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The current 2008 Fit isn't in that list because the current model, which was introduced in Asia around 2000 if I recollect correctly, suffers from being a little too small and twitchy on the highway. It's a true "B" car (size category = mini, not compact) and suffers from some of the B car shortcomings, like not dealing with the freeway well. The Versa, on the other hand, is a "supersize me" "B" car which blurs the differences between minis and compacts. Heck, the Versa is more spacious than my 2004 VW Golf was!
Read the preview Edmunds has on the 2009 Fit for a detailed list of the 2008's shortcomings. Everything that is to be improved on the 2009 is, in fact, a real (substantive, not cosmetic) deficiency on the 2008 Fit. Don't get me wrong, the 2008 Fit is head and shoulders above the 2004 Scion xA I once had (much better ride, quieter, less buzzy, incredibly better safety gear and better crash resuls) BUT the Versa can be a lot cheaper if you shop right and has a lot more room and is a lot better on the freeway. My Versa was about 3,000 less than my Fit and it includes cruise control, floor mats, and mud flaps, while my Fit doesn't (but my fit has power windows and door locks).
Of course the Versa is a dull economy car (in most people's eyes) while the Fit is a trend-setting premium micro with some cachet (in many people's eyes) so you have to weigh that as well. Apart from a guest star appearance on Heroes, the Versa hasn't made much of a splash in either pop culture or car enthusiast culture, which is a shame, because it excels at affordable high-end mediocrity. :P
The Versa "satisfices" me - only roll up windows and manual door locks, but it has the much more important power mirrors (so I don't have to reach across or outside the cabin); no side air bags or ABS, but it has the much more critical side curtain airbags; the Versa doesn't brag about it's features, but it has an excellent stock radio/cd player with fine sound, a solid cargo cover while the Fit has none (or an optional "window shade" style cargo cover), and a six speed manual transmission; no "sex appeal" with the Versa but it substitutes well, in terms of freeway stability and quiet, for the former Chevy Impala we had, when I have to take long road trips - and let's face it, the Impala didn't have any "sizzle" either.
The kid in me loves the FTD factor (fun to drive factor) of the Fit much more than the Versa, but hey, I doubt your grandparents are as much of a kid as me (despite my chronological age I am still very much the kid in love with autos, inside) and I doubt your grandparents will be able to endure the shortcomings of the Fit, even if they VERY rarely drive it long freeway distances.
So have them take a look at the Versa, but don't go crazy with the options, if you get an SL and load it up and overprice it - if you do, you might as well buy a VW Rabbit (although it is noisier) and get that "cachet" thing.
Kudos to Backy for dialing back his Hyundai enthusiasm when they let him (and many of us) down with the very poor crash results on the Accent (and on the Kia Rio), despite all the airbags, which none of us expected given the outstanding results they had been getting on their larger cars, smaller SUV's, and minivans. Apparently at Hyundai, some of the advances (better CAD/CAM design? more weld points? exotic or high strength steels) in their upmarket vehicles haven't made it down to their economy cars. Right now I think there aren't any economy cars in America, with the exception of stripped Cobalts, Focii, and low end Corollas. With gas priced the way it is, people are willing to downsize but they still want well put together exteriors and interiors and some techno-goodies as well.
Today I e-mailed the dealer in Pensacola, FL, asking for a quote on a Versa 1.8SL, with CVT, ABS, and possibly the convenience package. I was disappointed with the "Come drive one of many on the lot and we can find the car for you" response, a response which had no quote with it. I'll be avoiding that dealer now. My parents want a moonroof, but that sticks you into an $18k pricetag since you have to get all the packages to get it, and that won't fly. They'd just get another Civic instead.
Interestingly, in my shopping endeavors, I keep running across $12k and $13k 2007 Malibu LT sedans. They aren't a lot to look at inside or out, but they offer a lot of bang for the buck since the depreciation is so rough on them. The best part is you don't take the hit, the previous owner already has. This would also be a more comfortable highway car for their trips back to Birmingham they make regularly.
There's just a lot out there, and they are looking at options one at a time.
The reason I switched from American cars on my last round of purchases was concern about poor dealer warranty service. The American brands have really tightened their wallets and I don't think you get nearly the level of warranty service (fix it right the first time) from American brand dealers as you get from the Big 3 Japanese dealers.
I don't mind a few defects if they get fixed. I don't like driving 10-20,000 miles with annoying but not life-threatening problems only to get brushed off by the dealers despite multiple visits.
If they want a mid-sizer, they could go with a year-old Malibu, but they could also get a brand-new Fusion for $14k, or a new Milan or Sonata for $15k, any of which would be a fine highway cruiser but with a known service history (new!), and good reliabiilty record, and full factory warranty.
They really seem to be all over the place on this car decision, don't they?
Haha, here's the deal:
When they started shopping for a car two months ago, their income was a good deal more than in it is now. Originally, they were looking for something comfortable first and foremost, with extra power a plus. Now that my mom has resigned her position at her job, the income has dropped off, but the need for a car has actually increased (she worked from home). Now, their budget has dropped off by about $10k, and fuel economy is more important.
I've mentioned the Fusion and Taurus before and they just can't get past the "bling bling front end and cheesy tail lights."
So, you summed it up really well actually; they're in a position they've never been in, and aren't sure what vehicle will fit their needs and budget best; a lightly used bigger car or a fuel-sipping new small car. I'm doing my best to shop around and present info to them (I like doing it so it's no biggie). Sorry if I'm all over the board as well; I just hope it at least makes for interesting conversation!
FWIW, the 2006 Elantra GLS is a very smooth-riding, roomy, quiet, and comfortable small car. It has more traditional styling that some like a lot better than the 2007+ Elantras. It is Edmunds.com's top choice in used small cars. I get mid-to-upper 30s mpg with the AT cruising on the highway ('04 GT). But the later 2006 Elantras got the updated engine that went into the 2007+ Elantras! Also, it comes in a 5-door hatch (GLS and GT trims), albeit with a tauter suspension and steering than the sedan, but with a very nice sport cloth or leather interior. There's also a Limited sedan with leather. Anyway, might be worth checking out--would be very inexpensive and might be to their liking. (Note the 2004-2006 Elantras are pretty similar, but for the money they might as well get the newest one they can find.) The one big down-side is that it doesn't have curtain airbags, so the IIHS side impact test score was Poor. Might be a deal-breaker for them.
Sorry if this has already has been covered but I'm looking for my own first car and could use a little help. Mostly it will be used for commute. It doesn't need to be super cool but if it doesn't look lame that's a plus. Currently driving a fricken minivan, not swell with the girlies lol. Anyway I just need something simple and reliable. I'd like ABS, cruise control, cd player and enough room for a 6'1-2 guy like myself but these aren't an absolute must. Unfortunately I do need an automatic as I have a hand/arms disorder where I get fatigued quick so I don't want to shift a bunch.
Currect top list-Kia Spectra, Hyundai Accent, Hyundai Elantra 01-04. My budget is the above listed 3-6k, does anyone have some good choices out there for me? Thanks much for any advice.
Wes
That likely would be. Safety, especially in a small car, is pretty high on the priority list. If they go for a small car, I imagine they'd end up in a new one, since the budget allows; but at this stage, who knows? Haha - I actually looked at a 2007 Versa 1.8S tonight at our local Dixie Nissan, here in the Birmingham metro. It had PW/PL 4-sp Auto, CD, no cruise control, and the asking price is $13,990. I guess that could be negotiated to $12k-$13k - It has 26k miles. That wouldn't be a bad vehicle!
Thanks for all the discussion!
Yes, that is one reason I am driving a Mazda6 . But how about the Milan?
With moon roof (I think you mentioned them wanting that) and auto, invoice on the I-4 is right around $20K, so with $2500 rebate plus $1000 conquest rebate, should be able to get one for $16,500 or less.
He ended up getting a 2001 Focus ZX3 with 85K mi for $4400, not a great deal but he hates shopping for cars, so he took it. He is 6' and is comfortable in it. Focus has average (average is pretty good these days) reliability, according to CR. I believe back in 2000-01 the Focus was also the top rated small car in CR road tests.
I think youngsters find the ZX3 version more attractive than the sedan. I know my son did, as despite his aversion to car shopping, he went out of his way to find a ZX3 rather than settle for a sedan.
Personally I'd get the ABS.
Here is what Edmunds has to say:
Standardized performance testing showed the 2007 Nissan Versa improved with age.
"At 16,000 miles the Versa's acceleration from zero to 60 mph took 9.4 seconds, 1/10th of a second quicker than during its first test at 1,000 miles. In the quarter-mile, the Versa lost 2/10ths of a second and more than 2 mph, recording a final mark of 17.2 seconds at 80.2 mph.
"Most remarkable is the Versa's improvement in braking performance. The distance required to stop from 60 mph shrank from 152 feet to 135 feet. We attribute this to normal brake pad break-in and the lack of optional ABS on our Versa. As a side note, an ABS-equipped 2007 Nissan Versa in a prior test needed only 123 feet to stop."
So the improvement in braking performance is substantial, and I can't explain Consumer Reports results - maybe they test performance parameters first.
Backy was right, that the ABS version is a better stopped from the get-go.
The Scion:
Quick enough, about the same about of noise as the Civic mom and dad currently drive, although my head was in the ceiling in the back seat. I never actually drove either of them, but mom and dad's comments said a lot. The room was ok-ish, the stereo was great, and they felt this car was the best they had driven (effectively writing the Accent off their list).
The Versa:
We went by the Nissan dealer nearby, and drove a Versa S, with the Power Package ($15,400 MSRP). The Versa had enough room for me to sit in the back seat with the front seat all the way back, and my head was out of the roof. The 4-speed automatic was smooth, and the interior was quieter than the Civic. They are excited about the Versa, and will likely go back to drive a CVT model, so that they can get the center armrest. He's just not sure about the CVT yet.
Frankly, the Versa caught them by surprise, especially since I practically made them stop by and look at it.
Plus there's many other comfort/convenience features in the SL, including a rear center armrest.
If they do mostly highway driving, they might prefer the S with its 4AT. In tests done by C/D, the 4AT got better fuel economy on the highway than the CVT.
I got to take an Aveo 5-door around Chicago for a day last week. I lost the car rental lottery. That is where you reserve a "compact" car, and hope to either get the free 1-class upgrade ("sorry, no bigger cars available") or a compact like the Elantra. I got the Aveo. It was bright yellow with a black interior. In fact, it looked just like the photo to the right! At least it had power windows and locks--the last Aveo I rented had neither. The ride was pretty smooth for a small car, and it had enough power for around-town driving. But I wouldn't buy one. Lack of curtain airbags, cheap interior materials, tiny cargo hold with the rear seats up, and not high enough fuel economy for its size are the main reasons. I'd rather spend the extra money for something like the Fit.
Looking to make a deal on an Elantra next month for the older girl but want her to check out the Versa and the Spectra 1st and go from there. Will also throw in a Suzuki in the mix since they have them right there so she can have a good comparison between these small entry level cars. The Accent didn't appeal to her or I would've had two parked in the garage now...which was the original plan.
The Sandman
I see the Kia Rio has been updated?
It's funny though that the Echo, Forenza and Spectra are still on the right. I guess our Hosts have given up on this discussion also!
There is some excitement coming soon to this space: Cruze, Festiva, all-new Accent, and (I think) the Mazda2. Maybe others?
The new Aveo?
Not likely. http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/01/chevrolet-aveo-rs/
Edmunds Straightline Blog has more info.
Sheesh, sorry for the rambles. I'm cranked up today.
Even though I won't be in the market for awhile, I'm quite curious to see the new Civic and how it looks inside and out. Still love the car and trying to get the wife to consider one inn 2011.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
http://www.autospies.com/news/2011-Hyundai-Accent-Sedan-Spotted-Baby-Genesis-in-- Utero-all-Camo-ed-up-48407/
Note the family resemblance to the 2011 Sonata and the upcoming Elantra. The part about 140 hp with no sacrifice in FE sounds really enticing--although personally I'd rather have more like 120 hp with 40 mpg. I hope the structure on the new Accent is a lot better than on the current car. We'll probably see standard ESC on this new Accent too, since it will be mandatory by 2012.
It handles like it is on rails, granted the suspension is slightly more stiff than my old car this one is great in the snow!
2001 Elantra GLS, purchased new in October 2000, sold to my sister five years ago. Still going strong, about 80k miles, no major work except regular maintenance and a clutch replacement after my wife and son worked together to destroy it six years ago.
2004 Elantra GT, purchased new in March 2004, 61k miles, still drives like new (60k service increased the mpg about 10%, gets 37 mpg on the highway now). No major work except regular maintenance; replaced rear brakes at 45k, fronts still have 70% left.
2007 Sonata GLS, purchased used in November 2009, 51k miles, still looks and drives great. Still under factory warranty. Had to replace the driver's recliner switch (warranty), that's about it except regular maintenance.
I've owned Hondas, Toyotas, and Nissans (leasing a Sentra now, nice car) and they were all pretty reliable, but no more so than the 3 Korean cars I've owned.
In short... it's 2011 now, not the '80s and '90s anymore. Different world out there.
The Chevrolet Aveo is really a re-badged Daewoo Kalos, it's Daewoo-designed, just warmed over by Chevrolet for their customers' consumption. GM bought Daewoo round about 2000 and made a company to be plopped in South Korea called GM Daewoo Auto and Technology Company.
This was one of the halo cars produced by that "marriage" of companies. But it's a GM-run Company, make no fidgety mistakes here.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
I have looked at them recently and they are better. I would not say they are made a like a Tyota. But they arent radiactive!
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It was to be called the Toylette.
So now we have the actuality of an American Version of a DaEwOo.
It's called the AVEO. And it's a pretty good car.
The Aveo was no better than passable when it debuted years ago. Now it's hopelessly outclassed by every other car in its class. I've had to suffer through a few Aveo rentals. They brought new meaning to the term "penalty box". These days, I physically recoil when I see a Yaris waiting for me at the rental car lot. I always try to get out of it (easier since I asked Hertz to put "No Yaris!" in my profile). But the Aveo is worse. Much worse.
I found out my two year old Yaris is worth MORE than what I paid for it. First car I ever had that did that...