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Another reason the Intrigue failed was because the previous gen GM midsizers were so old, awful and behind the times, why bother giving the 98+ ones a shot?! I'm sure that was the mentality of many shoppers. There was no reputation of excellence/competitiveness of GM vehicles when this car arrived.
b4z/oldsman : If I can swing it, our next sedan could be a CTS. Problem is our next vehicle will likely be an SUV. :-(
?? "Should be" -or- "Could be"
I personally don't care for the looks of the head & tail lights.
dindak, sorry your next car may have to be an SUV but you might want to check out the Cadillac SRX as it is based on the CTS platform.
How involved is replacing the sensor? Is this a dealer scenario or could/should Pep Boys handle Any idea on cost? thanks...
;-)
oldsman : SRX is out of range for us. I like the look of the upcoming Equinox though. I think you are right about Olds, if Cadillac can change it's image, Oldsmobile could have also. That said, Cadillac does also have extremely good product right now.
My car was a 3.2L
It's engraved in the back-up light lens on the passenger side amind the etched "pinstripe" line!
I've had interested aquaintances look at the name on the trunk fast, then yell at me later because when they looked at a Dodge Intrepid, it didn't look anything like my car, and they liked the Intrigue's styling!
Then when I told them it was a Intirgue they thought it was a Dodge Intrepid.
Back in the 70's I was talking to a guy who was looking for a sporty car. I asked him why he didn't look at the Z28.
He said 280Z's were too expensive.
People are idiots.
LOL!
oldsman01
Another reason why it failed could be the little things like the middle line on my hood and front bumper don't match. Their out buy about 3mm. Also you can see where the rear outside pillers between the back window and rear passanger seat were welded together.
Its nothing major but its the little things that help sell cars.
To me it looks like fatigue failure, likely caused by the part being undersized for the load or a manufacturing defect. My cost was $143 for parts, $100 for labour.
evandro, the Cadillac ads are pretty good although being the car nut that I am, I would like to hear the sound of the engine revved up. Maybe they will do that with the new 3.6 liter engine:)
The more sporting the car is the larger the bar.
Many years ago they went to hollow stabilizer bars to save weight.
They do crack or bend from time to time.
If they put a large bar on the front then they have to put one on the rear. The larger the front bar the more understeer. A rear bar increases oversteer.
Didn't know if you knew this but the Intrigue has the largest front bar of any Wbody.
I look at Cadillac's success and wonder how things could have been the same for Olds with some tighter quality control and better marketing.
Local dealer is offering GMS pricing to the public for 2 days. I wonder if they really are or if it's just a sales ploy. Anyone ever heard of this before?
The state of used cars vary a lot, primarily due to the care it's got. I've also seen a '99 Intrigue with about 26000mls stinking to dog and with several interior panels falling off. The one I ended up getting has a pristine interior, a couple of dents and some deteriorating rubber around the windows. Not as good as one that I hesitated about and was bought by someone else, but I factored those minor issues in the bargain, so I'm happy.
But living in the South, I was careful to check that the car didn't come from the snow belt, so no rust anywhere.
3trigs : Intrigue sold to a lot of import buyers and since GM hasn't offered something comparable to replace Intrigue, those people who would have maybe bot another are going elsewhere. GM should have had another DOHC powered premium sedan in the pipe before canning Intrigue. I think the new Regal may do that, but it's another year away.
front end rattles are not always ISS.
I had the ISS lubed in my Impala which did nothing.
There is a front brake caliper shime kit that I found out about. Evidnetly the brake calipers get loose and rattle.
It was the first shim kit my dealer has ever installed and it did the trick. YAY.
I never did get the ratles in my Intrigue fixed.
Wish I had known about this shim kit 3 years ago.
b4z : Never had that front end rattle. I am very carfull coming in and out of driveways, speed bumps ect so maybe that had kept things quiet over the years.
Want me to go down and check on her for you? LOL.
it is pretty amazing to drive down the street and see literally a hundreds of X5's. A few days later there are roadsters, then 3 series cars.
On an Intrigue note, made a 1500 trip last week, mostly interstate driving at 73-78 mph. Averaged 28.3 mpg (3.5 with 3.05 axle). Had one short burst up to 100 mph on a two mile straight stretch of I-57 with only 1 other car in sight. My better half said "it sure doesn't seem like we're going 100 mph."
Front struts replaced with Delco Silver; I was trying to improve the ride (if that's possible). Helped a little. The Regatta's helped the ride significantly, though. Hopefully they'll last longer. My sister has had two sets on her Cougar. She was so happy with them (especially the snow traction in rear-wheel drive car) that she insisted on another set last Fall. She got around 60,000 out of the first set.
Just found out that the 3-series plant is being shut down on Monday due to strike at the German ZF transmission plant. Fortunately, mine is on the boat...
My rear end is a bit noisy at speeds of 25-50MPH now.. Dunno what it is yet, tires seem ok.
Other issue that is a bit troublesome is the oil consumption on my 3.5L.. Its up to about a quart every 5,0000km now and may be the deciding factor as to whether I keep it more than another year.
I'm not big on stigmas unless they are earned. Everyone in my age group called Olds old men cars and asked where my grey hair was buying it in my twenties. But it doesn't drive/float and have overboosted isolated steering like a LeSabre, Century, Malibu, or base Impala.
Especially one that has 75,000 miles on it.
I also suspect that is not get any worse either.
The piston rings on the northstar/shortstar
do not have tight tolerances.
They are designed for low friction and some oil is bound to get past.
My dealer told me that you can disassemble a northstar/shortstar at 100,000 miles and it will still have the crosshatch boring pattern on the cylinder walls.
3trigs... funny, you go through brake rotors like I go through tires... M3 was not really an option. And not just because of price... it's really a pretty extreme car. 330Ci is much more luxury oriented. I was amazed at the combination of superb ride, great handling, and quiet interior. How is it that BMW can build a car with these qualities, and others can't seem to duplicate? Can't be that hard to get one and reverse-engineer it? I would love to spend the same money on a domestic, but there just isn't anything out there that can do all this and also give you great resale value and classic styling to match. Cadillac CTS seems to have it all (especially with the new-tech V-6) but the styling simply leaves me cold. Interior design also looks very scattered, like it was designed by 5 different people and they never spoke until it all came together. Evidently, Lutz agrees since there is supposed to be a re-styled interior to go with the new engine. Exterior styling seems very faddish to me. Of course, could be that 10 years from now, we will look back and thank Caddy for a new "classic" look.
CTS is the only car that I have driven that drives like a BMW. Firm ride but not harsh, unlike the intrigue. LOL.
oldsman : No problem with a Caddy. I would love a CTS, they carry nothing.
3trigs : Good to hear from you again. My Intrigue is still running well. Did a LOT of highway this weekend and as we all know that's where the car shines. Beautiful!
b4z, every time I hit a small bump of patch in the road and it feels like the fillings in my teeth are going to come out, I start wondering how much better a CTS would take those bumps. I guess I'm getting the new car fever:) Funny thing is, the Intrigue will take larger bumps and dips in the road nearly as smooth as an older Caddy minus the wallowing.