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he thought they would be available late summer or early fall. I've read they won't be available
until next spring.
Haven't seen the Bravada or Trailblazer yet though.
I made 7 calls to GM and nobody can give me details on the lease program or an estimated payment. Surely, someone in this country has leased this vehicle through GMAC?
As far as price, my local dealer has an Envoy, but he does not have a price for it, so he is useless.
However, I am working with an dealer about 100 miles away (near Asheville, NC) that sells it's vehicles for $98 over factory invoice all the time - even special orders. Try www.98over.com . They have been very friendly and helpful so far, and you don't have to play those 'what's my price' games. Their price for a loaded (2 WD, no sunroof) Envoy SLT is approximately $30,400 (window sticker is $33K+).
I hope this helps.
Powertrain: While the Envoy's engine had good power, it did not feel like
270hp more like 240. It was very smooth though. The tranny did not shift as seemlessly as I whould have thought The Explorer's V6 did a good job of moving it out, and the 5-speed auto shifted very smoothly. I would opt for the V8 though.
Suspension: The Envoy showed little body roll and the ride was firm but compliant. The Ford was much smoother and controled The independent rear susp. has done wonders
Interior: The Envoy's dash was atractive, liked the crome accents, but the fake wood looked, well, fake the interior felt more cramped than the Ford though. The Bose stereo sounded great but you can only get it on the SLT model The only ergonomic flaw saw was the switch for the 4 wheel drive. Its low on the dash and a little had to manipulate. The Ford's dash, while not as flashy was very clean looking. The ergnomics are perfect. I was concerned the gear shift would get in the way of the radio but it didn't The materials seemed to be of a higher quality also. The Explorer also has more cargo space than the Envoy
Styling: While both are atractive, the Envoy wins hands down here.
My pick? Have to go with the Explorer for more room?cargo, better ergonomics, opt V8 (I tow) and options like the infra-red reverse sensing system, (every SUV should have this) and the AdvanceTrac traction/stability system
I live in the Detroit metro area in Michigan if it helps any of you. If you live in the area and want to check out a GMC Envoy, call Jody Smith at 1-734-282-1010, at Southgate Pontiac/GMC, he sold me my Yukon XL, and tell him John M. with the Indigo Blue 3/4 ton Yukon XL sent you. Very good salesman!
The front passenger and rear seating is uncomfortable (to narrow in the footwell areas). The A-pillars create a huge blind-spot and the wind noise coming from them is the worst of any vehicle that I can recall. I did think that the driver seat was very comfortable and the controls are logical.
The Explorer is still missing several items that I could get on the Envoy (for less money). However, it's a pleasure to ride and drive. It's rear hatch, seating areas, and under floor storage is far superior to the Envoy.
I guess that I'll just keep my GM Card rebate for a few more years. I'll also order a 2002 Explorer when the V-8 and stability control is available. I hope that both vehicles do well, but the Envoy has to much against it for me to purchase.
I will admit, they are sharp!
Steve aka roderacer
I was under the assumption that GMC models were generally more expensive than the Chevy counterparts....
What's the deal??
RR
They are losing market share on a daily basis, but continue to puts prices on vehicles like they had a monopoly. It is greed pure and simple. They have priced these new vehicles the same as an acura MDX. I don't think there is a person on this board that thinks these SUV's have the quality of materials that acura uses.
This is one in just a long line of lost opportunities for the general.
Would be nice to have a center armrest in the rear and some cupholders, as in the Blazer.
kbdriver : I think the reason you feel the difference with the engine is because it's an I-6, not a V-6. Less off the line grunt, much like the DOHC engines.
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Just wondering where the Envoy is built. I know that the Bravada is built in Ohio. Not sure on the Envoy. Thanks.
All three models are "built" at Moraine Assembly, south of Dayton, OH. I believe the engine's are made in Flint Michigan.
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the explorer is a QUANTUM improvent on the previous edition, the ride is strong and solid. you actually feel like to wheels are in touch with the road when the path is less than smooth. the exterior styling is also much improved. the interior is spacious and comfy, but the dash is the typical dreary boring ford dash. michelins will help put the previous tire disaster to rest.
the bravado and envoys I drove rode identically. the dealers did not have the air ride in stock so I can not comment on those issues. the interior of the envoy is hands down the best of the bunch, the "simulated" wood grain is a disappointment but is tolerable.
the dose system, on star, and the other bells/whistles are superb. the sunroof is mediocre at best and considerably impinges on headroom
the engine and transmission on the gmcs can be summed up in one word. silk.
The correct spelling is: Bravada
It's a small thing, but if you are going to post at least spell the name correctly.
Here are my observations after seeing a black unit last night:
- drop dead gorgeous, I could not believe GM designed it.
- best interior and dash design GM ever built, proves they can do it if they try or fund it
- first GM vehicle that did not look like it was designed to be a rental
- way overpriced at $37K, when will GM take the Japanese approach and build it better for less. GM will continue to lose market share with poor marketing decisions backing good/great vehicles. Had they priced the top-of-the-line model at $34,900 it would be a steal after negotiations.
- rear seat room was poor and a huge dissapointment, mark my words that this will kill many sales.
Final thought: If GM would put the same quality interior in the Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban line it would double sales overnight.
Your posts will have more credibility with me if it is spelled correctly.
I am trying to get as many different opinions about these vehicles as I can. Obviously I would not give as much weight to the post that has the name of the vehicle spelled incorrectly.
Especially when the writer of said post didn't know that all bravadas come standard with air suspension.
So, if you use spell-check, be sure to actively select the spelling you want to use on every word flagged or it will do it for you with some really bizarre results.
Anybody care to share their approximate lease payment amount? I can get no information from GMAC or Smartlease. (They refer me to the dealer who is the one who told me to call them in the first place!!)
Please tell me I can lease an Envoy for approximately $400.00 per month. I love that Envoy, but I'll have to sleep in it if I come home with a $500.00 payment!
Thanks
Thanks!
RR
Congrats on your new Trailblazer and Bravada, respectively. I hope you both get the most from them! Maybe I can milk you for some more info before I commit to purchasing one of the new GM's....
RR