Bild Mag. in Germany and its inside sources are also saying that the next gen S-Class will have so much computer power, telematic systems, and electronic gizmos that it might as well drive itself. The GST is a hint. (night vision??)... Also I agree with you that the E-class is the best MB and the new one is nice. It is a drivers sedan. I like that in a car. Take care
  • ejerodejerod Posts: 86
    Benzams.. yes this is normal when the ignition is first shut off there are various buzzing noises. The watchamacallits and the thingamajiggers are just going into the static position. The hissing is the car's suspnsion system releasing air and settling into the rest position. If you notice ( you can do this by having your headlights on and facing a wall, or having the door open with one foot on the ground when you first start the car) when you start the car it raises itself about 3/4 of an inch. When you shut it down the car lowers itself again. Again all normal. I like it, makes me feel like I'm on the command deck of the space shuttle after it just landed.. lol. I've had some problems with the car. Talking with MB now about an extended warranty. I went out and test drove other vehicles last week. The Infinity Q45, The LS430. Both nice cars.. but after I got back in my car, and watched the salesmen and other customers look at me as I drove off, I had this warm fuzzy feeling and a huge grin on my face.. all in all I love this car.. 2001 S500 AMG package and venitlated seats, auto trunk closer, illuminated door sills, wood shifter and steering wheel and too many other options to list here..enjoy and buy the warranty.. Even Lexus is having problems with their phone system.. too many gadgets and still man made.. somethings bound to happen sooner or later no matter who makes what...:)
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Thanks. Their server must be down, cause the link won't pull up right now. I truly hope MB doesn't try to top BMW with the next S-Class. The both of them will cease being "just" cars.

  • benznutbenznut Posts: 104
    It is unavoidable that the next S Class will try (and most likely succeed) to top the new 7 series. Among other things, I have read that the new S will feature steer-by-wire technology, that menas no mechanical linkage between the wheels and the steering wheel (currently illegal in Europe). MB engineers are confident that the laws in Europe will change till then. MB has always been a pioneer in flagship technilogy and it is not about to give up now.
    Now, it seems official (almost) that the bi-turbo V12 will make it into the facelifted S Class. Does this mean that the rest of the flagship fleet will get it too, namely the Cl and SL class? If yes, I am eager to read how a bi-turbo SL600 will compare to the SL55 (that was tested at 208mph, and AMS recently tested its 0-100kmh at 4.4 sec - way deep into 360 Modena and 911 Turbo territory)
  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    I just had my friend fax me the german article about the 2006 S and it confirms the drive by wire system. Other systems include computer assisted radar braking. Like the cruise control system now only for city driving (think automatic brakes). A night vision system like the Cady's only more advanced. New engines and a upgraded ABC suspension standard on all models. Complete voice activation on all interior controls (even a system to open the windows by saying "window down") and many fewer buttons because of the voice control. I think MB is not going to use a i-drive like system, rather as computer power increases dramatically it will be mostly voice activated. After reading this article I felt that if you take out the words Mercedes you could replace them with space craft. I don't know but I feel that someday we may miss a drivers car. All for now.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Oh no! Where are you guys getting this stuff from? My heart skips a beat reading about future Mercedes and what they're going to try and bring to the market. I just hope during all this technology they don't forget to continue the sportiness of the current S and at the same time improve on old MB virtures, like pure quality, safety and the whole bank vault feel thing.

  • chivas3chivas3 Posts: 1
    I just purchased my first MB, the S500, year 2000 model. I am still beaming over the car and love it. It took me a few days to get adjusted to the COMAND system, but don't mind learning the system. I actually enjoy the gadgets.

    One thing I found was that the cell phone is really well integrated and makes up a BIG part of the COMAND system. For some reason, MB installed an ANALOG (800 mhz) only phone in the car (even in yr 2000???).
    Anyhow, that was a big disappointment since I have been reading up on ALL the wonderful data features that the new 2002/2003 models will have with the upgraded phone system connected via fiber-optics. All the features that I will not be entitled to...even after dropping $70K for this car.
    On top of that, I went to a cell store to have it activated when they told me they are not able to activate ANY analog phones..the carriers will not allow it. Basically, I cannot take advantage of any of the "Digital" plans that have reasonable pricing with the current Motorola "brick" phone which resembles the old DPC550...if any of you remember. I had to call Verizon and Cingular directly to learn that they only offer 1 plan for analog phones..with OUTRAGEOUS pricing.

    I wanted to upgrade my phone and inquired about it through a MB dealer. They told me that I can only upgrade to the Motorola Startac 7860 which will run on the 800 mhz frequency. They told me I cannot get the new V60 phone bec. I don't have the integrated fiber-optic connections. They told me that the price for parts alone is $2000; not including labor.

    Does anyone have a work-around this, without paying $2000 for a half-baked solution. I cannot seem to find ANY information on aftermarket integration with the MB COMAND system.

    I would appreciate any information on any other options that you may be aware of.

  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    Unfortunately I believe you are pretty much out of luck in terms of aftermarket integration. The MB phones have chips and software in the phone itself that integrate with the COMAND system. Yes, older models are not compatible with the new systems and I've even heard the the new COMAND System II replacing the system in the 2002 S/CL, 2003 E, and 2003 SL(that's right the current system in the new SL will be replaced early next year) will not be compatible with current V60 phones. Technology changes so fast (ie.computers/PDA/Software) that when cars are fitted with these things, like a PC upgrade, sometimes you have the replace the whole computer (or in this case, the car) to get advantages from new one item.
  • benznutbenznut Posts: 104
    Technology is supposed to make things simpler. Getting stuck with an analog phone in a 2000 S is simply unacceptable.
  • v12powerv12power Posts: 174
    My '01 S600 has a dual band star-tac phone. The issue I have is that in a rural area I can't get programming for the phone. I have to base it out of a long distance area code. They make you choose from four carriers, ATT, Verison, Sprint, or Voice Stream. That stinks because I don't have those to choose from. My cell carrier has been trying to get the ATT program OUT of my phone but it appears that it is also in the command system. So I pay more because they sell loyalties, unfortunately to thier advantage, not the customers. The bright side is that the Lexus system is worse, or at least it was.
  • cvrinccvrinc Posts: 16
    I have a 2000 S430 with the stock chrome wheels and Mercedes issued Continental ContiTouring 225/60 R 16 "H" rated tires. I have 27,000 miles on the tires and they are wearing out fast. Once these tires start to go, they really go fast and I am hearing a lot of tire noise.

    I was hoping to get more miles out of the Continentals, but this is the first set for me. Is 27,000 about right for normal driving for these tires? I would have preferred the Michelin MXV series that were issued on some of the other S classes, but I guess this was the luck of the draw.

    Now the question is, what is everyone's opinion on what brand of tire to replace the Continentals with, staying with the current stock size? And keeping in mind the best ride, handling, and durability for the S Class.

    I look forward to hearing everyone's response.

  • cmcgaheecmcgahee Posts: 5
    No question about it. Go with the Michelins! Total mileage depends on your driving habits, but 27000 miles isn't bad. You'll think you have a new car with the new Michelins.
  • cvrinccvrinc Posts: 16
    Thanks for the response. I am leaning toward the Michelins MXV Plus series, but I didn't know if anyone else had a recommendation for the latest and greatest in tire technology for the S Class stock replacements.

    The Continentals never impressed me. Why did Mercedes have 2 makes of tires on the S Class? Some had Continentals and some had Michelins.

    Any other recommendations and specifically what tire series?

  • v12powerv12power Posts: 174
    The Michelin Energy MXV4 Plus is the tire that MB fits from the factory. If you want a little bit sportier tire for the car you could get the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season. Both have a 400 treadwear rating, meaning they will last a long time, I would expect 40k miles or better. Both are good all season designs. The Sport will sharpen steering response and probably be slightly noisier. Impact harshness may be a bit more too. We are splitting hairs on this though. An S500 is plenty quiet to start with. I personally would move to the Sport, but I am still a young whipper snapper. Either way buy the Michelins.
  • bbrown12bbrown12 Posts: 2
    When one thinks of the sophisticated systems on the S-class I own, this seems so petty. I cannot get my stock 16 inch wheels to balance. The rims are perfect, the tires as well. I had them done several times on various machines and this week on a Hunter GSP-9700 which is supposed to be the best vibration analyser available in North America. However , the shimmy persists. Any suggestions???
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    What year S Class do you own? The early W140 ('92-'99) models were notorious for wheel shimmy.
  • v12powerv12power Posts: 174
    Just because the tires look perfect,does not mean that they are. Sometimes you get a bad tire that is difficult to balance. The better tires from makers like Michelin seem to require less wieght to achieve balance.
  • bbrown12bbrown12 Posts: 2
    My S class is 2001. the tires are Michelin MXV Energy. I've had snows on the back for about 5 months and the front ones are just about finished @25 thousand miles despite moderate driving and frequent tire pressure checks and rotation. Michelin folks tell me that's about right mileage for that tire . I thought I'd get more mileage from a 60 series tire.
    Thanks for the responses to my wheel balance problem.
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    The Hunter balancer addresses things like variation in the tire sidewall stiffnes as a source of vibration. Generally it is quite good in resolving tire/wheel balance issue. I suppose that it is still possible that the tires could have some problem with the belts that the Hunter might not address. Since the front tires are shot (at lower mileage than I would like as well) it probably is worth your while to replace them. When they are replaced you should have the front end inspected and realligned. The front end inspection should be done carefully looking for worn parts such as the steering shock, and bushing wear. If that doesn't cure the shimmy one other place I can think to look would be the brake rotors. Good luck and let us know how it goes. These problems can be vexing but can be resolved. One last thought does the shimmy persist after you have been on the highway a long period of time?
  • Maybe MB should fix it's reliability problems before it tries to build any more "super cars." A super car that is undependable isn't much of a car at all. Consumer reports puts the S-Class below the Cadillac Deville and most other luxury cars in reliability (CR, April 2002, 24).

    Moreover, JD Powers ranks MB 14th out of 20 in its long-term dependability study. Cadillac, Lincoln and Jaguar all score higher than MB, along with the usual suspects, Lexus, Infiniti, Toyota, Honda, etc.:

    Electrohydraulic brakes from a company that can't get basic reliability right? No thanks.


    Just keep the trolling up Merc1. It will give me an excuse to expand this thread to every MB board on Edmunds. When you actually have to spend your own money on a car, rather than reading about them on the web, you might start caring about things like dependability.
  • baron87baron87 Posts: 93
    Maybe once MB catches up to Opel in Europe things will change. Yes, Mercedes has fallen behind Opel, of all brands, in quality in Europe. Aboslutely laughable, and yet you people (merc) go around touting Mercedes as the "epitome of quality and reliability." See the facts, folks, facts.
  • crankstercrankster Posts: 20
    I can barely wait to see the lawsuits when MB brings out Steer-by-wire in a couple of years. Won't it be fun to be in THAT when the system fails.

    Ditto on the Merc1 comments.
  • Good to see you folks ;)
  • I mistakenly said JD power ranked MB 14th in long-term dependability. Actually Audi ranked 14th. BMW ranked 13th and MB ranked 10th. That, however, still puts them behind Cadillac (8th), Lincoln (4th), Jaguar (3rd), Infiniti (2nd), and Lexus (1st).

    For the kind of premium one pays to get that three-pointed star, one should expect a better showing than 10th in long-term dependability. Does it make sense to pay a premium for Lexus quality? You bet. There's no better car in terms of quality on the face of the planet right now.

    Alternatively, one can buy a Deville DTS or Q45 and get better quality than the S-Class at a $25k discount.
  • v12powerv12power Posts: 174
    those cars are no fun to drive Mark. There is no premium for Lexus, they are the discount brand.

    There is a lot more toa quality automobile than JD Powers numbers. I'll tellyou what, you buy a Caddilac and we willcompare how they function after 100k miles. JD Powers is way off and you are twisting the results to justify buying a cut rate lux car.
  • So, when companies like CR and JD Power, who dedicate significant resources to giving consumers unbiased information regarding quality, tell you your car doesn't hold up particularly well, you chose not to believe them. Would this still be the case if they said MBs were wonderful? I wonder.

    Please tell me what was twisted about the JD Power and CR assessments. If you're going to accuse me of twisting the facts, give me a chance to see the error of my ways. What exactly did I twist when I quoted the results of two different reputable quality-related research organizations?

    As for "fun-to-drive," I think a 'Vette would be more fun-to-drive that any of the aforementioned choices. The Q45 is somewhat fun to drive, although it may not make enough "mechanical noise" to suit some people. I'll bet the 400hp CTS will be more fun to drive than any of these choices, save the 'Vette. By all accounts, the CTS is one of the best handlers on the market today, and perhaps just a small notch below the BMW 5-Series. With a 400hp aluminum block V8, with all of that engine's attendant torque, I'm willing to bet the CTS will be plenty of fun to drive! Especially if there are MBs around willing to take up the challenge!

    Better quality (in relation to MB), very good fit and finish, power 'till the cows come home, all at a reasonable price. That's what the CTS, and future Caddys, are all about!
  • popovspopovs Posts: 3
    So, besides those of us who have an ax to grind because of a bad exprience at an MB dealership, or those posting deragatory information in a vain attempt to justify their purchase of anything other than a world class car with truckloads of - dare I say - snob appeal...

    Are there any legitimate MBZ owners/enthusiasts who wish to contribute something usefull to this discussion?
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