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Thanks for the input. I have seen the Ascender and its not a bad looking truck, but if its a re-badged GMC seems like it would be easier to get service and warranty from GMC than Isuzu. Dealers are few and far between these days.Not sure if I am willing to roll the dice on Isuzu. I have owned them since '89 and they have always been great. Have to think about this, Thanks
I still have my '00 Trooper LS and my step-daughter has a 2002 Rodeo, so we are still invested in them for warranty work (both have the 120,000 mi power train warranty). There are still the same 2 dealers in Memphis, so maybe we will be able to get work if we need it.
I'm hoping to keep the Trooper going for a couple more years. If I have to replace it right now, I would be tempted to replace with a Yukon/Tahoe type vehicle to keep the interior space.
Bill
-mike
Anyway, I think the "Hover" looks real good.
Reuters
Steve, Host
"May 13--Another automotive entrepreneur plans to import Chinese cars to the United States.
David Shelburg, whose background includes work for Toledo, Ohio-based Jeep, expects to begin selling cars and trucks made by Chinese automakers Geeley, Baoding Great Wall Automobile Holding Company Ltd. and Zhongxing Automobile Company Ltd. , as early as December.... The lineup is expected to include the Geeley Solo, a small, well-equipped sedan that will sell for $6,995 and include air, power steering, dual air bags and other standard equipment; a pickup truck called the Admiral ; a sports utility vehicle called the Hover ; and a car called the Alto that initially will be sold in Mexico ."
I guess the Axiom will return from the dead!
Saw a few pictures of the Hover/Axiom. It looks like it stands taller than the Axiom. I wonder if they did away with the not so intelligent suspension control?
However, on the issue of looks, I often get confused at first glance, with the Lexus 470. The Lexus is almost a carbon copy of the Isuzu, except with a higher stance, different grill.
A couple months ago, I took my car to my Isuzu dealer, Sullivan Watts Mazda Isuzu of Ocala, FL, for some minor maintenance work including an oil change and lube job. I normally do the oil changes myself, but could not get the oil drain plug to come loose, as the last techie had overtorqued it, so I had no choice but to take it somewhere. No one else has worked on my car since and it is garage kept in a quiet neighborhood.
I went to change the oil today and was shocked out of my mind to find all of the undercarriage protective plates missing. I recall a large plate that protected the oil pan and filter area, and perhaps one that covered the transmission area, too? In any case, these protective plates have to come off to do the oil change and service work, and the vehicle has not been serviced since my visit to the dealer, as I wanted to again do the work myself.
The dealership's tech would have to remove any protective plates to work on the car and to change the oil or to service the tranny. This is the only explanation I have for missing parts from underneath my vehicle, as they were there when I went to the dealer and are missing now.
I need your help: I need to know on a 2002 Axiom how many protective plates are normally installed on my vehicle. I remember at least one that covered the oil filter/pan area and was installed with mulitple bolts/nuts. Is there also a 2nd one that covers the tranny? Please help if you can. If you have the service manual and can give me part numbers, etc. this would be helpful, as there are no protective plates under my vehicle anymore and I need to know what should be there.
Also, I could use suggestions on how to resolve this problem: I have contacted the dealer already, but my hopes are not high on them now. Should I report this to the local police, too?
My email is jprager@cox.net if you have diagrams you can scan/email to me that show the plates that used to be there. This is a real bummer. Thanks in advance for your help.
The moral to this story is that you now have to super-scrutinize the service work of your local dealer. Did they throw my parts away or were they sold on Ebay? I will never know now. Even if this was a simple error, they should have called me to let me know to come back... Whatever happened to good service??
Great job from that dealership! I don't know how much this part costs - but I would imagine it's at least $60 and the bolts are probably $6 for the set. Needless to say, I am one torqued off customer.
Just for the record, paisan, I've never ripped Isuzu. I did rip (loosely speaking!) used car salesmen on one occasion though! I have no bias either for or against Isuzu or any other manufacturer.
Now, if I recall, the topic is Isuzu Axiom!
Happy New Year all!
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Thanks for any help you can provide.
-Jake
Any insight would be appreciated.
Dennis P.
I have a white '02 Axiom with 38K miles and really love it! I've been reading and learning great stuff on this list since I bought the car, but now have a question for you good folks. Is the TOD system designed to be left on all the time, as a safety feature? Is there a downside to using it that way? I live in Maryland, and so deal with snow and ice at times, as well as the possibility of (unintentional) off-roading :-)
If you push the cd button nothing happens, samething if you try and eject the cd holder, nothing. It is as if the cd player has no power what so ever. Has anyone had this problem? any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis P.
Also it is a 2002 Axiom with 22K miles.
I posted back in this group about how bad the original tires were. I replaced them with Yokohamas, it's something everyone should do.
That said, I figured to just let people in on what's happened so far.
Some bit ago, I took off for work and the transmission shifted into 2nd and 3rd REALLY REALLY hard. I mean, SLAMMED into gear. After a few miles of this, I took it home and drove wife's car to work. My Ax needed a new Tranny after 200 miles so I've been running a remanufactured one since new. After coming home that night, I took it out again and the problem went away. Hmm.
For the past few months, if I turn to the right, the gas gauge goes to empty, the empty light comes on and flashes. Even when the tank is full. The "check engine" light comes on. A few days later, the check engine light goes off, the gauge works right and for a bit, everything is fine. The cycle repeats again a few weeks later. On off, on off. There's certainly a computer issue going on here but I'm going to wait till the stupid thing won't move.
At this point I kinda wish some angry French kid would just torch the thing. I've never been really happy with the suspension, but it still seems to be about the same as it always was, punishing for every little nick in the road.
I'm due for new tires again, the Yokos are down to the wear bars for the most part in the front, could prolly rotate the rears forward and get 40k out of them instead of the current 35k. They're a bit shaky now, but shrug, it's expected on older tires.
In a do-over, I wouldn't buy this vehicle again. City mileage sucks, highway is ok. I don't hate the thing, but I suspect something else would have been better overall.
-Mal
>>>Has anyone had this problem?
I didn't have that problem, but did just have my CD player replaced because CDs were skipping. If you've got only 22K miles, is it still under the bumper-to-bumper warranty? If so, Isuzu should make good on it.
Dennis P.
Before that episode, my local dealership diagnosed an engine stalling problem as a bad Engine Harness (wiring harness???) and estimated the cost of repair at $1100, or $1600 if I wanted to replace the airflow meter (air flow sensor???) as well, as the airflow meter was the code given by the diagnostic computer, but they felt like that was being generated by the engine harness. I did not repair the car, and for a while did not have any trouble. Could the reduced power light be related to the engine harness, or does that sound like more of a mechanical/fuel system problem than an electrical problem? I would appreciate any input on this. Thanks! :confuse:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-isuzu-axiom-am-fm-reciver-with-remote-cd-changer_W0QQc- mdZViewItemQQcategoryZ38644QQitemZ8015959185QQrdZ1
Anyone have any thoughts.
-- Jim
Dennis P.
Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks
JW
They admitted to no errors, of course, but coincidentally had an extra used Axiom or Rodeo metal undercarriage plate on hand and installed it and replaced the missing bolts.
So, this one had a semi-happy ending. I have my plate back, and I realize I should never go to such a careless dealership again!
The moral of this story is to check your car over carefully after every visit to the shop, even for minor tasks like oil changes. I would never expect a tech to not replace a $70 metal plate, or to be removing them at random. But what else explains my missing plate from 4 months prior, and the extra used one they just happened to have on hand?? Owners Beware!
I was also noticing that the automatic tranny shifted noticeably between gears.
But, the gear shifting grew more noticable by 49K miles and I was convinced that even though this vehicle has a sealed tranny that allegedly needs no service until 100K, that a fluid and filter change might be in order. I contacted a local dealership who recommended a filter/fluid change at 50K.
Coincidentally, while going to Disneyworld November 12th, the transmission started slipping badly and shuddering when engaging in gear. Very, very scary and we were not even sure if we would even make it back to our home some 100 miles away...
However, the slipping and shuddering went away and we made it home OK that night, but I was highly worried about the car. The next day, when I started the car again and put it in drive, it started slipping again and shuddering. It was Sunday,so I immediately drove it to the dealership and left it, while I could still get it there.
Now, the interesting part... The tech calls me first thing in the morning and without looking at the vehice yet tells me it is the seal for the modulator shaft on the side of the transmission. He works for a GM/Isuzu dealership and has seen this many times. They even had the seal in stock! So, they replace the seal, filter and fill up the tranny with new fluid. The seal repair was covered by warranty and the car was returned by the end of the day. Excellent.
Now, my Ax drives like it did when I first bought it. Nice and smooth and I cannot even tell when it shifts gears. The tech told me that the modulator seal goes out frequently on these Axioms and that's how he was able to diagnose it from my write-up comments on the dropoff form - he's had to fix several of them.
It is my understanding that the 2002 Axiom has a Borg Warner tranny, which is actually quite rugged. Somewhere in this forum is the model of tranny, too. My posting is just to alert Axiom owners that there may be a high probability of failure of this modulator seal. That it is a very good idea to change the filter/gasket/fluid at 40 or 50K miles and have your dealer check this seal for leakage. Also, be aware that this seal can "blow out" suddenly with little warning. It might even be a good idea to buy a seal and tranny gasket and filter and carry it with you in case you are somewhere away from a dealership when this problem occurs. It is apparently not a difficult repair.
I would welcome comments from others on Axiom tranny issues. I was surprised to have a problem so early in the life of this vehicle, which seems otherwise very rugged.
BTW, I still have a subtle thunk when stopping that remains unresolved. It feels like a 2-1 downshift when braking to a stop. It seems to have lessened a lot since the seal repair but remains as a nagging concern. Is this a drive shaft, tranny or rear brake shoe issue? Does anyone have any ideas? Is it just an Isuzu idiosyncacy?
I hope this posting, long though it is, is helpful to other Axiom and Trooper owners with transmission problems.
Thanks
Dennis P.
The first Tranny lasted 200 miles. I have a 40 mile one-way commute. After 2 days, the tranny light was flashing. Dealer replaced it.
It has NEVER since the refurb shifted how I think it should. It either flared from 2nd to 3rd or did a slow slip. Prolly gonna wipe out the bands at some point, but it still moves and isn't my problem until I get another 60k miles on it.
After renting a Maxima for a weekend when the [non-permissible content removed] was in the shop , there's no doubt my ax is a piece of crap. The ride sucks, the tranny sucks and the back end bounces too much. If I didn't live in snow country that requires a 4x4, I would dump this piece of junk. That said, I still owe about 9k on it and it's worth that or less. The engine will likely last 200k miles and I fully expect a 3500 dollar tranny repair at about 135k miles.
My advice, if you've got one of these things, bail out now and foist the problem on someone else. My wife can't understand this and simply thinks I just don't like cars over 2 years old and dumping this piece of crap isn't an option.
-Mal
If I recall correctly, the transmission in late model isuzus are actually from General Motors - the 4L30-E. It is apparently not too bad of a transmission. It is used in late model BMWs and a few other vehicles.
There are some TSBs on the transmission in the Axiom specifically though, including the leak mentioned.
http://www.alldata.com/TSB/29/02295039.html
Your sending unit in the tank is shot. Mine was covered under warranty.
-Mal
I am assuming you were in the window of 3/50 warranty?
-- Jim
They hosed me on the range selection switch which caused bad shifts, but honored it on the tank problem.
Get it fixed straight away, it's covered.
Anyway, the next day the idle got rough and the following day it started to stall while idling in neutral or park and the CEL finally came on.
I did not go to get the code read but did set up an appointment with the dealer to have it checked out. I am almost positive the gasket is the problem.
Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance.