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GM is light years ahead of Ford. Even the new ones are not impressive.
However, it does seem like there is a lot more to go wrong with GM.
Coming up on 15K and still no problems. Great truck and still feels like new.
So I guess they don't give you a new way to get it out of park if the power fails?
And the wheelbase is the same as the XL - 129".
I got mine at Lannan Chevrolet of Woburn, which is owned by the same people as Chevy of Lowell.
BigTos1,
Thanks for the info on the rebate. What i really need to know is when the Rebate began. Did it actually start on Memorial Day? If it did then I do not qualify. If they hyped it up a week or so before Memorial Day, then I may have another $500 coming to me and if I am entitled to it, I will do my best to try and get it. If anyone has any info on this, please psot back.
Thanks.
Todd
Happens with engine running or off,with transmission in park or in gear. (no lectures please about getting out of truck while in gear with brake engaged)Only the drivers door locks, luckily, not all.
At first I assumed I must accidently bump the manual lock opening the door, but now I doubt that.
Anyone else have this happen???
I posted a while ago that I also experience occassionally a failure of the rear window or gate to unlock with truck engaged in park. Had one or two confirms from others who had this happen, but not many. Wonder if the two are in anyway related.
twinrotts now you have me worried. I often stop and grab a newspaper, get out (paper box about about 5 ft away from the curb) and leave it with the engine running, but I do put it in Park. Guess I'd better not let the door latch. I have my locks programmed to just unlock the drivers door when I put it in Park so if the door locks itself, I'm stuck! It has never happened though in almost 18 months. Did you ever get the liftgate module replaced? Seems like there was an issue with that.The liftgate module receives the signal from the keyless entry remote and sends data down the serial bus to the BCM and to all the door modules. Or have you had the latest BCM Operating software update? It's all an integrated system.
It would be nice if GM applied some of the NVH improvements on the Buick Rainer to the other Triplets. Hell, mine listed for $38,000 and is no quieter than my wifes $14,000, '99 Cavalier. It's the biggest gripe I have with my Envoy. It was also bad in my Bravada.
GAM
Funny, that's what the guy at the AAMCO transmission shop calls them too. He also told me, "If you really want to spend a lot of time in transmission shops reading old magazines, buy an Exploder".
I am always looking for that "extra" out of my '02 Envoy SLE. My first improvement has been the Borla Dual Exhaust. Now I am considering intakes. Have to breath better on both ends. CGS, Volant, Airaid, K&N, and Air Max all make intakes. Some keep the resonator some lose it. Some have open elements with "heat shields" some have no air box/heat shields. Some have CARB approval some don't. Right now I am considering the Airaid Intake along with the throttle body spacer. Seems like the most HP, and torque for the money. And it keeps the resonator and is CARB approved. Anyone have any input on any of these intakes?
I had the K&N FIPK on my '96 Jimmy and loved it, but I don't think I want all the "noise" that comes along with loosing the resonator.
Thanks.
Do you know the details of the BCM updates???
Seems like my intermittent issue with the rear gate and window not unlocking with truck in park or with key fob might be related to the occasional lockout I'm now getting on the drivers door.
My DIC is programmed to unlock all with truck in park and so far at least I've been able to open one of the other passenger doors to gain entry.
It kind of is giving me a complex though like the truck is glad to see me leave and doesn't want me back.
Just like a teenage offspring... Nurture them from the time they're new born and out of the blue, they turn on you
I read in USA today about two weeks ago that new incentives were to come out in June and one of those was that GM employees could get "coupons" to share with family and friends that would effectively allow the holder to purchase a GM vehicle near employee cost. Does anyone know any details about this? What is employee cost -- a percentage of invoice or some other formula? Can it be coupled with the $3000 rebate as well? I have a contact who is a GM employee who I'll probably hit up for one of these coupons if it is to my advantage in buying new Yukon. I'm trying to find out if I should buy new or find a low mileage Yukon on the previously owned market with the proceeds from the Bravada. Can anyone provide some details on this program?
Thanks!
Theres the 3000 rebate.
I have 1500 in GM Card free money.
If I had to guess, I would estimate about 30K after all rebates and GM Card discounts. Currently, the dealer is telling me 32K.
What do you guys think?
No, other than it has been updated 3 times since my TB was built and I printed out the initial VCI page back in Feb '02. So it might be worth checking on since you have a body and accessory system control problem. Something must be going on to have 3 part numbers that supercede the original.
No Isuzu Diesel in GM products? Nothing new there. I don't think GM Powertaiin would be too concerned since DMAX Ltd. is in Moraine, Ohio.
"The Duramax engine family is the result of a joint venture (DMAX Ltd.) between GM and Isuzu Motors. GM's relationship with Isuzu began in 1971 and was strengthened in 1997 when GM announced that Isuzu would develop Diesel engines for GM. Because of Isuzu's expertise in commercial vehicles and Diesel engines, the company plays an important role in GM's global strategy. Isuzu is a world leader in Diesel engine design and development, and has produced more than 60 million Diesel engines in the past six decades."
Using an Isuzu designed I-6 Diesel would certainly save GM some catch-up time in technology putting a Diesel in a Trailblazer.
Here is what I paid in May '02:
Envoy XL SLT
Running Boards
Load Leveling Suspension
Bose
Sticker: 38,830
GMS Price: 35,890
Rebates: 2,310
Price: 33,580
Purchased at time of sale & not included in above:
Major Guard: 1,850
Protector "A": 700
Remote Start: 499
Chris
I think you are correct Hardhawk
Spent the evening dolling up the truck and after pulling into the garage to put it to bed for the night, I did notice that I slightly contacted the toggle while exiting. This is the first time I felt it but oddly enough I did this prior to reading the post
I twisted and jiggled it a bit and it illuminated.
I did the curious 5 yr old experimment "close the refrig door slowly to see if the light stays on" and indeed it turned off with the hood about 4" from full down.
I lifted the hood again and no light. I jiggled again and it lit. Lowered again and out it went.
Lifted the hood and no light.
My guess is a bad connection inside the light housing as it is a direct wired fixture with no disconnect visible.
Ok, so who else with an 02 did not know they have a light???
It is illegal for a Dealership to void your warranty simply because you have modifications to your vehicle. It is the Dealerships responsibility to prove that any modification was the reason for a failure. With that said, some Dealerships are more performance orientated and willing to work with customers. It would be our suggestion to consult with your local Dealership regarding their warranty specifics."
They go on to say " http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/faq.asp?faqID=21#21 " reguarding engine life... I know I saw a couple of dealers on the posts any input appreciated. Anyone have the K&N air intake installed and what was the result? also any other HP mod suggestions appreciated.
http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/product.asp?ProdID=1169
Ok, so who else with an 02 did not know they have a light???"
A light??? Heck, I didn't even know I had a hood!!
As to intake, exhaust, and computer mods being worth 50 h.p., I really doubt it. 20-25 maybe, and then only at high rpms. That's about what those mods were worth on a late model Camaro test I saw recently.
GAM
There are many things that can be done to beef up the 4L60-E, though. While you're wasting all that money on a supercharger, what's another grand?
Why not get a nitrous oxide kit instead? 1/10th the price! (Of course you still need the trany mods) Yeah it's not on all the time, but it doesn't need to be. You're only going to need this stuff for an occasional blast down the entrance ramp.
The biggest problem in making one of these things go fast is that you're creating a deathtrap. I'd want some seriously better handling to go with that performance.
*... prohibits a warrantor from requiring use of purchased parts from the same source as the original equipment or some other specified source . It allows use of aftermarket purchased parts from other sources."
They are talking about maintenance parts and materials like oil, filters, antifreeze etc., not alteration or modification parts that boost power to the breaking point.
You 2003 owners don't have to worry about the underhood light. GM deleted it for you.
I too had the water leak under the dash on the passenger side. I never would have found it, except for the fact that I have winter mats that screw down into the factory carpet. When I removed them, water came bubbling up. The rubber backing on the factory carpet did a great job at keeping the water hidden. My dealer found that a seam in the firewall was not welded properly. My Envoy XL SLT has a build date of 02/02. They said that there was about a 3 inch section of the seam that was missed by the welding machine. Needless to say, since it came form the factory that way, the water had been getting into the cabin for 9 months by the time I found it. They completely replaced all of the carpet in the truck - had to take all three rows of seats and the center console out to do it. The dealer did a great job, I was worried that you would be able to tell that the whole truck was in pieces. Everything still fits as well as it did when it came from the factory. I had the repair done about 6-8 weeks ago. I was washing the truck this weekend, and I took some trim molding off, so I could look under the carpet. Everything is dry, so the repair must have worked. We have had so much rain this spring, I would have expected to see water in there if the repair failed. Based on how mildewed my carpet was, its a miracle I didn't smell it. Insist on carpet replacement, if it is as mildewed as mine, they'll never get it completely clean.
Gravity really comes into play when there is an extra 30 lbs of snow and ice on the hood! The hood insulation can prevent the ice from melting off rapidly from engine heat and in some conditions not at all. For the truck that has everything I think some $20 dollar springs would be a good idea here.
after opening the hood, most of the time I have to thump the light for it to come on......LOL
So does mine!
It's a good thing you mentioned that ... ! ;-)
tidester, host
You 2003 owners don't have to worry about the underhood light. GM deleted it for you.
I write:
And Im sure glad they did...I immediately noticed the savings in my pocket. LOL!
I say: I put a Delphi unit in with FM modulator. It was installed where I bought it - Circuit City. I chose a mount that is an angled, cast metal piece (I think they charged me $20 or so for the bracket). It is installed by removing the fake wood trim on the center console and screwing it into one of the screw holes that mounts the radio. When the wood is popped back on, the angled bracket comes out along the edge of the fake wood. The cradle then attaches to the bracket. It looks great. The only slight complaint I have is that the unit sits a little low as the technician said that was where the screw holes were located so I had no choice. I don't have a digital camera but will take a picture and next time I get film developed I will post it for you. It's a very good looking installation.
I guess next time I'm in for the oil, I'll get it looked at.
Hey maybe they won't fix it in 3 tries, and I can do the lemon law thing!!!! What a strategy to move into the 8 cylinder