Nissan Altima

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  • ctalericoctalerico Member Posts: 23
    Lately, I feel like I am reading a teenager's board.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    The '03 Honda will be here for 5 more years, it just came out! Wait until 2008 for any "new" Accords. '06-'07 may see "new" Altimas

    I say "new", meaning it may be just a reskinned car.
  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    Hi folks,

    I JUST test drove BOTH the 2003 Accord i4 and V6.

    Size? While the "specs" may be what they are, I can tell you the Accord definately feels like it has LESS room than the Altima... Much smaller trunk than the Altima too.

    Power & Torque? No way does it compare to the Altima. The engine is smooth, the car feels tight, but you have to jump on to get the same "oompf" you do with the Altima... And when you do, it doesn't kick-in as smoothly as on the Altima -- it kind of revs high then kicks in (I'm speaking of the V6 right now, by the way).

    Does it have enough power/torque to get you from A-to-B? Absolutely, and nobody should say otherwise.

    Mileage? If the mileabe numbers on the Accord (21/30 on the V6 for example) are correct, that's certainly better than the Altima at 19/26 (on the V6).

    Styling? Hands-down the COUPE is the clear winner with the "Mercedes-like" tail-end. But IMHO, not nearly as "upscale" looking as the Altima (from side & rear views -- replace the grille on the Altima with a chrome Billet/Trenz grille, and that solves the front view look on the Altima).

    Price? Altima all the way... Honda just asks far too much for this vehicle -- with tax/lic etc. you're looking at $29,000 for the V6 and $25,000 for the i4. I paid $25,000 for my Altima 3.5 SE Automatic (V6) out-the-door with custom two-tone interior the dealer agreed to do for me (i.e., not standard). BUT... The Accord is new, so premium pricing is probably expected for a while.

    Ride & Interior? Nice and tight and handles the bumps well, but not nearly as "fun" to drive as the Altima. Nice interior, but the seats felt a little flat compared to the Altima. A few more interior styling "spiffs" on the Accord splashed about, but nothing that made me think wow -- but certainly a little nicer than the Altima.

    Resale? My guess is the Accord will probably have a better resale... We'll have to see -- You simply can not compare past resale numbers on the old Altimas with the new one... HOWEVER, if I were to put money on it, I'd say the Accord will still have the better resale.

    Overall? Both the i4 and V6 are VERY nice cars and I think anyone would/should be happy with it... In summary I'll say this:

    If you want decent styling, little plusher interior, decent power, mileage, and good resale value, go for the Accord.

    If you want great styling, power/torque, room, driving fun, and are less concerned with 30 mpg freeway and fabric on the door, go for the Altima.

    Final note: Couple things I found really irritating were the radio controls were not "intuitive", and when you grab on the the auto-shifter during acceleration (an automatic reflex from driving a stick for so many years) it very easy to pop the car into 3rd... Not a big deal, but it just bugged me that it was so easy to accidentally do that -- but again, not a reason to avoid the car by any means... Also, if you test one of the new Accords, make sure the "traction control" is OFF -- makes a BIG difference.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    There's actually a button on the Accord's shifter that you have to push in to make it change gears I think. But could be wrong cause I've never had that problem.

    As for pricing, an Accord EX V6 MSRP is $26,200 vs. an Altima MSRP of $26,500 if you option them the same. Don't know where you saw a $29,000 Accord but it doesn't make sense to me.
  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    The 2003 Accord V6 EX I drove stickered at $26,460... Add 10% for tax, lic, etc. and comes to around $29,000... Again, I got my V6 Altima out-the-door (i.e., AFTER tax, lic, etc.) for $25,000. (i.e., $26,460 x 1.10 = $29,106)... Sorry if I didn't communicate this clearly.

    As for the shifter... Nope -- you can easily while the car is in drive just pull the shifter back in into third. But again, it's something I'm sure anyone would get used to pretty quickly.

    Hey, thanks for your thoughts!!!

    (:-D
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Alot of people are getting the Accord EX V6 for invoice which is $23,900 so total drive out woulda been $26,389. Would be interested to know what options you have on your Altima?
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    I argee with everything except price. ANYONE can see that the Altima cost more than the Accord. No Accord cost $29K bucks. If you pay that much for one, something is WRONG.
  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    Guys... Like I said, that was the the sticker price on the Accord -- could it be negotiated down? Probably. I didn't stick around long enough to do that.

    As for my Altima... Sheer-Sliver, 3.5SE (Auto), Two-Tone Custom Leather, Micro-Filter, 17" Alloy Rims, Mud-Guards, Floor Mats, ABS... Hmmm... I think that's it -- didn't want the sun roof.
  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    By the way... I just clicked New Car Pricing here at Edmunds, and they show:


    Accord EX V6 Coupe "TMV" @ $26,360

    Accord EX V6 Sedan "TMV" @ $26,260


    Maybe I incorrectly wrote down $26,460 instead of $26,360 for the Coupe, but even Edmunds supports the price I quoted.


    I don't want to start an argument about this, but like I said, even Edmunds' pricing agrees.


    Whether tax, lic, etc. comes out to 8%, 9%, 10%, etc. depends on where you live. I'm in Los Angeles, so out here Tax, for example, is 8-1/4 percent...


    Anyway... The Accord is a nice car, I just "personally" like the Altima more -- though I do wish it got the Accord's mileage, and I DEFINATELY wish it came in a 2-DOOR COUPE.


    By the way... If you want to see what the Altima would look like as a 2-DOOR, go to:


    http://www.pacificnet.net/~evh/FavoriteCars.html


    (:-D

  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    By the way... I just clicked New Car Pricing here at Edmunds, and they show:


    Accord EX V6 Coupe "TMV" @ $26,360

    Accord EX V6 Sedan "TMV" @ $26,260


    Maybe I incorrectly wrote down $26,460 instead of $26,360 for the Coupe, but even Edmunds supports the price I quoted.


    I don't want to start an argument about this, but like I said, even Edmunds' pricing agrees.


    Whether tax, lic, etc. comes out to 8%, 9%, 10%, etc. depends on where you live. I'm in Los Angeles, so out here Tax, for example, is 8-1/4 percent...


    Anyway... The Accord is a nice car, I just "personally" like the Altima more -- though I do wish it got the Accord's mileage, and I DEFINATELY wish it came in a 2-DOOR COUPE.


    By the way... If you want to see what the Altima would look like as a 2-DOOR, go to:


    http://www.pacificnet.net/~evh/FavoriteCars.html


    (:-D

  • ahossaahossa Member Posts: 152
    Has anyone put on an after market spoiler? has anyone had any problems with their spoiler?
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    I've heard of people's cars taking off and becoming airborne for a few yards at a time at highway speeds because of the excessive, detrimental lift generated by their 'Boeing wing' oversized spoilers (which are unnecessary and unsuitable for their front wheel drive cars). Your mileage may vary(which in itself is apparently more true with the 6 cylinder engine - but that's a different topic!)
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    You can't compare a EX V6 Accord to what sounds like a basic 3.5SE Altima and say the Altima is cheaper. The Accord EX V6 comes with factory leather, power sunroof, dual-zone climate control, heated seats. None of which would be on a base Altima. If you option a Altima to be equal to the EX V6 Accord then the Altima would be $28,700 with the Luxury Package and the Side Air Bags, ABS, and Traction Control. So if you go by MSRP the Accord is $2,000 cheaper. And by the sounds of your Altima you shoulda been comparing it to a LX V6 Accord ($23,460 MSRP) not a EX V6 especially if you don't want a sunroof.

    Altima's a nice car and I'm glad you like it but if you are going to compare prices make it a fair comparison.
  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    Hey Anonymousposts... Fair enough -- I think we've beat the "price" issue to death, huh? (:-D

    Thanks for the volley!!!

    By the way... I read about a couple of "mods" to the Altima that are supposed to make a difference.

    1. Advance the timing 3 degrees -- supposed to noticably increase low-end grunt and improve mileage a bit?

    2. A free 2 minute creation of a Warm Air Intake by removing the air scoop from the front grill -- allow the motor to suck in more air... Heard could add 5-7 horsepower? (I have an Adobe Acrobat/PDF of this for anyone who wants to read about it)
  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    OOPS... Didn't complete my above post.

    Has anyone else heard of (or tried) these "mods" to the Altima?
  • acmeroadrunnracmeroadrunnr Member Posts: 81
    before you open up the air intake (its there for a reason), there is also an intake mod made by k&n that increases the hp and tq by about 10 each. I had not heard of the timing advance though. Do you have a link for that info?
  • aftyafty Member Posts: 499
    I would be careful with using a K&N air filter. There have been several reports over at Altimas.net of MAF failures possibly caused by the oil in the K&N filter. There's some debate as to whether the K&N filter caused the MAF failure, but I personally wouldn't risk it for a such a small (1-3 HP) gain.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I had a K&N in one of my Proteges, and it dramatically lowered its fuel economy and really didn't add any power. I took it out and sent it back to the manufacturer.

    A couple people on VWVortex.com had the same problem with increased fuel consumption from their VWs when adding K&N filters.
  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    I read about the timing advance thing at Altimas.net

    Use the search feature and you'll find the thread.

    (:-D
  • ahossaahossa Member Posts: 152
    Anyone bought an extended warranty on a 2.5S. I'm being offered one for 6yrs 75,000 miles. $1,295.00 plus Tax. Is that a good deal?
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    I'm looking to replace a car that is at the end of the lease. The Altima is, at the moment, #1 on the short list of vehicles I'm interested in.

    I'm thinking of a 2.5S with automatic, sunroof, conv pkg and ABS.

    My questions for other Altima owners: What do you truly like and dislike about your cars? What would you like to change if you could?

    For me, the plus side of the ledger includes: power, range on a tank of gas, roominess, features for price.

    The downside is pretty much limited to the way the interior is put together ... just seems less "nice" than, say, the Accord or Passat.

    Thanks in advance to all comments and responses.
  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    Here's my summary of the 3 vehicles I would look at (Don't know enough about the Passat to offer any comparison):

    ALTIMA:
    - Great styling
    - Decent interior
    - Great power/torque and driving fun
    - Average mileage
    - Average resale value
    - Great amount of room

    ACCORD:
    - Decent styling
    - Little nicer interior
    - Decent power/torque
    - Good mileage
    - Good resale value
    - Good amount of room

    CAMRY:
    - Average styling
    - Little nicer interior
    - Average power/torque
    - Good mileage
    - Good resale value
    - Good amount of room

    Hope this helps...
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I have driven 2 different Passats, a 1999 1.8T automatic and a 2001 (old) V6 automatic.

    Even with the V6, there seems to be a delay of power. This is very apparent (to me) with the 1.8T. Some owners say manually shifting the Tiptronic will help with this.

    Mileage is about average at 22mpg for the V6 and 24 or so with the 1.8T, both automatic.

    The interior is very upscale for this class, and VW seems to be the benchmark for their interiors. The room isn't as good as the Altima's though.

    I can't really compare the Passat's driving characteristics to the Altima's, having never test driven the 2002 Altima.
  • redkey1redkey1 Member Posts: 270
    It doesn't appear that you can option out a 2.5 S to include leather. The 2.5 SL only comes in automatic. Am I reading wrong? Do you need to go to the 3.5SE to get both 5spd and leather?
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Nope, as of 2003, the SL comes standard with the automatic transmission ... the 5-speed is not offered.

    And you are right ... the 2.5S cannot have leather added as an option. So, to have the manny tranny and leather, you'll have to move up to the 3.5SE .. which, IIRC, is a whole lotta money.
  • redkey1redkey1 Member Posts: 270
    What a terrible marketing ploy to get people into the 3.5SE.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Well, apparently demand wasn't high enough for the 2.5SL for them to keep making it. Besides, most Americans choose an auto tranny anyway when purchasing. And the majority rules. It wasn't probably profitable for Nissan to make a 2.5SL stick, so they stopped. Sucks for people who want one though.
  • crashnburn2crashnburn2 Member Posts: 23
    Actually, you do not have to move up to the 3.5SE. You can get a 2.5S with 5 speed and a cloth interior and have the dealer install aftermarket leather which I heard is softer than factory leather. You can refer to the Hond Accord vs. Nissan Altima board around post #8 or something like that. I would consider it but you unfortunately miss out on the automatic climate control. I guess it just depends if you can live without it or not. I would rather get a 3.5SE though so I can get the automatic climate control.
  • bbassin1bbassin1 Member Posts: 1
    How much is it to have leather installed by the dealer? I'm negotiating on a 3.5 '02 that has cloth.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Good leather will run you between $1100-$1400.
  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    I have the invoice when the Dealer installed two-tone leather in my Altima V6 -- total cost was $850 here in Los Angeles, CA.

    By the way... What you're doing is EXACTLY what I did -- bought a 3.5 SE and just had them add the two-tone leather... Way better than Nissan's leather, plus Nissan doesn't offer two-tone.

    Enjoy.
  • cayennered1cayennered1 Member Posts: 193
    I have dealer installed leather in my 99 Galant and it added less than $10/mo. to a 39 month lease price. Couldn't pass it up at that price.

    I am close to a deal on a leftover 02 Millenia but thye've raised the lease price on me. 42mo., $394/mo., 15000mi., with first payment and security. I am wondering what kind of deal I can get on leasing a 2.5S with 0 down just basic power equipment, CD and a leather package thrown in. Intellichoice has a 2.5S lease deal listed as exceptional but at $319/mo with $1500 down and an aquisition fee of $500 it doesn't sound that great. Especially compared to an absolutely loaded Millenia (power everthing, moonroof, leather, traction control, ABS, 50000 warranty and free loaner car). I would be interested in knowing anyone's price experience on leasing an Altima.
  • crashnburn2crashnburn2 Member Posts: 23
    Ultima, I agree with you how it is better to get the dealer installed leather because Nissan does not offer two-tone leather but I guess it just depends on the person who is purchasing the car. They might want the 4 cylinder engine or the 6 cylinder engine. I would get the 4 cylinder engine though because I would not want to use the extra money on premium gas. But I would go to the 2.5SL for two reasons: 1) Automatic Climate Control and 2) I don't know how to drive a stick! I need to learn, it saves money
  • ultimaultima Member Posts: 96
    OOPS... My mistake.

    I guess I didn't read enough of the thread to realize the person was looking at the 4 cyl.

    The climate control was not a big deal for me -- so I didn't care... Certainly many like this.

    As for the premium gas... Yes, that kind of "blows", but I noticed it runs fine on the mid-grade too -- but yes, you will pay more at the pump with the V6. Truth is, though, when you step on her and she rockets up to 100 mph in a blink of an eye, you almost forget about the premium gas thing. But thinking "practically", it is an issue to consider.

    As for the saving money with the stick... I don't know? I remember looking at the stats once and thought there was only a one mile per gallon difference with the stick vs. the auto.

    As for the stick vs. automatic thing... I'm with you all the way. I drove (and still drive) my Nissan Hardbody truck/5-Speed for years.

    Living in Los Angeles, I couldn't wait to get an automatic. L.A. Traffic SUCKS man!!!

    (:-D
  • crashnburn2crashnburn2 Member Posts: 23
    Sorry, I didn't describe it enough. When I said driving a stick saves money, I meant the transmission. When you order the car, you have to pay to get the automatic, unless the car is standard with it. In the Altima's case, you have to pay an extra $500 when you order it.
  • tpg5tpg5 Member Posts: 3
    I am excited about buying an altima 3.5 SE, and was wondering if i could get a better deal on the price by putting down a large down payment, lets say 40 % of the total price?
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    You should be able to negotiate the same price regardless of down payment but you will probably get a slightly better interest rate with the larger downpayment.
  • steve0729steve0729 Member Posts: 8
    I would like to know if any owners of 2002 Altima's had or have this same problem. While driving down rough roads I hear a tapping like rattle sound coming from the the left front of the car. Had the car back to the dealer twice so far, they have found nothing wrong with the front left strut or with any part of the suspension. I need to solve this problem soon have only 2000 miles left before the 36,000 mile warranty is up.
  • keyrowkeyrow Member Posts: 214
    that you have put 34,000 miles on the car in one year? Just curious.
  • bill124bill124 Member Posts: 246
    Anyone care to comment on whether the 4 cylinder in the 2.5S (automatic) is big enough for getting on highways easily, etc.? Also, is it the case that the 4 cylinder will use regular gas but the 6 needs premium? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The 6 does recommend premium, but some have reported running 89 and being ok.

    The engine is the most powerful in the compact sedan class, so it's definitely powerful enough. The 6 is geared toward more "sporting" drivers.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Best bet is for you to drive it and see for yourself. I was pleasantly surprised by the power in the 4-cyl Altima, even with the automatic, especially since I live close to Denver (altitude: 6000'+). No problem getting up to merging speed.

    Jury is still out, however, on whether I'm going to get the Altima or perhaps the Saturn L300 with the V6.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The Altima is a heck of alot better looking than the new, ugly, revised 2003 L Series. To each his own though. Good luck! :)
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Over in the "help me choose" topic, I point that out. Visually, the Altima has it all over the L-series.

    However. I can get a V6 L-series for about the same price as the 4-cyl Altima (with roughly the same levels of equipment), plus the L-series comes standard (at least on the V6) with traction control.

    Decisions, decisions. I'm still leaning towards the Altima, for reasons best described as "intagible".
  • lsclsc Member Posts: 210
    I agree w/ vocus. Saturns don't look that good. Also, the lower image of driving a Saturn might be something to consider too. Do you want to be seen in a Saturn?

    You might want to get a car you won't be embarrased to be seen in.

    Now if you said Honda Accord was your other consideration, that might have made more sense to me. It's got Saturn like looks but a better 4-cyl. engine that's more fuel efficient (and quieter) as well as the higher quality interior.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    funny you should point that out. I was picking my son up from work last night and thinking to myself "which vehicle would he like to see me drive up in? Altima or Saturn?". At that point, I realized how much I like the looks of the Altima.

    Now, to find one with the equipment I want on it!

    2.5S
    Automatic
    M02 package (conv pkg + sunroof)
    ABS/Side airbags

    Wife says no red, white or black; any other color OK.

    Thanks to one and all for your feedback. Will be a few weeks before pulling the trigger on the new car; but I'll check back when I've done so.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Glad you decided. :)

    And why not white? It's the easiest color to keep clean. That or silver. And please don't get silver, all the Altimas on the road (almost) are silver. :)
  • cayennered1cayennered1 Member Posts: 193
    I simply shake my head in dismay at the Saturn L restyle. What does GM pay stylists for? This thing looks like it should have its picture in the dictionary next to the words bland and outdated.

    Not much can be said for the Ion's styling either other than it looks like an ugly version of the Neon.

    Regardless, the Altima is a far better choice on almost every level, not just styling.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    though some may not like it. White shows dirt just as bad as black in my area. Silver might not be that bad, but it's WAY WAY too popular.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Wife says no red, white or black. Even though I'm to be the primary driver, I've learned that keeping the spouse happy is Job 1.

    The Velvet Beige is a nice color, as is the Crystal Blue (similar to our Beetle). I think I'd be happy with any of them, to tell the truth. Though, if I had to rank them, it might be something like:

    Crystal Blue
    Seascape
    Mystic Emerald
    Velvet Beige
    Silver (you're right, everyone now has a silver car, it seems)

    We'll see what the dealer can do; I'm more interested in the equipment being right, then I'll deal with the color.
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