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  • ezaircon4jcezaircon4jc Member Posts: 793
    Now that I've put a few (130) miles on the Yokohama's, I feel somewhat confident to make a report. The AVS db's are EXTREMELY quiet. Up to 90 (didn't get any faster due to passenger seat whine) there was no noticeable road noise, on either concrete or asphalt. I was surprised that the 245/45/17 rode more smoothly than the 235/50/17 'Stones. Steering response is outstanding. Haven't had them in rain yet, so I'll wait for some to pass judgement on wet handling. I was a little concerned at first about the lower profile, but these tires are all their cracked up to be over at Tire Rack. Now, as with the Michelin's, the only issue is wear.

    Merry Christmas to all and Jesus IS the reason for the season!

    Mike
    LLSOC Charter Member
  • stanny1stanny1 Member Posts: 962
    Are these the Yokos with the wild tread pattern? Cost about 200 clams?
  • ezaircon4jcezaircon4jc Member Posts: 793
    The tread is kinda wild, especially for the LS. They have a deep "V" shaped groove in the middle, a wide "rain" channel on either side (all the way down to the wear bars!) and what looks like a "standard" directional shoulder tread. I paid $720 out the door at Discount. Their price was $10 a tire higher than Tire Rack, but after shipping and all the extras (tax, FET, etc.), Discount came a few bucks cheaper and I only had to wait a day. Their wear rating is 320, so I hope to get decent wear. So far these tires are impressive and the survey at Tire Rack is accurate.

    Mike
    LLSOC Member
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    Does anyone have knowledge of the quality of:

    17x8 OZ Racing F1 plus wheels?

    or OZ wheels in general?
  • emc3emc3 Member Posts: 39
    If I'm not mistaken, OZ wheels are used by some F1 Teams. I see them as equal to BBS. Haven't a clue about the specfic wheels you mention.
  • ronniepoohronniepooh Member Posts: 339
    I dont doubt the AVS are quality tires, but also feel it might not be a fair comparison to compare brand new tires of one brand to well-worn tires of another brand. Different tires take on different characteristics after a noticeable amount of wear. Some tires get louder with wear.

    Regarding OZ wheels, they've been around for awhile, and I've heard nothing but positive things about them. SOme of the best wheels on the market, though, are made by Fikse and HRE. Forged, lightweight, stronger than stock alloys, and super high quality. Also pretty expensive.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    BRAKE is what stops the car. BREAK is what happens to the rear window regulators and the seat heaters (just find out mine is out).
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    How about the CB-er's:
    Is it breaker-break,
    braker-brake,
    braker-break,
    breaker-brake?

    or DUH!
  • sunscoachsunscoach Member Posts: 1
    I am getting these error, the lights stay on, the radio, door and accessories work without the keys in the ignition. Has anyone experienced a similiar problem?
  • ronniepoohronniepooh Member Posts: 339
    We need more data to diagnose. If you turn off your car, and remove the key, the accessories will work UNTIL you open your door. Once you do that, power is cut. The radio will also turn off after 5 or 10 minutes even if you dont open the door. Regarding the lights staying on, are you referring to your headlights? If so, you may have your auto-delay feature on. Check your owners manual for details on my explanation.
  • dhdunndhdunn Member Posts: 51
    Yes, stuff will stay on AFTER you take the key out, and until you open the door (or your passenger in the front seat opens the door). But I have had my radio stay on even after the key is out and I have opened the door. It has happened only about 3 or 4 times, and I haven't been able to corrolate it with anything. The headlights are probably the auto shut-off, which actually works even if you aren't using the auto feather - at least I think so (my wife had left the lights on in my car, and I got in the next morning, saw the switch set to on, and thought "oy veh!!", but the car started right up, so I assumed that the lights went off automatically).

    Your salesperson at the dealership should have gone over everything with you, all of the features. If this car is new, and I suspect it is, consider going back to the dealership and gently demanding that a knowledgeable salesperson (and yes, I had an EXTREMELY knowledgeable salesperson, and she also admitted when she didn't know the 1 feature that was new to her...of course, she also tried to get me to wait to purchase this vehicle until the new colors came in so I could see them on the cars themselves - not your average "what can I do to get you in this car today" salesperson) go over all features with you.

    As for me, I have a Lincoln Towncar in my garage now as a loaner (replacing the cigarette smoked-out Focus) while my beloved LS waits for a brake booster that I think will come in the next 2 months... boohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    d
  • jnowskijnowski Member Posts: 96
    akirky - I'm with you!! I see the English language abused so badly in these forums that I also am tempted to make the occasional correction.

    gschwartz - About CB'ers. Since they are trying to BREAK into a conversation, it's breaker-break.

    :-)
  • dhdunndhdunn Member Posts: 51
    Pan jnowski, mozna bude lepsi jestli-ze budeme psat vsechno v nejaky Slovensky jazik? Gramatika je moc obtyznejssi, pak anglictina bude krasnejssi s celkem chybim!! :)

    d
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    Mark K.

    Does the 2002 model have the numerically lower overdrive ratio?
  • mkovalskmkovalsk Member Posts: 114
    Yes! The new (0.71:1) overdrive ratio is in production. It went in this past September, so the first two months of 2002 still had the 0.75:1 overdrive ratio.

    Mark
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Does the explorer keep the .75 or did it switch to the .71 also?
  • stanny1stanny1 Member Posts: 962
    Can you tell the Manual engineers that we, the Getrag drivers, are the ones that need a new, higher overdrive ratio? Now ALL the Auto owners can go to the 3:58 rear and still turn lower rpms than we Manual owners with the 3:07! Is this unfair or what?
  • jnowskijnowski Member Posts: 96
    Panie dhdunn, ja nie movie po Slovensku, morze pan movi po Polsku?

    The point is that many people can communicate in multiple languages. I for one spoke mostly Polish when I immigrated here in 1956. However I believe in the saying, "When in Rome.....", so I learned proper (American) English grammer and spelling.

    Nuff said.

    :-)
  • babyloubabylou Member Posts: 31
    "so I learned proper (American) English grammer and spelling."

    I believe you mean "grammar" not "grammer". No biggie except that you had a spelling error in a sentence where you mention you learned correct spelling. Gotcha! Busted by an emigrant, too. Or is that immigrant. LOL
  • jnowskijnowski Member Posts: 96
    Oops, you caught me!! So I make just one little 'ol mistake in my lifetime...... ;-)

    If you made your move before 1778, then you immigrated. If you made it after that date then you may have emigrated also.

    Cheers, and Happy Holidays!
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Yes, that's true, but it is also true than many people cannot! :-)

    We use only the English language in the Town Hall, folks. Thanks.

    Happy holidays to everyone!

    Pat
    Host
    Sedans Message Board
  • alphansteinalphanstein Member Posts: 95
    I have never been a fan of super or turbo chargers. They tend to not deliver the power throughout the power band, only delivering it in the sweet spot of when the engine needs that extra boost. I prefer the larger engine that gets the job done over the supercharger because of this reason. But of course, big blocks are no longer kosher in production automobiles. Too bad. I think the reason the Jag didn't feel as good off the line was due to the supercharger.
  • dhdunndhdunn Member Posts: 51
    jnowski!! How wonderful!! When I was most fluent in Czech (which, if you ask my Czech friends, is in itself a joke to hear me say that!!), I could understand about 50% of Polish.

    I apologize for the quasi-Czech message folks!! :)

    In any case, more power to you for correcting us native English speakers!! We not only need the correct language, but the humility as well. :)

    Happy Holidays in any language!!
    d
  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,193
    "jag - supercharger by alphanstein Dec 24, 2001 (10:12 am)
    I have never been a fan of super or turbo chargers. They tend to not deliver the power throughout the power band, only delivering it in the sweet spot of when the engine needs that extra boost. I prefer the larger engine that gets the job done over the supercharger because of this reason. But of course, big blocks are no longer kosher in production automobiles. Too bad. I think the reason the Jag didn't feel as good off the line was due to the supercharger. "

    My experience is admittedly with a GM product - but interesting and (perhaps) relevant because the displacement was 3.8L (pretty close to the Jag's 4.0 and the LS V8's 3.9) and I had it modified with a smaller SC drive pulley. This provided an instant (dyno verified) 15% increase in both TQ and HP.

    In any case - the 3.8 V6 SC was a terrific motor - smooth, quiet (except for the magnaflow enhanced exhaust) efficient (28 - 30 mpg at highway speeds over 75 mph) and excellent torque. In fact, when I took it to the drag races in Rockingham, NC, my biggest problem was overpowering the traction available through the 225 section tires. But it sure was a lot of fun to drive out in the real world! Acceleration ALWAYS felt good - at any speed!

    Cheers,
    - Ray
    Who still misses that BIG torque low in the rpm range - and would sign TODAY to buy an LS V8 Sport with a supercharger...
    2022 X3 M40i
  • babickababicka Member Posts: 60
    Checkout the wheels on the 2003LS photo. The mirrors look like they maybe folding style.

    http://thehollywoodextra.com/lincoln/lincoln.html
  • m87m87 Member Posts: 38
    The wheels look exactly like the 17" sport wheels on the Jaguar S Type.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    FWIW - that site has been roundly debunked all over the Town Hall as offering nothing more than Photoshopped pix born in the webmaster's imagination.

    I have no way to know if it is for real or not, but I did want to let you folks know what's being said in many other discussions here.

    Certainly YMMV.

    Pat
    Host
    Sedans Message Board
  • sjmurray2sjmurray2 Member Posts: 65
    I went to the a local dealer today in South Florida to look at LSs while my wife and daughter shopped. Surprisingly, the Dealer was closed for the holidays, but I just parked outside the perimeter and walked through a light barrier that prevents cars, but not people. Anyway, I'll get to the point, I was walking through the service area to find a new LS in for service with a broken rear window! I could not believe this car was left outside like this? Under cover it was, but still exposed to passerbys like myself? So strange this was to me! South Florida is not a place you leave anything unlocked!

    Question: Has this rear window regulator problem been solved? I would hate the thought of this happening to me when I go to purchase this January.

    Scott
  • reneleblancreneleblanc Member Posts: 144
    I didn't think the XJR felt SLOW off the line. It felt about the same as our LS-8 at the initial startup 0-10, and that isn't really bad. I just expected the extra 118 horse power to show up RIGHT AWAY. I suspect the XJR is geared higher, and it does weigh 4100 lbs (I recalled my neighbor telling me 4500, but I looked it up and it is 4100 lbs).

    Also, the XJR's traction control won't let it light up the rear tires unless it is turned off.

    I will hasten to say that when I mashed the accelerator at around 40 MPH, that car felt a lot more like my motorcycle than most cars do! Its too heavy for a wheelie, but it tried! At that speed, it can really mash you into your seat back!

    The XJR wheelbase is 113 inches, one inch less than the LS, but the overall car length is about 3" longer than the LS. It's odd that the trunk space is so short. Also, a LOT of trunk space is used up by the larger spare tire and the larger battery.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,641
    As I recall, the LS is 4600 lbs, more-or-less. If the Jag is 500 lbs lighter, has many more hp, and doesn't yield obviously superior acceleration, one's got to conclude that the final (rear-end) ratio yields superior fuel mileage. That wouldn't be really hard, but certainly isn't what the Jag is known for.

    Anyway, one's got to be puzzled.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • johnnylincjohnnylinc Member Posts: 308
    Steve,
    The LS brochures list the following curb weights for the '00 and '01 models: V6 auto--3593 lbs; V6 manual--3598 lbs; V8---3692 lbs. The '02 brochure says: V6 auto--3640 lbs; V6 manual--3603 lbs; V8--3729 lbs. Edmunds shows the '02 weights to be within 5 pounds of the brochure.

    I believe that curb weight means full of fuel and all fluids, but no passengers or cargo, so 4600 lbs would have to be with 3-4 passengers and a trunkful of luggage.
  • packv12packv12 Member Posts: 95
    I have enjoyed par-taking in this board for the last two years. I consider this board, along with the people that I've met here my present to myself! Thank You for the discussions, even if I didn't go along with them, they raised my awareness and introduced me to a new points of view!

    We even got our moderator to bad mouth something on our board, since she's no "hollywood extra"! Round of applause for Pat's great moderating of this board. She's sort of like the referees in football, they are only biased if they consistently rule against you. She's done an admirable job here.

    Merry Christmas to all on the board!
  • mkovalskmkovalsk Member Posts: 114
    The Explorer changed to 0.71:1 overdrive ratio, too. They changed about the same time as the LS.

    Mark
  • jnowskijnowski Member Posts: 96
    Based on my ownership of an '89 T-Bird SC, I have to agree with ray. The "boost lag" was almost non-existant due to the roots type supercharger used on the 3.8L SC motor. My biggest problem was getting initial traction off the line with that car in spite of the limited slip diffy and 225 section Gatorbacks. Inappropriate use of the loud pedal at take off produced clouds of smoke and slow initial acceleration.

    Now, turbochargers are a completely different animal, and can cause an engine to be weak until boost pressure builds up. Although this is not always true as the Chrysler/Shelby team came up with a variable vane geometry turbo which produced boost (and mounds of torque) virtually from idle speed.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Thanks packv12.

    Merry Christmas everyone - you know, to me it doesn't much matter what you call this time of year as long as we're able to take some time to appreciate our relationships and express our good wishes and caring towards all. After all, most of us have a lot more common ground than we sometimes realize - this time of year sets aside special time to reflect on these kinds of things. At least it does for me, anyway.

    Happy holidays!

    Pat
    Host
    Sedans Message Board
  • slunarslunar Member Posts: 479
    Mark, have the rear end ratios changed now that the OD is .71? Or was the OD ratio changed mainly to get a greater difference between 1st & 2nd gears?
    Also, Mark have you driven a .71 OD LS & if so how noticable is the change in the ratio of 2nd gear?
  • reneleblancreneleblanc Member Posts: 144
    Thank you Pat HOST, for reminding us. Yes, Merry Christmas (or holiday of your choice) to all!

    I also wish everyone a much better year in 2002, and also, I wish Lincoln a banner year in 2002.
  • mkovalskmkovalsk Member Posts: 114
    The rear end ratios have not changed.

    I have driven several cars with the new ratio. We had 'em for a couple years! There is a noticible improvement in the 1-2, 2-3 spacing. But also remember I'm hyper-sensitive to these changes.

    The #1 reason for the change was to reduce RPM at highway speeds for improved fuel economy.

    And to head off a future question ;), no, I do not think it is practicle to update a car with the 0.75 ratio to the new ratio. The 2002 calibration will not work in the 2001 cars, and running a new ratio with the old calibration would shift awful!

    Mark
  • markls8markls8 Member Posts: 42
    Q1: What car is rated by a national government agency as "one of the six safest vehicles of all time"?
    Q2: What sedan that you or I could afford to own has a suspension similar in design and construction to that of a Formula 1 race car?
    Q3: What vehicle prompted Consumer's Reports to call it "The best American sedan we've ever tested"?
    Q4: What car allows its purchasers (and others) direct communication with engineers and top executives who are involved in its design, development, marketing and ongoing improvement (and they listen)?
    Q5: What car has a rudimentary characteristic about it that ALL automotive manufacturers have been striving for for decades, but in virtually all cases have failed to achieve (that is near-ideal front/rear weight distribution)?
    Q6: What car makes extensive use of aluminum in body, chassis and drivetrain to improve safety, reliability, performance, handling and environmental impact?
    Q7: What car has a high-compression DOHC V8, 5-speed "automanual" transmission with a RWD platform which won Motor Trend's Car of the Year Award twice in three years and costs CDN$ 17,000 (as at March 2000; my purchase date) less than any other similarly-equiped vehicle?
    Q8: What car is also rated "low emissions" by the EPA ?
    One or two of the above-mentioned features would make a great car...
    Q9: Is it possible to get all these features, and more, in ONE SINGLE CAR??? Can it be so??? (How esoteric can this be?) ...You betcha!

    As the old saying goes ... "LS is more".

    gkarg- I've been looking for a copy of that R&T LS mini magazine for quite some time with no success. R&T's website was a dead end for me. As I recall there was a phantom view of the vehicle and engine which I was particularly interested in. A friend showed it to me before I was shopping for a car and I returned it to him. By the time I was shopping and I asked him for it he had thrown it out! I'd really like to get a copy of that article.
    So ls1bmw0 (Brian)- If you can get copies or reprints I'm in for one.
    Happy Holidays and best regards to all.
    -Brian.
  • stanny1stanny1 Member Posts: 962
    Does the new T-Bird have the new ratio? This car has a 3:58 rear end ratio. Is this because at the low production volume, fuel mileage (CAFE) is not so much a concern? Thanks and Happy Holidays - Stan
  • mkovalskmkovalsk Member Posts: 114
    The T-Bird has the 0.71 ratio, too. The 0.75 ratio is out of production, except on the 5R55E used in the Explorer Sport and Sport Trac.

    I don't know why the T-Bird does use the 3.58:1 axle. I wasn't part of the decision making on that car. Your guess sounds close to me.

    Mark
  • drolds1drolds1 Member Posts: 247
    And let's not forget: which line of cars was named most dependable American brand by J.D. Powers?
  • ls1bmw0ls1bmw0 Member Posts: 782
    Okay gang!

    I've uploaded the Wixom tour video that was shown on the Ford Corporate Network. It is a VERY large file (40mb) since I uploaded a high-quality version so if you have a high-speed connection (DSL or cabl) expect the download to take about 15 minutes. If you have a 56k dial-up it will probably take an hour or more.

    It is in Windows Media Player format only. Even though the player will start playing the video, best results will be if you put the player on pause until it downloads the full video. The length of the video is 3:10 minutes. The link is on the LLSOC main page at www.llsoc.com under Club/LS News.

    Enjoy.

    Oh, and no making fun of the fat guy! =:oO)<
    Brian ;)
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    The LS didn't win MT COTY twice - it was only eligible the first time back in late 99. It won't be in the running again until next year when the 2003 comes out with numerous changes. Only new or significantly changed vehicles are eligible.
  • ezaircon4jcezaircon4jc Member Posts: 793
    It was Motorweek's Driver's Choice winner two years running as best luxury car. That's rare for them!
  • johnnylincjohnnylinc Member Posts: 308
    Markls8 said: "...with a RWD platform which won Motor Trend's Car of the Year Award twice in three years". Since the Thunderbird won the 2002 Motor Trend COTY award, the statement is accurate.
  • mweinstein2mweinstein2 Member Posts: 16
    Looking to lease a V8 with Premium package and heated seats. Was hoping if someone could share what they are leasing this for??

    Looking for 3 year, 15k a year

    Thank You!!
  • markls8markls8 Member Posts: 42
    drolds1 & ezaircon4jc - yes, these are both significant achievements and should have been included - I was remiss on both accounts. (Although I was previously unaware of Motorweek's two consecutive laurels.) Thanks. - Brian.
  • stanny1stanny1 Member Posts: 962
    Great Video! It only took me 7 seconds to load and than it played for 3 minutes or so. Ahh - cable modems...
  • karzzkarzz Member Posts: 151
    Here's a link to a drawing of what is reportedly the Continental concept to debut shortly at the LA Auto Show:


    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=4469

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