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Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon

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  • twrxtwrx Member Posts: 647
    Midwest=much road salt=rust. My '98 Forester had no rust at all when traded in last summer.
    TWRX
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's because Subaru uses double galvanized steel panels. That means both sides, inside and out, are treated to prevent rust.

    Now, if you get a ding or scratch, and leave it untreated, then yes it'll rust. But if you're careful with your paint, and fix any blemishes, you ought to be fine for at least a decade.

    -juice
  • linda1948linda1948 Member Posts: 6
    Well, you know exactly where I want that turbo punch. My 94 short Tahoe is a pain when mixing with the "non mountain smart" on I-80. Sorry, I'm thru stirring my own gears, but I don't mind selecting 3rd in the slushbox to keep it on the "boil". I'm pretty good about washing new cars, but in a couple of years, I'm afraid it'll stay pretty dirty all winter. I noticed the brochure states that 70% of the body sheet metal is double galvanized, is this an improvement over older models? I have an aquaintance who has a 92 Legacy wagon, says it runs great at 140K miles, but it is eaten up with body rust.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think they started using galvanized steel about 10 years ago. That's just an educated guess.

    -juice
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    have had them on 2 legacies, they are ok in snow when they are new and there is still lots of tread, after that they are pretty pathetic. can't beat good winter tires if its snow and ice you worry about.
  • WarpDriveWarpDrive Member Posts: 506
    I'm still debating on whether I want to put rustproofing on the car. The only kind I trust is the repeat-every-year oil type (either Krown or RustCheck) but I never liked the fact that they drill into the frame and all sorts of places. Since the Subaru's panel's are galvanized (and I think undercoated also), I'm not sure it would help much.
  • twrxtwrx Member Posts: 647
    Hi, this is a post I put out yesterday on one of these boards. I live in southern Indiana where we don't get much snow but when we do the roads are treated with tons of salt. We often get called the salt belt here in the midwest. Cars have white stains halfway up the body work after a few days of snow. I had a '98 forester before I got my WRX this last summer. I went through 4 winters here with no additional rustproofing on the car and had no sign of any rust.

    TWRX
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    aftermaket rustproofing is not required these days, the manufacturing process is much better than say 20 yrs ago. also if someone starts drilling holes in panels you can be sure the manufacturer will void the rust warranty in a split second.
  • mikenkmikenk Member Posts: 281
    I am now an official "double-Subie" family. My wife loves her OB VDC; I just brought home my new silver WRX wagon. It would seem I Should get something special as an honor.

    The WRX is so brash that it does not want to stay under 4k rpm. This car is really fun; it really wants to go.

    FWIW, I paid about $1000 under MSRP. That was the best I could get from two dealers on a short time window.

    Now onward to the owners manual.
    Mike
  • ltcolumboltcolumbo Member Posts: 40
    I will be gettin' my WRX next week. I drive 25k miles a year/ 100k miles in four years. Is it worth $2k for only 40k miles of power train warranty? I know other things are covered too. Any advice appreciated!!
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    2k seems high, if its a Subaru warranty, you should be able to negotiate a hefty discount from the dealer, I wouldn't settle for less than a third off if not more, they make a killing on those. Also, whats the deductible??
    With a turbo if something goes wrong it will be even more expensive than a NA engine. Its always a difficult choice these warranties. One reason I have gotten them in the past was because a/c repairs etc can be very expensive too. In your case with 4 years that may be less of a problem and then its just the engine /powertrain you need to worry about.
  • 1subydown1togo1subydown1togo Member Posts: 348
    There are many double Subie owners here on Edmunds. My wife has a 2001 Legacy GT sedan, and I have a one-month old WRX Wagon in blue...
    the only award which you can earn is the official Subaru OCD certificate...it may take years of OCDness...or as little as waxing the underside of your hood...I shall say no more (nudge, nudge)
  • linda1948linda1948 Member Posts: 6
    I took a closer look at the subee's that were rusty, and it does appear that about 9 years ago they stopped being rust buckets. Went to dicker price on a car, turns out it had 600 miles on it[being used for a demo], well I demoed it, still can't get silly grin off my face. Gave in and ordered a silver auto wagon for 1500 below msrp. I told the salesman that I thought they should have more wagons in stock. Seems to me a great compromise vehicle for young families, lot's of performance cheap+it will go to the grocery store with the kids in the back. The first car I ever bought was a Jag E-type 3.8 roadster [very used], I think the WRX is as fast, and certainly handles better. Looking forward to smoking a few smug Porsche drivers in my 7000+ ft atmosphere:) Am I missing something, or is the public unaware of what a great car this is?
  • mikenkmikenk Member Posts: 281
    I must admit I have not started waxing the inside of my wheels or under the hood, but every 4 months, I wash, clay, apply a coat of Klasse AIO, and 3 coats of Klasse silicon glaze on my cars. Does that qualify for an OCD certificate? My wife thinks it qualifies for some sort of crazinesss. The new WRX will get the treatment the first warm day.

    I took the stock stereo on the WRX. To my listening ears, it passed my test cd's with about a B grade, certainly not up to the McIntosh standard on the OB, but good enough to be enjoyable and to save my money for awhile. The receiver seems to be very functional.

    Mike
  • corkfishcorkfish Member Posts: 537
    In a wagon with an automatic?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Haaa. Well that doesn't say much since any street race never realy has a "winner" and you never know if you are really racing or not. There was almost one less porsche owner today though one tried to merge into the left front fender of my Trooper on the Verrezanno Bridge. Luckily my triple Hella Trumpets saved him.

    -mike
  • mikenkmikenk Member Posts: 281
    As a typical new owner, I have been actively reading everywhere about my new purchase. On i-club, there seems to be a lot of discussion about decelleration grinding and clutch shutter and related warranty issues. I don't recall any such discussions here. There doesn't seem to be anyone like Patti from SOA involved on that forum. Did I miss something on this forum concerning these issues or is that a different crowd with different expectations?

    Thanks
    Mike
  • chaynes1chaynes1 Member Posts: 27
    Some have been wondering about fuel efficiency in the WRX. I took a thousand mile trip in my wagon (5-sp) recently. Passed 1,000 miles halfway through the trip, so the last half was more spirited driving. Mixed freeway at 70-75 mph plus some mountain driving. Averaged 27.2 mpg, with one leg over 28 mpg.

    Anyone pulling a light trailer with the WRX? I have a light 2-kayak trailer and have ordered a factory hitch for the WRX. Opinions?
  • WarpDriveWarpDrive Member Posts: 506
    Phew, it took longer than I expected, but here is my epinions review of the WRX


    http://www.epinions.com/content_51148263044

  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    In a wagon with an automatic?

    I think you missed the part about the 7000+ ft altitude. All Porsches, excepting the Porsche 911 Turbo, would be gasping for air at that altitude, assuming it has not struck you till now. I can attest to the fact that the Auto-WRX is a fantastic machine in the mountainous regions that I drive around in.

    I don't want to start the old argument about your smug "with an automatic?" comment by laying out the weaknesses of the WRX manual in its most vital aspect - the AWD system itself. The Auto-WRX has one of the most sophisticated AWD systems currently available in the market. Period. Can't say the same about the manual-WRX, can we ?

    I think we should all refrain from making ignorant smart-a-- comments about something you do not own. Why do you gleefully point out the speck of dirt in your brother's eye, when you are ignoring the presence of a log of wood in your own eye ?!!!

    Later...AH
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    IMHO the AT v. MT thing is about as dumb as the Wagon v. Sedan track arguement. I'm an avid AT fan, but driver skill in a WRX will win-out over any mechanical advantage an AT gives you. For the same reason that someone who is good at auto-x beats other people who seemingly should have the upperhand due to their mechanical advantage.

    -mike
  • corkfishcorkfish Member Posts: 537
    Sorry, I know the truth hurts, but you can figure an automatic adds a full second to the quarter mile and 0 to 60 time for any car. That puts an automatic WRX around 7 seconds and the low to mid 15's. ( see Obi's posts about consistently beating a WRX wagon in his new auto Maxima). I've driven the WRX several times. My brother has a 2000 Porsche 911. The WRX is nice ( I'm waiting for the STI wagon), but it's no 911. Trust me.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Are meaningless. Not to mention most drag cars are ATs NOT MTs. Anyone can go fast in a straight line....

    -mike
  • cinosweivecinosweive Member Posts: 166
    Any opinions on the short throw shifter option? I tried one and found some things I liked, and some I didn't. I didn't know if it took some getting used to or if I would be better off w/ the standard equipment.
  • ltcolumboltcolumbo Member Posts: 40
    I've been trying to find the post on putting the sedan rear sway bar on the wagon and can't find it. So.......how much of a difference does it make (good and bad) in the ride/handling dept. I take delivery of a new WRX wagon (auto) tomorrow!!Yippie!!
  • linda1948linda1948 Member Posts: 6
    Yes, I know a WRX is no Porche, but 7000 feet really does slow down non-turbo cars. Throw in AWD vs. rear-wheel, a little snow and ice, no contest. As for AT-MT discussions, who cares, buy what you like. I'm not pretending to be M. Schumacher. I'm just someone that appreciates a fairly quick car, that works well in the conditions I have to drive in, and I'm lazy. Smoke them in an auto wagon, you bet. I'm not out looking for street races, but every once and a while the "occasion" arises to utilize what you have.
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    I am trying to restrain myself from responding to what you are saying....but suffice it to say that the manual WRX would be about 0.5 secs faster than an Auto-WRX in a straight line, which is plenty fast for any normal person.

    But the rapid and efficient torque transfer characteristics of the Auto-AWD system (with a combination of both a Torque-sensing Planetary gear center differential and an electronically controlled 6-plate clutch pack) - and terrain sensing built-in capability, along with 22% additional power to the rear wheels (when compared to the manual-WRX), does make it a lot better than the manual-WRX in the eyes of many people. 0-60 or any such straight line statistics be damned !!! I hope you do not start to equate handling finesse with manual gear selection capability, are you ? If that were so, then a FWD econo-box with a manual should handle better than a RWD BMW with an Auto ! Handling needs the appropriate amount of power on the right set of wheels on the right side of the car, which in the case of the Auto-WRX is way better than the VC equipped Manual-WRX.

    If rowing your own gears is a priority, then there are many other better choices including the Acura RSX and few others, which shift like butter when compared to the notchier Subaru stick-shift.

    I see a lot of these characters jump in with ridiculous comments, just because they dislike anyone else driving anything else, other than what they decide everyone else ought to be driving. They decide the definition of "sporty" for the rest of the populace and anything other than "their definition of sporty", is something which in their blinkered perception, is to be ridiculed.

    Also, as far as the future of Automobile transmissions are concerned, I would predict that the Automatics of the future would get more refined and better (with clutch-less Auto-manuals like the BMW-SMG) and the pure manuals would be on their way out (extinct like the Dodo-bird) and could possibly be visually appraised in an Auto-museum or something. Hell, even the current Audi CVT Automatic is faster than the corresponding manual Audi A4. And that's now. Give it a few more years and the manuals would become an oddity for quirky individuals to feel good while working out the muscles of their left leg during driving; and swallowing the dust left behind by the Automatics (of the future), which just breezed by.

    Later...AH
  • twrxtwrx Member Posts: 647
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    The exclusive VTD-AWD system of the Auto-WRX (not available in any other Auto-Subaru except the VDC), is brutally fast in its torque/power transfer capability which the VC-equipped Manual-WRX cannot touch. No system using the thickening of a Viscous fluid for torque-tranfer (like the manual WRX) can touch the efficiency and brutal directness, rapidity or effectiveness of the electronically controlled mechanical VTD-AWD system present in the Auto-WRX. This capability aids it in handling, along with its 22% additional power ever-present on the rear-wheels. Let us not delude ourselves otherwise.

    Later...AH
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    I am certainly trying to forget but could not ignore the latest bait laid out by corkfish.

    Later...AH
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    You do realize the LSD on your beloved AT-WRX is using the thickening of a Viscouse Fluid for torque transfer right? :)

    -mike
  • rwr1708rwr1708 Member Posts: 34
    Hi Everyone, Happy New Year!

    I drove an auto WRX wagon a while back, and fell in love with it. Except for one thing...the seats. I'm a big guy (6'2", 245 lbs.) and I found the side seat bolsters to be a giant pain in the @**, literally. I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions, or aftermarket ideas to take care of this problem. At this rate, I'm even considering buying the car and sitting with a pillow on the seat, to reduce the effect of the bolsters. I already asked Subaru, and they claimed that no adjustments to the seats are possible, through upgrade or special order. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    In regards to auto vs. manual, I'll stay out of that one, as I've never driven a manual. I have found it entertaining and infromative, though, as I'm trying to chose between sticking with the auto or learning the manual. As one of my friends put it: "Owning a car like that in an automatic is sacrelige." As I read on through these posts, I'm seeing that's not necessarily the case.

    Thanks for any advise you may be willing to give.

    Rich
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Being an AT only driver myself, I'd say if it's going to be your daily driver get the AT. The MT will help you a small % of the time and be a pain in the butt for the rest of the time. I got an MT on my "toy" car which is used exclusively for auto-x and track events.

    -mike
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    Future transmissions will be CVT (or IVT, depending on who you ask). They will have a 'puter hanging off the side of them. The 'puter on "sport" models will offer, among others, a program that causes the CVT to behave like a manual, including doing a little lurch when the "shift" is made. See technical discussions of the CVT in the new A4 if you don't believe me; that transmission is the future, IMO.

    As far as today's choice, auto vs. manual in the WRX, I'd take the manual but would envy the more advanced AWD in the auto models. It would be nice if Subaru would offer that center diffy with the manual trans -- even nicer if they'd make it a 6-speed tranny, and put a little dial on the console for controlling f/r bias ala the WRC racers :-)

    Cheers,
    -wdb
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    In case you hadn't noticed, here's an interesting link that I posted earlier today:

    Bob

    rsholland "Subaru Crew - Future Models II" Jan 1, 2002 11:55am
  • corkfishcorkfish Member Posts: 537
    As noted in numerous periodicals, the automatic in this car is lame compared to the manual. If you're looking for convenience, that's fine. Most people don't go anywhere near the handling limits of their cars on a daily basis, but you see people pushing acceleration limits all the time. So, I'm much more concerned about 0 to 60 and 1/4 mile times than anything else. I'm not talking about transmissions 10 years from now. When an automatic comes out that can compete with it's manual counterpart, I'll buy it ( I'm not an elitist so don't shoot the messenger). In the mean time, I'll be quite content with my EVO VII or STI with the manual! Geez, I guess the truth really does hurt. The automatic is slower, if you're happy with trade off that's fine. The problem is that so many people buy the automatic and then sound very bitter about it.
  • ltcolumboltcolumbo Member Posts: 40
    That's where I want the power, more "real world" for me.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    So theoretically according to your reasoning, you'd really be more happy with a muscle car such as the Rustang, TransAm, etc. They are great stop-light to stop-light cars. :) Trying to use a WRX for dragging or stoplight-stoplight races is like using a filet knife to chopup beef for hamburgers. Yep it'll work but it's not being used as it was intended or else SOA would be giving out NHRA memberships instead of SCCA ones!

    -mike
  • corkfishcorkfish Member Posts: 537
    I like the Subaru Wagon because its such a sleeper. I'm also phobic about driving in the snow, so a performance car that has four wheel drive for 23K is an amazing accomplishment. I'm not a fan of the Camaro or Mustang because most of the people who drive them seem to be kids with big egos or middle aged individuals having a mid life crisis. If they'd put the Mustangs V8 in a rear drive Ford Contour, I'd be a buyer. I don't want a car that screams' "hey, look at me, I've got a performance car", my ego isn't that big!
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    My wife and I are a two ru family as well. I have a 97 OBS and she has a 99 OB Ltd.

    Corkfish - There is really no need to attack someone for their choice of transmission. So someone may exaggerate a little. Who cares?!? Get over it. And every time, AH posts lines upon lines of VTD this and that.

    AH - Here we go again. I know that the VTD is the most advanced Subaru system. But I would like to know exactly how long it takes for the VC to transfer torque. Give me numbers. How much real world experience do you have driving a manual in slippery conditions? Where do you get 22% for the difference? It's more like 5. (VC=50/50, VTD=55/45). Like paisan said, don't forget that your rear LSD uses the viscous goo as well. ;-)

    -Dennis
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    More important AT v. MT is the driver... That is the single most over-looked factor in any performance appraisal.

    -mike
  • 1subydown1togo1subydown1togo Member Posts: 348
    I am averaging between 20 -21 mpg on my daily commute..did 24 for mixed city/hway, and on my drive from picking up the car in Tampa to home (all hway), did almost 27 mpg. The wagon now has approx 1300 miles. Not bad for a new automatic
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    the coupling fluids and driver ability!

    I just bought and installed Yakima locking cross bars for my WRX wagon on New Years Eve. I was going to order through subaruparts.com but knew that I wouldn't get them by this coming weekend when I'm planning to do some skiing. I figured I would just go to a Yakima dealer since this is what Subaru uses anyhow. I actually got better cross bars than what Subaru offers. The fact that the bars can lock to the rails is the single biggest difference. My total cost was $220 w/tax (8.8%). Now I have to dig around in my basement to find the ski attachments. This may prove to be the more difficult task. :-)

    Stephen
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Serge, I expect your mpg's will decrease. Why?
    It's broken in now and your foot will get heavier. :-)

    -Dennis
  • mike367mike367 Member Posts: 6
    Just my 2 cents on the auto vs. manual discussion:
    Manuals offer much more control whether it be downshifting going into a corner or to pass on the highway. You can keep the revs where you want them to optimize power output of the engine. In a car like the WRX that makes most power above 3000 RPM's, this is an important factor. Gas mileage is marginally better. In addition, those of us who drive one now will agree that it's much more fun to row-your-own. I inherited an automatic Contour V-6 and got so bored that I traded it right away. Certain cars (including the WRX) ought to be manuals. Automatics are for Lincolns and Cadillacs. People who get a car like a WRX with an automatic are either incredibly lazy, women, or pansies. No offense to you Paisan, your Subaru was not available with a 5-speed to the best of my knowledge.
  • saintvipersaintviper Member Posts: 177
    I've got a MT in my WRX, and my wife's A4 has an AT, probably very similar to what's in the MT WRX. One of my favorite pastimes is skidding to a halt on a snowy road to test the ABS, then launching the car in the snow and feeling it take off like it's on dry pavement.

    My experience when doing this is that the AWD system in the Audi does react a little faster and gives a better launch. In the WRX, it take just a little bit longer for the power to transfer to the rear wheels.

    In the real world, I think that what difference there is really doesn't matter very much. Both systems work very well and unless you test them under controlled conditions, you'll never know the difference.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I believe Audi uses a torsen differential, which indeed acts quicker than a viscous coupling. There is an Achilles' Heel to a torsen, though - in a frictionless environment, it fails to send power to the axle with grip.

    This is a well documented and discussed topic on Miata.net. Early Miatas had a viscous LSD, while later ones got a Torsen LSD. The earlier ones are better on ice, but the latter is more suited for the track.

    Audi addresses this by making traction control standard.

    In Subaru's case, it makes sense that they chose the systems that works best in snow, given Subies sell so well in the snow belt. Can't blame 'em.

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    This is not clubsi nor a Nissan owner's club. We generally refrain from such infantile behavior.

    -Dennis
  • 1subydown1togo1subydown1togo Member Posts: 348
    or some of us have wives who can't drive stick...as Dennis said, name calling or generalizations about a group of people are frowned upon here.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Well actually the XT6 did come in an MT. My new one is an MT, old one is an AT.

    Not to beat a dead horse... My AT XT6 BEATS MT WRXs in Auto-x... So you can take that as an affirmation of the AT performance not hurting that much. Like I said before--- Driver Skill --- is more important than most other factors.

    -mike
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