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- the road surfaces you drive on
- how you drive
- the tires on the cars (not all 5s ride on same tires, not even all 540i)
- air pressure maintenance of the tires (esp. if the tires are under- or over-inflated); no two people will have the same air pressures over time
- temperature
- the actual suspension set up of each car (not all cars arrive to buyer in factory spec; just hit a pothole or curb hard and it will affect your suspension)
- loads carried
Etc.
I got even more confused when I checked to see the actual tire pressures which were 29 psi all around. The car was delivered to me by a dealer who is a leading independent specialist in pre-owned BMWs.
Tires are Michelin Energy All-Season 225/55HR-16
and the cars delivers outstanding levels of ride and cornering IMO.
Anyone wanna take a shot at unconfusing me?
-E39s Forever!
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
I would imagine that in BMWs efforts to create optimal performance settings tolerances are sometimes exceeded. So Atomicpunk (post #825), I think a toe adjustment on the rear wheels would get you longevity on those tires. Ditto ajj (post #819).
BTW if anyone disagrees with me, don't shoot the messenger. I got this from what appears to be a well-written if not totally-comprehensive article that appeared in Grassroots Motorsports written by engineer John Hagerman. The regulars around here usually provide very helpful information so I am in no way trying to be confrontational.
Warthog, LMAO, you're too much ;-)
Here's that article:
http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html
Are there any probs with particular year models.
What oem/aftermarket equipment is the most desirable?
Should I be worried about buying a BMW with 130k miles already?
What kind of maintenance should I expect to be coming on BMW's of this age and miles? - engine, trans, electronics...etc
Any comments would be greatly app. I enjoy the topics and replies in this forum.
Thanks in advance for any and all help.
<lookit Andy spout type numbers like a real Propellerhead :^)>
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
so what is the best powerplant to have in a E39?
Best Regards,
Shipo
what is the "A" in 528iA?
What does the factory sports package consist of on the 528/530 and could I upgrade non-sports package to sports package on a used machine?
"A"= automatic. Just an informal designator used by many to separate out manuals from automatics.
Equipment on Sport Pkg changed from year to year. Seemed like it was a bit more comprehensive in the last couple years of the E39 (say MYs 2002 and 2003) than before. Included things like upgraded tires and alloy wheels, suspension mods, Sport Seat, revised trim, etc.
A 528i or 530i manual with Sport Pkg is a magnificent car. Even a 525i manual with Sport Pkg is a very nice car. But the key is to get a manual transmission and the Sport Pkg.
From your posts, I wonder if an older used 5 Series is really right for you and your needs. Don't get one if all you are looking for is prestige. If you don't know what you are doing, you'll pay a lot for a used car that could be a maintenance nightmare! Buying older used BMWs is not for amateurs or the faint of heart.
Do you know a good independent mechanic who specializes in BMWs? If not, I wouldn't recommend a 1990s BMW.
>My wife uses a 109000 mile 1997 528iA as her commuter sled. Aside from a failed windshield washer motor($35), the fuel door hinge($12), and a power steering hose($80), it has only required scheduled maintenance over the past two years and 32000 miles. City/suburban fuel mileage averages 21 mpg while an 80 mph interstate cruise will net 28 mpg. In most cases, the best way to keep maintenance costs reasonable is to find a GOOD independent BMW tech; you will save 25%-50% on service compared to the dealer. All modern BMWs use a Service Interval Indicator to inform the driver when routine maintenance is required. On a 1998 5er an oil change will be called for at @9000 mile intervals. A minor service(Inspection I) will come up at @18000 miles and a major (Inspection II) service at @36000 miles. An oil change using synthetic oil will cost $60-$100, an Inspection I $150-$300, and an Inspection II $450-$800. Coolant must be changed every three years-using BMW Coolant ONLY, while the DOT4 brake fluid gets flushed every two years. In the newer cars I change the so-called "Lifetime" ATF fluid and final drive oil every 100000 miles. Brakes on the 528i tend to wear quickly. Count on changing the front pads about every 20000 miles and the rear every 50000. Though most dealers don't agree, you only need to change the rotors every other pad change. Note that my cost numbers are approximate. For example, if you change the oil yourself using a BMW filter and Mobil 1 or BMW synthetic the cost will be under $40. On the other hand, my local BMW dealer charges very reasonable rates for some of the services that I don't have the time and/or desire to perform. The dealer only charged me $110 to change the ATF AND the synthetic final drive oil. Last month they changed the coolant and the brake fluid for just $143. The 1997-2001 Fives are wonderful durable cars. It was/is widely regarded to be the finest sedan in the world.<
In your case I would also want any potential purchase inspected by a good BMW tech. In your price range the 528i is probably the only six cylinder choice available since the 525i and 530i were added to the range after 2000. My wife's car is an automatic and lacks the Sport Package, but it is still an engaging car to drive. The 528i automatics are GM units which have proven to be quite robust. I know of several 528iAs which have hit 200K miles with 60K-90K mile ATF changes. The only down side of the Sport Package is that it requires you to buy a set of winter tires if you plan to drive in icy or snowy conditions. Many owners mount the winter tires to a another new/used/aftermarket set of wheels which allows them to perform the swap themselves. That said, if a 5er was my only car I would want the Sport Package and the MT. In my case, I fortunately have a 1995 3er track rat to drive when I want to carve up a twisting two lane, so our "vanilla" 528iA serves it's intended purpose quite well.
I actually own a 1970 2002 and an E28 (533i trying to sell). I was raised reading my dads issues of Roundel. I have owned the 2002 for 15 years(been in storage) and the E28 has been in our family since new. (20 years) We have performed all of our own maintenance on all of our cars. (he is engineer and I used to be full time wrench - pilot now - different kind of propellerhead).
I have much more time these days (and quite a bit more cash) and a strong desire to re-match the knowledge of BMWs with the love I have for them.
I am sorry to appear a newbie - but I will catch up with all of your professional help. I promise.
I hope you all don't mind me asking silly questions, though, because the 15 years I was away from the hobby has really put me behind the power curve.
I live in So. California. My commute consists of an 8 mile drive on 1 street to the airport. I want the E39 to drive to the beach (with my 2 young boys - trying to get them hooked) through the canyons. Or to the golf course (once again through the canyons). And of course the occasional trip to Vegas with my wife.
From all the info I have so far, I am going to start looking for a 528i, 5 speed, sport package, only driven by an old lady to church on Sundays and the grocery store on Wednesdays. LOL
I wonder if I should look for non-sports pack and budget in the upgraded suspension, wheels and tires - doing the work myself after purchase?
Love this forum!!
I would look at the service records - it should tell you exactly what the problem was and if the owner had brought it in complaining about a problem.
Since the car was in service in November of 2003, it is an early production and with all of the computer systems and functions, I would not be surprised if there has been a couple of software upgrades, ecspecailly with some of the issues I had seen with automatic trans shift points and navigation.
FYI: I would make sure it had the sports package - active roll and steering are truly amazing. I was not sure about the active steering - but after about 3 miles I was sold on it. The active roll gives a better ride than the 540 series.
The V-8 is outstanding! Enjoy!
I am seeing about a 5-6 mpg discrepancy in the calculated versus actual. I am resetting the calculated mpg and miles after a fill and my units are set for english (miles/mpg).
I am seeing actual (based on miles and fuel pumped) of 21-23 and the calculated is 27-30. This is consistent over the last 6 tanks. I have been varying the speeds and gears alot during the initial break-in and driving alot of highway miles, which should not affect this.
I would expect it to have an error of 1 mpg, but not 5-6.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
I have found many without the sport pack with clean carfax and lots of maint records.
Has anyone tried to upgrade to factory sports pack by using dealer supplied parts...shocks, springs, sway bars?
I understand that the BMW sports pack is such a wonderful compromise between ride and performance that it is hard to improve upon.
I'm not that worried about the black-out trim and the 3 spoke steering wheel. Looks are secondary to performance.
Thanks for all/any replies.
Find a good independent BMW mech, who could give you an idea of what is involved. My guess is that it is not a matter of slapping on a few components. Usually the ride height of the sports suspension cars is lower and setup with lower profile tires, bigger rims as well as bigger brakes...
So, one component change leads to another...$$$. Find out the cost of having someone do it before hand.
I think you would be money ahead by upgrading to a bigger engine or driving 500 miles for a car that has the sports package already - it will be cheaper in the long run. They are out there, it just may take a little time to find it.
You may have already done this, but search on www.cars.com - it will list most cars available in whatever driving distance you are looking for.
There is a super clean '98 non-sport pack available about 35 miles away from me. The maintenance recs are perfect and it hasn't been taken advantage of.
All of the sport pack cars I have looked at look like they have been road hard and put away wet.
I'll keep looking. I'm in no hurry, really...just excited to get back into the game.
1.Larger front and rear anti-roll bars @$400
2.Bilstein HD Shocks @$500
3.540i front calipers and rotors @$350?
4.16 or 17 inch wheels and summer
high performance tires @$1200-$3000
5.Conforti Shark Injector and Cold Air Intake $710
The brake upgrade really isn't necessary, but it more than doubles the front brake pad life and you can usually pick up an inexpensive set of used calipers and brackets from a 540i owner who is upgrading to Brembos or some other high-zoot setup. The above changes won't turn your 5er into an M3 eater but they will give the sled a broader performance envelope than 95% of the non-BMWs on the road today. Not bad for less than $4000.
http://tecaccessories.com/index.html . I decided to give it a try. While I was at it I also picked up a stainless steel insulated BMW tumbler(BMW Part # 99 00 0 003 908). The device took all of about two minutes to install, the tumbler fits perfectly, and my wife loves it. Highly Recommended.
However, from the sounds of it, I think you would regret buying a non-sport package car for the times where you can really get on it.
I am sure there is a clean one out there with your name on it.
However, would the Bilsteins alone lower the ride height? I would think that would raise the spring rate considerably.
I don't want to go super low...just as low as the stock sport pack.
The money you list is comparable to the extra premium people are asking for the sport-pack models. i.e.- non sports = $15,900 clean and sports are going for about 20k - all else being equal.
Thanks for the info Div
I could prob even find a set of OEM bars.
I haven't ruled out the non-sport pack just yet.
It would be nice though, to just have to add the Conforti injector and cold air kit and be done with it.
Thx
Again, thank you for your input.
my2004 525 3000mi
How can a car that has been serviced every time the yellow light comes on, that has only 65,000 miles, and has never been in an accident or mistreated be such a piece of expensive junk? Can anyone tell me what I've done wrong? I've got to get a new car now but I'm afraid of another bad BMW experience.
I read through the post of the past couple months and wanted to give my $.02 on a couple topics discussed.
My 2002 540iA SP now has 42K miles and has been a great car. Unfortunately, I was in a hail storm in June where my car received hail damage while parked at work ($2000). Needless to say, I was not in a good mood the rest of the day/week/month afterward. My BMW faired much better than the most of the cars in the same parking lot. The size of the dings to my car was smaller than the other cars, but we all had a lot of dings. Only very anal people (i.e. ME) really noticed the hail damage on my car. I had Dent Wizard perform the paintless dent removal and they did a great job. Everything is back to normal. My only concern is if the interior door panels, head rest, etc they had to remove will rattle after time. So far, NO rattles at all.
I will go to the dealer for my 45K mile oil change soon. I need to have them replace the cup holders for the 2nd time. They are way too cheap in such a well built car.
I had the service engine light stay on last week for less that 5 miles. It went off the next day. I did not have any sluggish performance or any other noticable impact while the light was on. I will have the dealer look at it when I get the oil changed. Car is still under warranty.
My original Dunlop SP2000 tires made it to 28K miles. The outside of my front tires really showed a lot of wear. The rear tires were also close to their limits, but wore evenly. I have been known to take corners a little faster than the posted limits. The Dunlops got very noisy for the last few thousand miles. I put separate snow wheel and tires for winter driving last season. They were fantastic. I do not like how my car looks 'utilitarian' with my snow wheels installed, but I can safely go anywhere in the snow.
I purchased Firestone Firehawk summer tires in March based on reviews on Tirerack.com. I have never owned Firestone before these. The tires are quiet, but do not have the grip I expected or desired. It is too easy to spin the tires. The original Dunlops did not spin near as much as the Firestone. I thought of getting the Bridgestone S03s but I did not want to change my tires every 12-15K miles (approx 9 months), since I drive 18K-20K miles a year. I read some people only get 12-15K miles on a set of the S03.
Other than the minor issues listed above, the car has been wonderful. It is an amazing feeling to get back into 540i after driving a Chrysler Sebring conv on vacation for 8 days. The 540i offers the driver a completely different driving experience than almost any other car on the road.
My buddies 2001 540 w/ 75k started running hot on his way to work, so he dropped it off at a dealer. It was the thermostat. But they also said he needed to replace the radiator, waterpump and power steering hoses. Since it was under a 100k warranty, it was not a problem. But, I think these dealers try to replace everything.
I would as the question: is the check engine light caused by the vanos or camshaft sensor, or are they guessing?. What's the deal with the radiator or expansion tank - have you seen leaks?
All valve covers seep a little over time. A little evidence of oil from the cover without evidence of burning is not a reason to change the gasket in my book.
Always ask the question WHY? and have them explain in detail what the problem is. Ask them what is the result of not doing the repair. That will help you to determine if they are just snowing you.
Once I had a dealer tell me I needed new spark plug wires because I they had a cut in the insulation. They where just changed 20k miles prior. After questioning them, the cut was a mar and would not cause a problem.
Good luck.
http://tecaccessories.com/index.html
Sorry to hear about the hail damage. I am anal also, I hate to screw up a factory paint job.
My buddy recently put on Yokohama ES100 tires on his 540 (replacing the original Dunlops at 33k). He has been happy with the performance and traction, their treadwear is fairly high and they are reasonably priced. I have not decided whether to go with these or the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S which have a 400 treadwear when it is time to change. I too drive 15-20k/year.
I took the vehicle in and was advised that it would not be covered under warranty. $500 worth of damage. I think that the bottom of the spare tire wheelwell is an odd place to have an electronic module of such importance but who am I.
So be careful not to spill anything in the trunk!!!!
Possibly color coded, and the kind that stick by adhesive?
I park in a tight spot & opening & closing the doors might damage the doors to the Beamer.
http://www.alldata.com/tsb/BMW/1088665200000_1095145200000_510704- /510704.html
There is some interesting info to skim at your leisure. Many of the BMW TSBs that I quickly scanned are for the E60 and the Mini Cooper.
Main site:
http://www.alldata.com/tsb/index.html
Check with a local window tinting company. I bet they would have info on the product.