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Mazda MPV



  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    ......if letting the hard shift go for longer than you have to could cause any other damage to the tranny. It slamming into 3rd like that can't be doing it any good.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Posts: 461
    I believe that gear slam in a transmission is not go for the trans and will eventually do damage. It would also put a strain on the trans/engine mounts as well as the axle joints.
  • bigdadibigdadi Posts: 72
    Checked the snows 185/65R15 marked outside wall ...

    MAX LOAD RATING 560KG (1235LB), can't find any number re your "94", "92" rating.

    The tire manufacturer is Gislaved NORD * FROST
    on 5 spokes steel wheel size 6J x 15 x 43
  • tomj5tomj5 Posts: 209
    We had to make another (300 miles)trip to "Hell's Backdoor" today (only 95 today, better than 130 last year) and the MPV ran prefectly. The tranny was smooth as butter all the way. I am wondering why my MPV has no problems, here is some thoughts:
    1. last built car (April 03).
    2. Had a warranty call in September for EC lite. Dealer found a leaky recirculator (not gas cap)system and fixed. Plus he said that they updated both computers. I didn't question why. He said that the Vin # was on a list.. The Fondy Wi dealer (Holiday) has a super duper warranty deparment... I happened to remember there was some bumps when the tranny was cold before the updates. Since the service updates it has shifted smooth as butter for 2500 miles...
    3. I try not to make PeeVee mad and pamper it...
    Dang Fuzzy Logic, it thinks too much like us...
  • lsinclsinc Posts: 270
    Ok, I'm really confused. Yesterday as I was driving my MPV I noticed the stinky sulfer smell. It's been cold here in New England and I've been running the heat. I also noticed that my MPV isn't running as smoothly. My husband is going to take a look today and I'm going to call for an appt. for next week to have it looked at. I know some of you have experienced this and I was wondering what was found.

    Tom......Send some of that heat my way would ya please!! :)


  • bsvollerbsvoller Posts: 528
    Per the TireRack's Tire Tech section, a maximum load of 1235# translates to a load rating of "88", well below the "94" required by the MPV.

    Check out this page:

    The MPV's load rating translates to 1477# per tire. This is consistent with an axle gross weight limit of about 2700# (rear): 1477 x 2 = 2954 > 2700, in case the tires are running a little low on pressure. In other words, they've slightly overspec'd the tires to account for real-world driver's habits...

    Strangely, Mazda calls for a 94 load rating on the 15" rims, and 95 for 16" and 17" rims according to the door sticker. I haven't the foggiest idea why they raise the bar for the bigger rims.

    I've found even the 215/60R16's in a 95 load rating are rare. Most are only 92. When the OEM's wear out, I'm going to try 225/60's - they typically run a load rating of 97 because they hold more air (larger volume translates to more load capacity, all else held equal).

    Since the Ford Exploder fiasko, I've started to pay more attention to these things. Not that the MPV is in any way, shape or form comparable, but it pays to be informed.

    Hope this helps,

  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    Are the OEM 15" tires "H" rated like the 16's and 17's? If so, are you looking to stay with "H" rated replacement tires? We have the 16" H's on our LX and I hate them. The sidewalls are way too stiff and make for a very choppy ride. I know some folks in here have said they don't mind the ride of the H's, but personally, I can't wait until they wear out and I can install a nice set of all-season touring tires. I much prefer a nice, smooth, quiet ride over the higher performance, noisey, and harsh ride of the H's.
  • tomj5tomj5 Posts: 209
    Maybe the goofy government has messed with the gasoline again now that winter is coming??? Try adding some injector cleaner to the gas. You might have got some bad (Water) gas and got the injectors dirty...

    Like, we were in Mexico the other day and DW bought(no prescription required) some Ventlin inhalers for $2.25 each ($75 ea in US) because the US (Al Gore) thinks the the propellent is going to destroy the world....Grand Kid had her braces fixed in Mexico for $150 ($1000 US). Best Dentist(US Harvard trained) I have ever been to.. Lots of Americans leasing property and retiring in Mexico. They come here, we go there..
    Go figure.... If I was a Canadian, I would move to Mexico...

    Brrrrr, The temp has dropped to 72. Time to get the electric blankets out...
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    The FDA still permits the use of CFCs as an inhaler propellant and Ventolin uses both CFC and non-CFC propellants. I think you better look to the pharmaceutical companies for the price difference - follow the money, as they say.

    Boise is chilling down some and I'm sure we're getting ethanol (no MTBE I don't think) at the pump, or soon will be. I'd check for carbon build up on the throttle plate in addition to the injectors, Leslie.

    Next stop, Manzanillo!

    Steve, Host
  • pb17pb17 Posts: 33
    Anyone see the 2004 MPVs anywhere? Or any brochures? What's holding up the arrival of the new models? Dealers are very vague on when they'll arrive. Are they hoping to sell off the 2003 inventories before releasing the 2004s?
  • tomj5tomj5 Posts: 209
    Wait until after the first of the year to buy. First out cars are usually buggy.. Prices will start to settle down by then.

    Steve: The Govt is forcing the removal of CFC drug propellents off the market. They are being replaced with inhaled spring loaded powder despensers(goofy)that are hard to use.

    Leslie: Use Injector cleaner not the Octane booster stuff. One can per full tank...
    I'll bet the dealer will say "bad gas, your problem".
    Good Luck
  • bean3422bean3422 Posts: 183
    essentially the same as the 2003. Just some exterior and interior design modifications and a few minor mechanical modifications like adding rear-disc brakes.

    I doubt any of these changes will be buggy since disc brakes have been out for several years on the Japanese MPV.

    Now the dealers may not be dealing quite as well at first, but once consumers figure out that it is really the same-ol small van, they will have to deal in order to sell.

    Not to disparage the MPV, I love my 2002. But like most other automotive categories, US consumers still have the "bigger is better" mentality.

    I just hope that Mazda doesn't give in, and the next fully redone MPV (2006?) will still be smaller and more manuverable (and more stylish)than the rest. For me, if you take the small size, good handling, and stylish exterior away then there are a lot of competitors out there.

    The current MPV has very few competitors. Mazda needs to keep it's eyes off the Odyssey and Sienna sales numbers, and compare the MPV sales to short wheelbase GM vans, or Dodge Caravans. Those are it's true competitors.

    I am hoping that I will not be forces into a behemoth mammoth for my next minivan purchase.
  • robevtsrobevts Posts: 22
    I test drove two 2003 MPVs a few months ago, an ES and a LS. I remember one had a real bad sulfur smell. The saleslady said she could not notice it, as her nose was not working that day...yeah right. I liked the van ok, but it was a little small for our needs.
  • Mazda can solve our (current MPV owners) problems and theirs (desire to more aptly compete with Odysseys, Siennas, Dodge/Chryco Twins) by simply taking a page from Chrysler/GM and offering current wheelbase and a new extended wheelbase when they redo the MPV for 2006.
  • mbs7mbs7 Posts: 28
    So, we finally bought a 2003 MPV and drove it home from the dealership on Friday. Saturday morning I went out to the garage and the electrical system was completely dead. As if the car had no battery connected.

    I was able to start it by jumping it, but each time I stopped anywhere, it wouldn't start. Saturday afternoon I ended up having to call Mazda Roadside to come jump the car. My chincy jumper cables weren't working too well.

    Today I took the car back to the dealer where I purchased it and they ended up giving me a loaner car. They just called and said the alternator is bad and that it will be repaired tomorrow. I'm a patient guy, so I'm not too worried yet. I'm just hoping they really solve the problem.
  • bsvollerbsvoller Posts: 528
    -bottgers: We've got the H-rated 215/60R16's on our LX as well, and we like them, so no, I won't be downgrading the speed rating when we go to 225's. A 225/60R16 will have a slightly taller sidewall than a 215/60R16 anyway, so the ride may soften a bit, but hopefully not too much. We run our tires slightly overinflated (about 37-38psi instead of 35, which aids sidewall stiffness, of course) to improve handling. So far, the treadwear's been very even.

    I wouldn't call our ride "choppy"; it's about right. "Ride" has a lot to do with the predominant road conditions where you drive though - if it's pothole city where you drive, stiffer sidewalls might get annoying.

    To each his own - I'm really not a "soft ride" kind of guy. I was all over the old Sienna before I actually drove one - it rode like my grandfather's 1985 Cadillac DeVille or my fil's Roadmaster. Horrible. I hate that "floaty" steering-and-suspension-are-numb feeling. And give me a brake pedal that feels like it's actually connected to something, please, no pillow-pedal for me, thanks.

    I haven't driven the new Sienna because it's simply too big for my purposes, not to mention the price. It's a personal preference thing...

  • evaddaveevaddave Posts: 156
    Making the MPV longer is only part of the issue. Most of the other minivans out there are wider as well.

    I like the smaller size of our '00 MPV. With one kid, we really don't need a maxi-minivan. But on the (extremely) rare occasion, we need to put people in the back row, and getting back there is difficult with the current width. A little more room between/beside the second row seats would help that out a bunch.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    The smaller size of the MPV is one of its best features I think. I've found the big vans, like the GCS I own now, to be a little too big--hard to fit in the garage, constantly getting dinged up and scratched in parking lots. The MPV and the short wheelbase DC vans are just the right size for me, but the MPV currently has the major advantage of the fold-flat rear seat plus some other advantages like a better reliability record, the sliding middle seats, and the working windows in the rear doors.
  • tomj5tomj5 Posts: 209
    Yeah, that's the problem of buying a leftover "Lot Queen". The dealer knew it had problems but to save money he sells it and fixes it under warranty at no cost to himself.. SOP for the car business. I perfer factory fresh...(factory to me)

    The MPV too small: Geezz, anybody says that should get a school bus. It's funny to watch the Odys and Toys "waddle" down the road and try to find parking..
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Posts: 461
    That is a pretty big claim to make about a dealer if you weren't there. So the alternator is bad, it happens. I doubt the dealer knew about this problem, it doesn't make sense to have a new customer unhappy.

    Enjoy your new MPV.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    You must either have some pretty smooth roads there, or you don't mind a choppy ride. If I ran 37-38 psi in my tires, it would feel like my tires were made of stone.

    Like you, I also don't care for the sloppy, swashbuckling type of ride in any vehicle. However, I don't believe installing touring tires on the MPV would make it handle that much differently. I believe the way a vehicle handles is more a function of the suspension system, not the tires. However, the amount of feel that's transmitted to the passengers from short, choppy bumps such as pot holes, pavement seems, etc., is more a function of the tires rather than the suspension. The stiffer the sidewall, the more that's transmitted through the vehicle. I believe an MPV with touring tires would still outhandle any other minivan on the market because of its suspension. It may lose a bit of its of road hugging ability, but what it would gain in being able to smooth out those choppy bumps would be worth the sacrifice.
  • bsvollerbsvoller Posts: 528
    Our roads might be smoother than most, I don't know. There's hardly any water here, and winters are mild, so we don't get the severe freeze/thaw cycles that some places face, at least not in Denver proper.

    I think we're probably talking past each other a bit, too.

    "Choppy" to me sounds more like a bad suspension system - one that bounds around alot, like my old Plymouth Sundance did. I envision a small boat struggling through choppy waves. "Harsh", or "stiff" is how I'd term what you're describing. Stiffer sidewalls definately let you know that you just hit something, there's no denying that.

    Unless you drive hard, you won't notice the difference between sport tires and touring tires. We drive a lot of twisty mountain roads, and you can tell the difference there, even without pushing it much. For as big and as tall as it is, the MPV really turns a curve.

    With only 3000 miles on the odometer, we've got a while to think about it. I'm considering winter tires for next season, since the OEM's will be down a bit by then, and then replacement performance all-season's the following year.

    We'll see how it goes. I'll be interested in hearing what you decide to go with in a touring tire.

  • tccmn1tccmn1 Posts: 278
    Well, I dropped her off at the dealer for the TWO DAY fix of the tranny computer. That bulletin deal that was floating around here a while back. They say by fixing the computer I will have a smooth shift again....nice.
    When I asked general questions about how many of these had come through, the writer was vague but just said a lot are starting to come in now.
    They did give me a loaner to use for the two days. Again, my jerky shifting was between 1st and 2nd gears from a stop....about 25% of the time.
  • lsinclsinc Posts: 270
    Well, I think it may have been the gas. The smell is gone. Very strange! My MPV is running great but my husband wants it to go in for a check on the hard shift and the sulfer smell. I have to go pick up our hitch so I may make the appt. Argh! Won't happen today though, little one is home sick from school.
  • tomj5tomj5 Posts: 209
    Dealers know the details on each "Queen" they have on the lot and which ones to get rid of ASAP(make deals)and it is a pain to change batteries every morning. If they don't they are not going to be in business much longer..
    Always drive a "Lot Queen" around for 45+ minutes and let it sit at the lot then see how quick it starts. If it hesitates then forget it...

    As for customer relations, if you believe they care, you must have just got in town on the "Turnip Truck".. It's a Dog eat Dog world out there... Trust nobody...

    Mazda has a good warranty and they will fix it.
    So you will be ok.. You may want to take it to a different dealer for warranty work. It sounds like the dealer "jimmied" the Battery warning lite..
    TRUST Nobody.. "Assume the Worst and you will be right most of the time"
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    Right now I'm in the process of reading the tire reviews posted by consumers on the Tire Rack web site. There are so many to go through, it will probably be time to replace my OEM tires by the time I get done reading them all.
  • pb17pb17 Posts: 33
    Spoke to two dealers about seeing the 2004 MPV's. One said the end of November,maybe, and the other said January. Is Mazda delaying the shipments due to some problem with the vehicle? What's up?
  • mbs7mbs7 Posts: 28
    Well, it's not going too well with our new 2003 MPV. I was really happy with the sales department, but the service dept is lacking. I have now owned the van for 6.5 days and it has been out of commission for 6 of those days.

    I took the car into the shop on Monday. It turns out the battery was fine. So, they called me on Monday afternoon and said, "you have a bad alternator and we need to order the part." So, that cost me a whole day in the shop. I expected a call on Tuesday, but it never came. So, around 3pm on Tuesday I called them and they said it would be ready either in the late afternoon or in the morning. They called a short time later and said it would be ready Wednesday, which is today. Well, 2pm came and went and they hadn't called, so I called them and they admitted the alternator wasn't the problem. They replaced it and that didn't solve the problem. So, now they think there's a short circuit which is draining the battery. He said they've been going through "every circuit in the car" to find it and that they've been on the phone with Mazda about it. After chewing-out the shop foreman a little for not notifying me of the situation, he said he would call "first thing in the morning" to let me know the status.

    I've considered calling Mazda directly and logging a complaint with them, but I'm not sure that will help the shop do quality work. I don't want them to do a half-hearted job because I've complained about them. However, if tomorrow doesn't go any better than today, I probably will call Mazda. After that, I may think more seriously about contacting a Lemon Lawyer.

    I'm trying to be patient and am still hoping they can solve it without doing too much damage to the car :-) It seems likely that if they solve the problem, everything will be fine, but I can't help but stress over it.

  • just4fun2just4fun2 Posts: 461
    This dealer is guessing about what is wrong with your van. Go for the "Lemon" law if you can. If they do get it fixed, don't ever go back.
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Posts: 278
    Picked up my van after the dealer had it for two days. They said that Mazda Tech Corp. had no fix yet for the computer module...but are 'working on it'. They DID adjust the transmission range switch sensor-PO706 was the code that had to be cleared - and was. They called Mazda Technical Assistance center and the center stated it is 'normal' for some sweet! It did seem a little more smooth though. I am suppose to get a call or bulletin from the dealer or Mazda when the module fix comes out.

    As far as parts for this beast: new wiper inserts are $21 a PIECE! Air cleaner is 19.95; what a deal! I have not been able to find the inserts or air filter in any aftermarket store yet. The dealer stated they may NEVER get them!
    What a rip-off. This is getting to smell of a bad deal more than just that sulfur smell and I've only had the vehicle for 6 months.

    Oh yeah, the dealer said that the 2004's are just beginning to ship from Japan. See them in late December or January...yippee!
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