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OTOH my Echo has just sailed on past 115K miles with nary a flicker or a flash, and I have yet to repair ANYTHING on this car. I bet it has at least 2 more years (about 35K miles, as much as I drive) in it of totally trouble-free operation. I can't trade now, can I???
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Considering a Civic is $20k now by the time you write the check/sign the papers $13.5k is a STEAL!
Keep the "old" ECHO as a spare and get a new Yaris and have it all!
Can't buy the Yaris without selling the Echo, we only have two parking spots for our cars, not to mention I am still paying on the other car. So I think I will hold off. The current Yaris should still be around for at least another 18 months. I don't know what they will do with it for model year 2011.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Im waiting for them to drop the 1.8 liter Corolla engine into the Yaris at some point. That will be a sorry day.
On the other had Im hearing about a new SMALLER than the ECHO Toyota which isnt scheduled to make it to the US but might anyway. Unfortunately it will have the 1.5 liter ECHO engine instead of an everywhere else 1 liter. It still weighs in at 1900 plus pounds though. Dollar for dollar and gallon for gallon its pretty hard to improve on the ECHO!
I personally want a hybrid power train in the Yaris. The Prius is really a pretty large car, and I think that power train could do wonders in something smaller. I'd give up some trunk space for the power pack.
And it will have a nicer interior and more features than the Echo, which is part of the reason for the $17,5 price tag, although I suspect they will offer a stripper version for more like $15K. Which might be just my speed. And I bet they can boost fuel economy into the mid-40s, what with the reduced weight and Echo's ability with decade-old tech to produce 40 mpg consistently. I am still wondering if the iQ can make it to the States in such a bad economy though...
hey kneisl1, you can have a Yaris with the Corolla 1.8 right now, it's called the Scion xD!
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Of course that was the rumored plan when the iQ was also set to come to the U.S., and I wonder if both plans aren't on hold now with the recession.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
As a plan it makes sense, in order to take on the new $9995 base model Versa.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
My check engine light came on a while back. Went to the dealer. He diagnosed the problem to the O2 sensor. Had that replaced - no luck. Dealer suggested replacing the second O2 sensor. Had that replaced - still no luck. Had a mechanic, check and clean the complete ignition system, checked fuel pump pressure (looks good - but am told by the dealer that this could be the problem). Continue to get a 0171 error. The pump is very expensive, will change if no other options. Any suggestions are welcome.
Air induction system (dirty air filter?)
injector blocked
mass air flow meter
engine coolant temp sensor
fuel pressure (which they say is OK)
gas leakage on exhaust system'
open or short in oxygen sensor (bank 1 sensor1)circuit (this would be the wiring)
sensor itself O2.
I strongly doubt the pump is to blame if the pressure is good. That would be the last thing I would change. You might check the fump and filter for blockage/debris. How is the engine running?
My 2001 Echo has an issue with the driver side window. When I roll the window up, it appears to be slipping as it is being rolled up and barely closes. When I push up on the window with my hand it will close tightly.
Has anybody else encountered this issue? Any ideas on how to fix it? Any comments/suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rob
I have a 2000 Echo and I had this very same issue last fall around Labor Day. All I needed was to replace the bolt(s) inside the door that allows your manual crank to connect with the window regulator. I took it to the dealer. It took about an hour and a half because they do have to take the door apart. You may want to go to a dealership because most other shops won't have the part on hand. Should be fairly cheap, I think I paid less than $30 for the part itself.
And hey, I thought all the '09 Yarises had ABS and TPMS. That's what the sticker on the window says (not the Monroney sticker, but the one Toyota slaps on advertising all the features of the Yaris).
Do you still have an Echo left at home, or is it just your son that has one now?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Yes the Yaris came with ABS and tire monitoring. I wonder how the TM works? Is there wires and hoses going to the wheel?
And it's even more important when you drive a stick and have to try to manage launches from stoplights with the silly thing.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
And it's even more important when you drive a stick and have to try to manage launches from stoplights with the silly thing.
I remember reading complaints about the drive-by-wire that Toyota uses, but also other manufacturers?
I have a '07 manual Camry with the drive-by-wire accelerator Yes, it's different, and takes some getting used to, but I have no complaints anymore. At first, yes, it was a pain.
NEWS FLASH! According to the parts department at Toyota the stems are $102 each! They are metal so they should last longer. But when they go its gonna cost you if you want TPMS. I wonder can you use Ford etc ones which might be less? Hmmm tire pressure gauge: FIVE DOLLARS!
I agree, it is not worth it, but it is a law the government passed years ago that is requiring car makers to put a tire pressure monitoring system on all the new cars as of a certain date. I've always checked my tires every week or two, and still do. The worst case is you take a piece of black electrical tape to shut the light off if it every goes bad and you don't want to spend the $.
I am not aware of any aftermarket ones yet - if I ever have to, I'll probably use my aftermarket tape instead! I keep my cars at least 10 years (only got 2 years on the one with the tire pressure monitoring system). So far, so good. I know the system could be a big help if you get a nail in your tire or something that causes a slow leak on a long trip, so it isn't all bad, I guess.
Now for some more good news! If you manage to lose all three of your keys and you have the engine disable system, they REPLACE THE ENGINE DISABLEMENT SYSTEM! You cant get new keys!
TPMS was mandated so that folks with chronically low tires would be notified, so I guess that's how they designed the system to work - if from one day to the next your tire is low, you will be notified. TPMS was mandated as a result of the Firestone fiasco, when part of the blame for tire failures went to the very low pressure specified by the factory and that some of the incidents had involved tires that were even lower than spec.
I see that Yaris now has 60-month 0% financing AND a $1000 cash rebate in my area - the urge to trade the Echo gets ever stronger...
:-(
The one factor holding me back is I want a 3-door with a tach, and only S's have a tach, and it appears they are not building S's right now, or at least none are coming to my neck of the woods.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
The sticker for my Yaris was $14,8XX and I paid $14,2XX. (plus tax) I also got the 0% fiancing. I just brought the 04 ECHO to the dealer to see what they would give me for it. I know the trans or something is bad and I was afraid it would blow, Id be unable to find someone to fix it, (no one could diagnose it...they all said just drive it) and be unable to sell it. I didnt bring a checkbook or even the title for the 04. But despite that I drove home in a new Yaris and left the 04 ECHO with them. I had to bring the dealer the title and a $5000 check the next day. Ive also heard Toyota has a 170 day supply of Yaris's and they are not selling.
Maybe this is a good time to test the waters?
Echo, Tercel, and ___?
T100
MR2
Celica
Corona
Starlet
Paseo
Echo has the dubious distinction of occupying the most-renamed segment in Toyota's lineup, from Starlet to Tercel (including the Paseo coupe) to Echo to Yaris in 25 years. Whew!
By contrast the van changed names once (twice if you include the original "Van"), the midsize sedan has changed once (to Camry) and the compact sedan hasn't changed names at all in close to 40 years. With the advent of Yaris, Echo has been replaced by a 9/10-scale Corolla. At least the hatchback is still a small car. I hope Toyota continue to offer genuine subcompacts in its lineup in future. But if Yaris gets any bigger with the next redesign it won't qualify any more....
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Also, what about the Toyota Carina which was related to the Corona, and the Toyota Crown?
Maybe they will bring the Aygo to the US. Of course my Yaris Sedan is 6 inches longer than the 1973 Toyota Corolla sedan on which I learned to drive. All the models grew as time went by even the Corona was just slightly larger than the Yaris.
I intentionally excluded the Crown, given it was sold so long ago (in America) and only for a short while. But I was trying and failing to remember the name of the Carina, so thank you for that! :-)
I look forward eagerly to the debut of the iQ, and I hope very much that they bring the Aygo to the U.S. too, although right now odds look poor.
And how's that for a coincidence, I also learned to drive on a 70s Corolla, in my case a '75 wagon!
I think it's interesting that the Yaris hatchback has such a smaller wheelbase and length than the Yaris sedan, and I would like to see that continue in the new model, which I presume we will see late next year. The Yaris sedan is getting too big.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
This shows how to add cruise control to your yaris for $10!
Ever heard anything about the Michelin HydroEdge tire? Supposedly it has a 90K-mile treadwear warranty and substantially better traction in the wet than their standard Harmony tire. Wet traction is something Echo needs as much of as it can find, and this is the year when I will be replacing the tires. So I am just mulling it over, it's still a few months away....
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
But if you DO get a Yaris at some point no need to spend $$$ on CC!
And the Europeans are going diesel. So nobody will be making a good gas-powered car with high fuel economy in future. :-(
The only possibility is that Fiat will sell their small cars through Chrysler dealers - now those little 500s and whatnot get SUPERB mileage!
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Why no one is selling a liter car is beylond me! :confuse:
Small engines that need high RPM's to generate their power are poor candidates for automatic transmissions.
I thought the Smart Car might be good but the mileage stinks...worse than the ECHO.
My friend at work has a Kia Rio that gets 23 mpg....
I hear GM is planning on building a Yaris clone with a 1.2 liter turbo charged engine. That would bear looking into. GM...who knows!
Maybe something Fiat will being to a GM merger?
Probably the ECHO be remain the all time small car champ! Nothing can touch it! Outstanding mileage, huge versatile interior, Toyota quality. Nothing comes close!