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if not, i'd probably just get a better quality after-market unit if the dash would accomodate it.
you want to take it out on the highway after filling it and go for several hundred km at nearly constant speed, then stop for a fill and divide distance driven based on the odometer into gallons (sorry liters) pumped...don't rely on some on board computer.
now then, if the fuel economy you obtain is really off the mark after you've checked all the above, then i suppose i would probably suspect (in no particular order):
a). stuck injector or injectors
b). bad O2 sensor or sensors
c). defective catalytic convertor
the above three resulting in running overly rich and/or with poor combustion and exhaust efficiency. your engine is basically an air pump.
d). vehicle timing is off because of timing chain
this could negatively impact combustion efficiency and proper power output
e). something else like a defective ECU (engine control unit) integrating the sensing of the O2 sensors, mass air flow sensors, temp sensors, commanding the transmission control unit, etc.
f). maybe an alternator or power steering pump or air conditioning clutch which spins poorly.
good luck.
It isn't a very appealing feature. As stated above it sounds like the left speaker just "drops out". The so-called digital AM/FM doesn't sound better than a standard radio. As far as an aftermarket unit . . . according to a popular online aftermarket car accessory site, you'd have to "fabricate" your own mounting bracket. Hopefully later in '07 they'll have something. I'll be swapping mine out.
Repair should take less than an hour.
I have the 3.3 Liter Limited and am having this problem. Part should be at the dealer tomorrow.
This is the only problem I have had.
Have no complaints with gas mileage.
If my math is correct, your average is 8 kilometers (exactly equal to 5 miles) per litre. To put that in Canadian terms, your average is 5 times 4.2 equals 21 miles per gallon. In U.S. numbers, your average is about 19 miles per gallon. I believe these figures are close to the company's numbers. How do you drive. Are you "quick of the mark". What speed do you drive when you are on the highway. Both of these factors can have a significant effect on your "mileage" or "metreage" as we say in Canada.
Having said all this, as has been suggested, I too would have the vehicle checked but don't be dissappointed if there is little they can do. Would another mile or two per gallon (or one litre less per hundred kilometres)make you happy.
thanks
-aaron
Note: I have one of the cycling code type openers so I do have to hold the button down for a second or two until the door begins to open/close.
JCS
I just had my keys re-programmed by the dealer after one of the keys didn’t start the car. At first I thought something serious, but then I thought I will try with the other key and it worked. It took about an hour to have the car back, after I hand it over to the dealer. Thankful it’s just a stupid and simple malfunction.
Anyway, on to the minor problems, which I'm collecting before I take my car in.
1) The left rear door does not close properly. I don't think it's an air compression issue, as the other doors close with no problem. My husband thought I was just not slamming it hard enough, but he has the same issue as I do now. I will ask to have the door adjusted.
2) The driver visor does not stay in place. That is, I can adjust it to only certain positions. The passenger visor works better. My Outback had much better visors.
3) On my first tank of gas I got 16 mpg (both manually calculated and based on the car's computer). Admittedly, we live in a hilly area and I do probably 80% city driving, but I'm still disappointed that I'm not getting closer to the EPA of 19 for city. I'll see what I get after a while, but it seems others are reporting better numbers right off the bat.
I'm glad we went to a car show and sat in many different cars in the same class, as I would never have considered a Hyundai otherwise. We had strongly considered a Highlander Hybrid, but it was too uncomfortable in the third row and just not as stylish overall.
I saw your photo album with your Santa Fe on the desert dunes. Also saw your F1 pictures. Cool! Looks like you're from the middle east. Where exactly?
One of the dealership's sales representatives claimed it had a timing chain and did not have to be replaced like timing belts.
View the online shop manuals at hyundai webtech for more details.
http://www.hmaservice.com
Thank you for the input and website
ppb
20070206.2.173400
I FORGOT TO ASK IF THE TIMING CHAIN HAS TO BE REPLACED LIKE A TIMING BELT OR WAS THE SALESMAN CORRECT WHEN HE SAID THAT UNLIKE THE TIMING BELT WHICH HAD TO BE REPLACED AT 60,000 MILES, THE TIMING CHAIN 'NEVER' HAS TO BE REPLACED.
YOUR INPUT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANKS.
PPB
20070206.2.181900
Anthony
it suddenly take longer to start, ( battery is still good)
is that just because cold weather?
It has problem when it is cold even the the engine is warm.
after driving for 1 hour, the engine is fully warmed up. but it is still hard to start after 20 minutes parking
hope the dealer could find out , but when I called they just said it is normal ( which I do not think so for a 18-month old car)
with GLS 3.5L AWD Santa fe,( 11K miles on it ) I only get around 12 in city and 15 on highway, so pathetic!
also hard to start the car in this winter although it was fine last winter.( extended to 4-5 second with a very rough start after lengthy cranking.) the dealer said " that is normal "
this is a 16-month new car for me , now , I am pathetic!
well, this is Hyundai santa fe , a smoking tank! ( it always smokes from muffler, but is not as strong as a tank)
What was the MPG rating on your 3.5 AWD when new?
I intentionally bought the 2.7 FWD to avoid MPG as best as I could in a vehicle of this size.
even that is not easy to reach
If I am not mistaken the 10/100000 applies to the power train....ie: what in the world would an oil filter have to do with say a transmission going belly up????
Your dealer sounds like he is using a scare tactic...but do use caution here! Ask the dealer if they ever heard of the act!!!!
Of course, they have lots more $$ than we have and the use of a non conforming part is definately asking for trouble. From what I have been told, currently only The dealerships have the filters for the 07 sante fe's.
I would call Hyundai and ask them directly just to see where you/they stand.
Personally, I am going to let the dealer do my changes on the 07 SF anyway...those quick lube places can be dangerous to the health of your auto!
You could also purchase some genuine filters and have the oil changed by a third party if you wish....ALWAYS GET PROPER DOCUMENTATION of the work done TO PROTECT YOURSELF!!!! just my 5cents!
Keep DETAILED records of how many miles, date changed, specs on the oil used, specs on the filter used and clearly state the drain plug gasket was changed.
NOTE
For best performance and maximum protection of all types of operation, select only those lubricants which:
Satisfy the requirements of the API classification.
Have the proper SAE grade number for expected ambient temperature range.
Lubricants which do not have both an SAE grade number and an API service classification on the container should not be used.
IMO Hyundai may look for a flaw in your maintenance schedule to back out of a warranty claim. For the amount of effort on your part to make sure you comply with there schedule of service and verifying the third party ONLY uses acceptable replacement parts, oils and adheres to specific torque specifications on the drain plug its not worth the trouble. My dealer is less than 5 miles from the house and they charge about the same amount of money for an oil change so I let them do it. If your dealer is not close and they charge quite a bit more, than you may want to consider a third party. If I have not scared the crap out of you yet, provide me with the engine model and I will give you the part numbers and specs out of the shop manuals from Hyundais webtech site. You may also want to look it up yourself. Just follow the link below. For more info on the Webtech site you can visit another Carspace site dedicated to the shop manuals. Good luck.
http://www.hmaservice.com
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f103a31.f1035d3/41
However the 2006 has already been to the shop 4 times now for the same problem! It only has 4,200 miles on it and I have owned it now for going on 8 months. The problem is that the lumbar support intermittently collapses. I know it's not an engine bursting into flames but it's still an option that does not work.
Round 1 at the dealership ended up with them stuffing some extra padding in between the lumbar bar and the seat cushion. What a high-tech fix! Seriously, does anyone else see this as "Jerry-rigging"? Ironically the lead mechanic at the shop's name is Jerry too.
Round 2 they looked at it. They decided to order all new innards this time for the seat back.
Round 3 they replaced the seat innards to no avail.
Round 4 they used their super-sensitive X-ray to look it over again. They couldn't find anything that looked out of wack and couldn't duplicate the problem. So they pretty much shoved it back on me and said tough luck.
They wanted me to leave the vehicle with them so one of their guys could drive it for a few days to try to replicate the problem. He lives about 25-30 miles from the dealership so he would only be putting 200-300 miles on it just to substantiate my claim. What a joke! It's funny how the dealership penalizes me for my mileage when I go to trade but they don't seem to mind racking up the mileage at my expense. If someone goes to a Cardiologist complaining of sharp chest pains a couple hours earlier, they expect immediate action. They surely wouldn't expect the physician to put them on a treadmill to try to duplicate the problem if the pains subsided. Obviously they don't believe me that it is still not fixed.
The dealership contact the Hyundai District Manager and he pretty much backed their lame stance.
I contacted Hyundai Customer Service and asked to speak with a manager. To no surprise he backed it too. He said that "unless we can duplicate the problem, the vehicle is operating as designed". So does this mean that the vehicle is designed to fail?
Within my immediate family and counting myself, we have owned 7 Hyundai vehicles in 5 years. We came from Honda and NEVER had a problem in the 10 owned across 20 years. My 1990 Accord had 305k miles on it and still ran fine without ever having a problem before I finally let it go for the 2005 Elantra. Once my parent's 2002 Odyssey had a rare quirk with the A/C and Honda brought in a group of Engineers from the factory to address the issue. Instead my Hyundai dealership calls in the big guns, Don's Trims. WHAT A JOKE!!!!
The bottom line is that Hyundai may claim to have the best warranty in the business but they won't back it up. It's just words! They also claim to value customer loyalty but this is just a ploy too. The suffer from paranoia and practice the art of deception. They question me trying to duplicate the problem in a claim I make while their CEO was indicted for deception. Anybody heard of Enron?
:lemon: :sick:
Hyundai isn't the only company that won't acknowlede design defects...Honda & Toyota both take a hard stance today. Mass production/high volume/cheaper materials is resulting in cars that are ruining the hard earned reliability reputations.
The problem free, 300k+ mile Honda & Toyotas of the past don't exist anymore. The new Camry/Avalon has several transmission & 4 cyl hesitation defects. Honda had high V6 transmission failures (maybe fixed since '05), droning defects, brake shuddering issues, fit/finish squeaks/rattles, & wheel vibrations (Pilot).
Seriously tho, Stuffing padding and wanting to keep your car for a few days is simply foolish. Your dealer clearly has no clue. There are several TSB's in print that cover this failure. The fix is simply using a plastic wire tie in some cases. This is clearly a design flaw and you should not be made to suffer. I have owned 01,03 and an 07 Limited Santa Fe's and 1 07 Entourage SE. NO MAJOR failures. Only little annoying ones like yours. The difference between us, my dealer goes out of there way to get it fixed and they are very well trained. Wait for it to fail again and find another shop.
First and foremost the dealership for being flat out incompetent. The "prove it and we'll believe you" attitude ranks right up there too.
Second the Hyundai District Representative for failing to intercede and take action. But I am also curious as to what information he was fed from the dealership too. They absolutely refuse to let me contact him directly. Surely the dealership wouldn't stretch the truth and twist things around so they come out looking squeaky clean? Hmmmmm.
Lastly Hyundai Customer Service for being flat out lame. The Customer Representative was friendly and courteous but it was quite obvious that she had no authority in the matter. She was little more than a bobble head collecting information and trying to diffuse the situation. When I did finally get through to a Manager, he sounded like a fresh college graduate and offered NO thoughts at all. Manager hah! I was trying to address an ongoing issue with my SUV, not order a pizza for delivery!
You referenced that "There are several TSB's in print that cover this failure". Where might I find this information? I hate to be a bother but I really need some help with this problem bad. At least then I could go back to Hyundai with something and MAYBE they will actually do something to resolve it.
I had this problem with my Entourage SE. It has the same manual Lumbar support handle as you do on your 06 Santa Fe.
I would be driving along and boom, the lumber would stop supporting my back as if I lowered the handle. They followed the instructions within TSB 07-60-001. I know this TSB is for my Entourage but they have the same inards with respect to manual lumbar support. Here is the link to the Hyundai Webtech site. Just create an account and go to Service Information. Search for this TSB number. Let me know how you make out.
http://www.hmaservice.com
Good Luck with the truck. Please keep in touch and let me know how you make out...
Step 2: Contact Hyundai USA Corporate / Consumer Affairs / BBB and make them aware of the issue(s).
I constantly conduct my business at several dealers of the same brand, for various reasons. I would rather drive the extra miles to avoid the hassle and disappointment, but I certainly wouldn't pass up the product (vehicle) itself because of above, regardless of which brand.
Applies to almost every large purchase I make.