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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans



  • greasykid1greasykid1 Posts: 336
    Had a 99 E300. ( now have Lexus LS). Bought rims from Tirerack--nice 5 spoke design--and mounted 225/50/16's. Almost no differance in ride but much better handling & more fun to drive. Tried Perellis & they were terrible. Have to give them credit as the factory bought them back. Changed to Bridgestones. No problems. The 225/50/16 should be the OEM tire.

    Go for it!
  • Has any one had problems with rotors on their 97 E-320. I had to replace my pads and rotors in April and since then I have had to car in 4 times for brake problems. Any suggestions?
  • htohto Posts: 21
    what is the wheel size, 16x7.5? Thanks.
  • tendonstendons Posts: 43
    I have the xenons and they're nice to see light up but I don't think they throw that much more light to be worth any substantial money. Like 3-400 would be o.k, anthing in the thousands I think would be wrong to do.I had a 93 500E which was still going strong with no real difficulties at 110 k, but I don't know about the new ones.Sorry.
  • elcue1elcue1 Posts: 1
    To mkbrown87: I replaced the factory bulbs on my 94 E3230 with xenon bulbs I found on eBay under auto accessories. There are two vendors. I paid the higher of the two (about $20 per pair) because they seemed to be a little brighter. Installation was fast and I notice the difference. Probably not as effective as the factory setup, but good value. Did same for my 97 Altima.
  • steven36steven36 Posts: 13
    Itchmay #2212: Don't understand your complaint. My wife's '01 E-320 has ungraded Bose CD changer and it is beautiful. Much better than the system on my '98 E-320. We like clasical music so maybe lack of boom boom base is your objection. I don't know? We love the sound from the bose system.
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    I have subcribed to C&D for 15 years now and enjoy most of its writing. This month they have $55k sport sedans in the camparo.

    The first choice was the BMW 540. They love Bmw's and this is a great car. They love cars that drive fast and corner the best. Knowing how they think, "sports" being the object, then naturally this is the sportest of the group. My objection to this choice personally was that it is a sedan, and its back seat and trunk don't measure up. Also, the 540 is a needy car that needs tweaky repairs. Its expensive also.

    Number two was the 4.2 A6 audi. IMHO a great design with a great interior. Last november there were none to be had and could not test drive. I like audi's, and the quatro v8 is nice at about 55k. I streched my budget and paid only 51k for my 01'430. A great price at the time. nice interior room and trunk but questionable resale.

    Number three was the lexus gs 430. Was not a consideration for me. Generic styling, small interior also. NIce engine and sporty, but the chorme wheel boyracer look with the spoiler is not my taste. I did not like the interior and felt it was not well made. Was never a consideration.

    Fourth place, and just a point over the E430 was the new q45. the magazine contricts itself over this choice in its opinion. NOt fast but has lots of power. Lots of tech toys but feels its over kill. Styling over done in the interior. Was not available last fall. I would have considered it if I were to lease and they had a good deal, but they did not and I did not lease.

    Fifth placem the E430. They had a sport version with zenon and GPS, this sucker was 63k and the most expensive. They use that against it. They generally commented "been there, done that" in that its a fine car but nothing new or exciting, and with new version out they would wait to get excited. Also talked more about the teleaid than anything else. Rock solid and well handling, but would not say anything bad or really great. Im obviously bias here, and feel it should have least placed 3rd in the comparo.

    6th place was the Jaguar. I did not consiider this offering as its back seat and trunk was not sedan enough for me, but I think the exterior of this car is just great, and the interior is ok. Nice car in my opinion, but not sporty enough for the writers.

    7th was the Cadilac deville sedan. The snobs don't like front wheel drive anything. ITs heavy and does not have tight bolstered seats. It was not going to win. It also had only 4 speed auto. They liked its power, comfort and cargo. Interior was also ok. Funny, this car except for its lack of sport most likely acomplishes the sum of the parts equal a very good car. Not for me, but its a caddy for petes sake and it does a great job in hitting its purpose. Why did they not use a sport seville in its place?? A deville a sports sedan? Dumb choice to place it in this group.

    While my beloved 430 did not finish first, this report does nothing to diminish my choice. ITs performence figures were excellent in the group and one thing that is not highly considered, but is very real is resale value and safety. Those are important right?

    If sports with some utility were my choice, I think the M3 would rank up as my first choice. But I need to carry people, do it safely and preserve my value.

    For those considering a purchase of an E class, I just thought I would offer 2 cents worth.
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    I have been a Car and Driver reader for many years too and I honestly think their reporting is not as good as they used to be.

    With the X Type having the best emergency lane change numbers by far, they didn't even bother commenting or explaining.

    And I noted that they rated the 540i having more comfortable rear seats than the E-class? I find it misleading too as tight and uncomfortable rear seats was the reason why we stayed away from the 5 and got the E.
  • I'd be at the dealer to find options for getting CD for the '01 E430. One is to get the harddrive version of GPS, with one CD slot (so I heard); the other is to get whatever integrates with the built-in controls. I have seen comments here about the slowness of factory GPS, so not inclined to get it. Anyone here has experience with aftermarket CD, not from dealer, but do integrate with the controls? How about the GPS? For $600 I can get the upcoming GPS V, b/w, no sound, not integrated, but portable.
  • merckxmerckx Posts: 565
    I also have been a reader for many years,and I thought their comments on the E430 absurd.The back seat-the BWW is not even close,and is about the biggest problem with the car-it kept me from buying one last spring.
    They are "bored" with the E-class??How can one take this comment seriously?I definately would have picked the Benz.A standard Deville at about $37,000 is an excellent buy-boring to drive,but so comodious,relaxing,and with very pretty styling.For many of the same reasons,I like the Infinity a lot.The only car I like other than the Mercedes is the Lexus LS430-it is not as much fun to drive and is just a little too flashy inside,though.
  • htohto Posts: 21
    It also stated that the E430 sound interior level at idle speed is 46db, while all of the others are averagely at 42db. I think this is a mistake. The back seat of the 540i and its trunk is a trash. Also Motor Trend had the same comparison with and they still think 540i is better than E430. I believed that it's just depended on the personal taste. They are all very close to have a recount. For me, I rather take the E430 than 540i even it doesn't have the best handling.
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    Agree, problem with the 5-series is its lack of rear seat and trunk space. I find it absurd to have a mid size sedan exterior with a sub compact interior. I would rather have a 3 series for its handling over the 5. The 5 is much more expensive, doesn't handle as well, and only has marginally more interior space than the 3 series!

    EPA rates the 5-series as a sub compact which I pretty much agree. And did anyone mention about the 540i's poor mileage?!

    And I wonder how much we can rely on C&D's numbers, the Jaguar S Type can do the quickest emergency lane change and has the second highest grip, yet it doesn't handle as well as the others. C&D should have done some explanation there I think.
  • haspelbeinhaspelbein Posts: 227
    I love my E320, but one of its afflictions is definitely the burned out light bulb behind the LCD multifunction display. When this occurs, a part of the LCD display will be dark. (You might still be able to make it out, but that part of the display is normally not legible under daylight conditions.)

    Unfortunately, I know two other instances where this has happened, so it appears to be a rather common occurrence. (also see post #2149)

    As my car is out of warranty and my mother-in-law was in town, I took on the job myself. (read: I wanted to spend some quality time in the garage.)

    After 30 minutes the interior was slightly less appealing than before:


    It took me about 10 more minutes to put it all back together, and I was able to enjoy the usual amber glow of my LCD display.

    I don't know if I would do it again, but it sure was interesting to hold the instrument cluster in my hands.

    If somebody needs some info on how to do this simple job, I'd be glad to advise.

  • parboparbo Posts: 7
    I am nearing my first year of ownership, and I have to decide about purchasing the MB extended warranty. I am not sure that I will keep the car more than four years, but you never know. Am I taking a big risk not buying it? Will it help with resale if I have it? I am so undecided, so any advice will be greatly appreciated.
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    Good to see an owner who isn't afraid to take his car apart
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382

    Just a reminder that the MB chat is on tonight (6-7pm Pacific/9-10 pm Eastern). Hope to see you there!

  • valueguyvalueguy Posts: 208
    My clock continues to lose time every month. This requires me to set the clock ahead a few minutes every 1-2 months. Then, I have a clock that keeps reasonable time. I have been reluctant to have my dealer fix the problem as I am concerned about the repair causing a rattle or squeak.

    Does anyone know what the repair entails? I have had this problem since day 1 or, was it really day 2?

    I purchased the extended warranty just in case I kept the car for 5-6 years. The electrical system of my M-B continues to be the car's achilles' heel.
  • <<
    the E430 sound interior level at idle speed is 46db, at idle speed is 46db, while all of the others are averagely at 42db.
    This is a big mistake by C&D. I wonder how credible the rest of the article is.

    46 dB is more than TWICE as loud as 42 dB. To be exact, 45 dB is exactly TWICE as loud as 42 dB. I wonder how they measure these things.

    The deciBel level is a logarithm scale. When the sound intensity doubles, the deciBel level only increases by 3.

  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    3 dB is a 41.2% increase. 6 dB is 2 to one increase
  • dB = 10 log (I/Io), where I stands for intensity (Io is the intensity at the threshold of hearing).

    If the intensity is doubled, dB = 10 log (2) = 3 dB.

  • kenyeekenyee Posts: 738
    There is also something strange about measuring sound w/ dB readings. The "3dB = 2x" rule does not apply. It's actually less. Of course, I can't remember how much :-P
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    Interesting note about the Audi. the one they tested they have put 20k miles on it and they beat the **** out of it to remark it was still relativly tight with not to much more cowl shake since it was new. What in gods name do they do to these cars? I think these guys take it to the max. In normal day to day I doubt many of even come close to beating these machines. Yes they are sport sedans, but not race cars. Why take a Deville out and compare to a BMW? I think the BMW is tuned for this and usually wins in the camparos they do.
    I know people that love to drive and do it often, have plenty of money and love their deville's. In fact I don't mind when they drive me because they are comfortable to be a passanger, and I enjoy driving them. and yes a lot fo car for the money.

    I drove a turbo audi and can say that while its is quick, and a very nice car, you can feel front wheel torque thru the steering. I hated the cherry red lighting at night. Too fruity!

    THe magazine uses a subjected weighted system which never makes sense to me.

    In any event, I love the car, am happy with my purchase.

    I agree with many, the 3 series bmw is a better car than the 5. Perhaps if I were shopping and did need the room I would pick a 3 series over a C class. C class is great car which uses its space more effiecent. But in terms of sport, 330i's are nice.
  • haspelbeinhaspelbein Posts: 227
    I don't see as much a problem with squeaks, as I see with the overall effort to get a new instrument panel.
    For all I know, parts of the instrument panel are not sold separately, with the exception of the light bulbs.
    I've also read that a new instrument panel needs to be set up before installation, but I never had to go through this myself, so I can't say for sure.

    If you take a look at post #2234 you can see that I had the instrument panel removed. It is actually not held by any fasteners at all. It's just a perfect fit into the surrounding dash, and I would not expect any squeaks.

    So, if your car is under warranty and the clock bugs you, I would go for it !

    I would agree that the E320 has trouble with minor electrical problems. Fact is, I just had to pull the harness that holds my rear brake light this morning. I noticed that the rear brake light got dimmer and finally the dreaded "Lamp defective" message popped up. The bulbs were fine, but I replaced them anyhow. The contacts of the harness holding the bulbs are corroded.

    Easy and cheap to fix, but just plain annoying.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    Valueguy, I too had the slow clock in my 2000 E430 sport. I like things to work perfectly so I had mine fixed. It seems to work correctly now with no squeaks etc.

    Because the dealer had to order a new instrument cluster (they thought they had one in stock when I set up the appt.) they had me take my car back home. So, while I had my car it had turned 10,000 miles. When I went back to the dealer for the instrument cluster installation, my mileage was back to 9,800, the exact mileage it had when they ordered the part. I got to see 10,000 twice! Mark
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • htohto Posts: 21
    MB has an setup option, which will automatically adjust the clock to the atomic standard clock from the satellite. I can do that through the navigation system menu. I'm not sure if it has the option on the one without the COMMAND.
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    I stand corrected
    dB=20logY/X for other applications such as in control theory but in the case of sound intensity it is 10logY/X.
  • svinaiksvinaik Posts: 84
    Just checked the 2002 E Class pricing on the MBUSA site. MSRP has gone up again and infact apples to apples, My 320 wagon MSRP has gone up by almost $ 2200 since I bought in August 2000 (MY 2000) with pretty much no change whatsoever in the car.

    Base E320 MSRP crossing $ 50K with destination & metallic paint.

    Add to it the decline in german exchange rates in the past year (Gain to Mercedes as the cars are built in germany).

    M Class (MY 2002) & Lexus LS430 (S Class competitor) seem like a steal. Just wanted to share.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    My 96 E was in need of new tires so I researched and found that on Tire Rack the people who had bought the Yokohama AVS db model have been giving rave reviews especially the folks with BMW's and MB's.. Great wet and dry traction, extremely quiet and very good tread life. But they don't come in the standard E size. So I used one of the online calculators and determined that I could go with the 225/50-16 and hardly impact the speedometer. I ordered the tires last night and got a call from one of the Tire Rack reps this morning suggesting that I should go with the 225/55-16 size because the 50 profile has a lower load rating. And the E isn't exactly a lite weight auto. The 55 profile is just as different from the 215/55 but in the opposite direction so that the speedometer will still be off by 1.5%; just slower rather than faster.. I OK'd the change and should have them on the car in about a week. I'll post my impressions a week or two later.
  • htohto Posts: 21
    Actually, 225/55 is closer to 215/55 than 225/50. If you can have a picture of it after the installation. It would be great.
  • Hi All !!

    It's been some time since I posted, glad to hear everyone seems to still enjoy this fantastic car. I went and had my windows tinted, the summer in south florida is intense and I have to say "knock on my wood console" no scratches. I did it at my dealer and they did a great job. I have one issue though, the vent for the rear doesn't seem to blow much air, anyone else have this problem? The dealer put a new a/c blower in last week for the front, could that have affected the rear? By the way, saw the pics for new E, I like it glad it's not a huge change, my 2001 will still look good for the next 4 years.... Not so crazy about the dash. Talk to all of you soon!!!
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