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Everyone... I paid $26,000 for mine. Don't expect to get it much lower than that.
unless you go to New Jersey
Hope this helps...
VSA® enhances stability by detecting oversteer or understeer, and by braking individual wheels and/or reducing throttle to help restore the driver's intended path of travel.
Everyone... I paid $26,000 for mine. Don't expect to get it much lower than that.
Invoice on an EX V6 w/NAV appears to be $26,470 - not $25,995,unless this was a pre-price increase car and I didn't think any went up that much (the Feb I4 increase was $100 and V-6 $150).
Anyway, there is a $750 dealer incentive right now plus the hold back (3% of the $29,365 MSRP) so $26,470 - $750 - $880 = $24,840 true dealer cost.
$24,495 does not seem a plausible number - unless the MSRP of that car was a lot lower.
There IS however, a ton of room between $24,840 and what you paid at $26,000. So I would expect someone else could do better, with a more aggressive dealer.
Dennis
FWW, I always use carsdirect.com for a good idea out how prices are doing on a model. If there is a dealer around selling for cheap, they usually are in contact with carsdirect and the price will show up there.
Dennis
I got quotes for the same car (LX I4 w/auto) for this month of $18,037 and $18,200 - this includes the car, destination, and dealer fees. I think some NJ dealers may even be able to beat these deals by a little bit.
You ask which one to get on the Accord forum, I am sure you know what the answer will be here
Get the Accord, hard to go wrong at just over $18k including dealer fees.
Dennis
Just want to take this opportunity to thank everyone for sharing their experiences and for all the valuable tips.
I have seen some of the silly low prices in the Grand Honda ads, but from what folks have posted trying to get OUT of the dealership with those prices can be tough
Dennis
VSA® enhances stability by detecting oversteer or understeer, and by braking individual wheels and/or reducing throttle to help restore the driver's intended path of travel
A very worthwhile feature to have on a RWD drive or a tippy AWD SUV.
Not as CRUCIAL on a FWD car, however.
With RWD you get into a corner and the car is in oversteer (rear end coming around) and your first instinct is to lift. If you do, the rear can snap around. Ditto if you are in understeer (plow) you can lift, but lift too fast and the RWD car can transition to oversteer.
With a FWD car it is really tough to get one to rotate at all, most all just have lots of understeer. With FWD no matter what is "wrong" lifting off the throttle will pretty much solve the problem.
We HOPE that Honda will add this to all the Accords and even Civics next year, but I don't think anyone here KNOWS they will. It could also be only the V-6 Accords get it (like they have traction control).
If you are in the market for a car now, and can get one for more than $1k under invoice I don't know if I would wait for September to see what Honda MIGHT put on some of the cars. You might have to wait until this time next year to get an 06 this cheap. We just don't know.
VSA is a great thing, but I would not let the lack of it on an Accord NOW stop from getting a super deal now.
Dennis
All of our numbers vary a little bit about what true invoice is. I care about what invoice & msrp is and what kind of deal I can get based off of invoice. The incentive they get belongs to them. With my research I came up with $25,995 + 545 freight = $26,540.00. I honestly paid 26k for mine so I feel I got it for $540 below invoice or paid no freight however you want to look at it. Thats a FAIR price. I want people to know what they can realistically expect to pay for a car, not a fairytale price.
I could have haggled a bunch to get it maybe a couple hundred lower but honestly it's just not worth the time. Everyone has to make a buck in this world.
What dealer in AZ was willing to match a NJ price? I am finding that the lowest price I can negotiate in AZ on a LX with auto is $18,200 plus $295 doc fee.
I need some help!
cheapisgood
Since everyone has to pay the destination charge, and it is the same dealer cost as MSRP, so it should be including in the prices you post. My numbers show $515 for the Accord destination charge.
If you paid $26,000 including the destination and no dealer/doc fees that is a decent price for the car.
With your "the incentive they get belongs to them" attitude I would love to be your car salesman, since you will often pay too much for a car. Right now there are cars with $4k or more dealer incentives on them. If you were decide to get one of those you would make some dealer VERY happy.
Dennis
NJ Tire Fee?
Documentation?
Financed over 4 years at 2.9%, it works out to about $3.xx dollars per month but what the hell - I have him on the ropes so I've asked for clarification
VEHICLE SELLING PRICE: $21,741
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+ Destination: $515.00
+ Options: $0.00
- Trade Value: $0.00
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TOTAL VEHICLE SELLING PRICE: $22,256
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+ Sales Tax: $1335.36 (NJ)
+ Documentation: $198.00
+ Motor Vehicle: $242.00
+ NJ Tire Fee: $7.50
+ Trade Payoff: $0.00
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TOTAL PRICE: $24,038.86
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OUR PRICE GUARANTEE
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If you find a competitor offering a lower price on the same in-stock vehicle make, model, and trim level, we will not only match the price but beat it by $100.
I called up Boch, and Herb, and HondaBoston.
boch was 17780(including destination charge)
herb was 17500(including destination charge)
Hondaboston 171000(including destinatoin charge)
what do you guy think about this?
I hopt those prices are real... I will certainly go with HondaBoston if their quote is real and actually, i called back a couple times to double triple checked the price and fees. and they told me the price is firm and only good for today.
what do you guys think about this?
should i take it?
thanks
Folks have posted here that they got cars from Boch and had no funny biz on the deals - can't say about the others.
Dennis
I just got another call from herb, they told me I won't get my 750 incent to dealer discount because they are far away to get the incentive back from manufacturer. i was told that honda set a quota for selling 120 accord/civic to get the 750 cash back from dealer. he told me that no one in the MA area can get that number...
is that true?
someone is lying here... anyway, i asked hondaboston to write offer letter with the price that he quote me and signed it, then fax it to me. i guess if hondaboston change their mind on their quote, i am walking out right away...
what do you guys think?
Something doesn't add up here. Are you sure this is the 05' EX V6 w/ NAV? The leather already comes with the EX V6. Before TTL (tax, title and license), the price they're quoting would be $22,454 ($21,741 + $515 destination + $198 documentation). This would be roughly $4,000 below invoice as the invoice for this model is $26,471 (including destination). No way!! Even without the NAV this price would be hard to believe. If this is true, I would hurry and take it.
Just got awesome deal. Had to grind em, took 2 in & out visits w/phone calls in between, made them clear that were price-shopping, and they called back to get us in for 3rd visit, and struck a deal.
Ordered an Accord EX V6 Coupe, Auto, Sapphire Blue/Black Leather, inlcudes Honda Accessories - Wing Spoiler, Fog Lights, Auto Day/Night Mirror - the 3 add to $1080 retail before tax & installation, dealers advertise them installed at up to $2000 - rediculous. I found them for $780 online for the parts & used as bargaining with included installation, this stuff costs them way less.
It all came out to $25,300 TOTAL out the door in NJ, includes all accessories, taxes, fees, etc. 2005 post-price increase model, new. They did not have the color in stock, so they have to trade it from another dealer. Will see if any tricks are planned for when we pick it up, hopefully this week. The breakdown is $23,356 for the car including accessories, plus 6% NJ tax, plus $54 credit check fee, plus $54 co-applicant credit check fee, plus $190 Document Fee, plus $242 DMV. The credit & doc fees are B.S., but price is low so fees won't be dropped. Trying to get them to flatbed the car from other dealer rather than have it driven, still trying to work that out, using fees as reasonable bargaining chips. Already signed to locate car and struck deal though. Forgot to ask about the drive/truck trade situation before-hand. Oh well...
Anyhow, invoice minus holdback, minus $750 incentive is easy to get right off the bat, just mention it flat out...offer lowest internet price for accessories, and ask for included installation. Don't pay for any accessories that they may have pre-installed, you didn't ask for them. Then wait a day or two to get an even lower price by attempting counter-offers. It works, our accessories were pretty much "free" if you calculate the car's invoice minus holdback minus $750 incentive. The B.S. fees probably just covered their cost on the 3 accessories that we wanted. After you do that whole process, you can't ask for a much better deal....
I thought I corrected that posting - you're correct, that pricing is for the 4 Cylinder - not the 6 cylinder. They want $21,741 + $515 + $198 Documentation for the 4 Cylinder Sedan w/ Leather & NAV.
I pulled the edmunds Info Pack which reflected an invoice price of $23,934 (plus $515) and then pulled the Consumer Reports run which showed a Wholesale Price of $22,956 (after $774 dealer holdback)
You're correct - the $21,741 is a steal.
To make matters even better, I shot a note to a few more dealers in the NNJ area and so far one called me back 3 times since 4 pm today and, eventually, told me that he spoke to his manager who advised that they would beat my best deal (and they knew of the pricing scheme above).
Now my only "problem" is trying to find this car with a manual transmission - apparently, they are next to impossible to find.
I'm mistaken, my final problem is going to be deciding which color to get - I like the Black/Ivory but everyone is trying to talk me out of it
Sorry for the misinformation earlier.... I'll keep you posted
so here is the ending of my story on conquesting the new accord.
I actually went into hondaboston, and they showed the car, and I double tripled check the vin number of the car, and made sure it's 2005, and it's automatic with just 2miles on the car.. so the price is real and here is the break down
$17000 including destination charge,
$280 for all the doc fee and registration fee.
$850 for MA tax 5%
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$18130 OTD price, signed the paper and picking up the car tomorrow...
Man, it was a smooth sailing all the way.
Now coming thinking about this whole car shopping expereince, it isn't bad at all.
so the incrediables does exist... the key is "just have to shop around".
Hope this Helps for guys like me wanting to buy a new car now!!!!!
Cheers
Man, for an LX that is a smoking price. The current invoice is $19,034 - $750 incentive - $632 holdback = $17,652
So they are losing money on the deal. Must be going to make it up in volume
There has to be a northeast extra incentive we have not heard of before.
Dennis
I enjoy your postings. They are very insightful. Like you said, the most plausible explanation (if in fact this in an LX 4) is some sort of additional incentive we're not privy to. If they loose $650 on each car they sell, I'm not sure how they can make it up in volume...
Joon
The money/volume is an old joke: "Yes, we lose money on every sale, but we make it up in volume."
Seems like a line from an Abbott and Costello movie, doesn't it? But we know it is no way to run a car dealership....
Dennis
Dobbs Honda in Tucson. I will give you the sales person's name if you are interested.
Good luck.
It's REAL, so... your guys out there should try for it... the Incrediable does exist!
it's end of the month sale, anything is possible. I guess I just got lucky...
actually, after i finished my checking, i handed the saleman's a good thank you letter.
I am sure they will make money, it's definatley something else out there to keep them selling like this.
one more observation today, there were other 4 accord waiting for pick up today...
i guess they are really selling them like a hot cakes..
I am glad it's over... and i finally got the car that i wanted for a steal price..
thanks for all your guys help.
if i werenot reading the posting on this site, i would never know what the bottomline price would be for a car like accord.
thanks again..
i am a happy man!!!
Heck, you could read this forum and STILL not know you would get a better deal. Pretty hard to hammer the dealer's price lower when they are selling you a car and APPEAR to be losing money doing it????
Did I ask if you had a trade in or not?
Dennis
what i learned was, after we signed the purchase agreement.
i asked for low finanicing, and they told me i will be qualify for the low finiancing as well.
so hey, what heck? it's alway better to keep money in my own pocket before giving out in one shoot. so i asked for 1.9% finiancing through honda. i told them if i amnot egliable for 1.9. i would pay cash.. so they tried for low finiaing and it worked.
i got approved for 48 mon 1.9% as well. so i put down 3000, and loan for 15000. and the total interests i will be paying is just about 600. pretty good deal, ai?
i think the dealer will spilit that interested with honda finiacial bank. so i dont really feel bad for them at all... it's my way of saying thank you for the lower offer.
anyway, deals are out there. keep trying...
one more thing i want to add, i contacted about 10 honda dealer in boston region. i believe the more you try, the better chance you get. who knows...
hope this helps.
On the issue of financing, is anybody aware of any real good deals out there for people with excellent credits? I checked today with Capital One, E-Loan and even my bank, and they are all offering pretty much identical rates on their websites: 4.49% up to 36 months, 5.25% up to 60 months and 5.95% up to 72 months. If anyone out there has been able to find a better rate recently (last few weeks), I would appreciate it if you could share it here. Thanks.
Congrats on your new car. You must have an excellent credit. The best I've read in recent postings in this forum was 2.9% for 48 months or 1.9% for 36 months.
On the issue of financing, is anybody aware of any real good deals out there for people with excellent credits? I checked today with Capital One, E-Loan and even my bank, and they are all offering pretty much identical rates on their websites: 4.49% up to 36 months, 5.25% up to 60 months and 5.95% up to 72 months. If anyone out there has been able to find a better rate recently (last few weeks), I would appreciate it if you could share it here. Thanks.
I could use the sales person's name. Run the numbers again that you obtained.
A trip to Tucson will not kill me.
Thank you
Cheapisgood
I guess although they will loose money on this sale, they will make it up in volume... just an inside joke... sort of...
The numbers are in post #7423. If you give me your email address, I will email the name to you. it's not allowed to post names of sales people on this forum.
22,654 (this quote was honored and stuck with from the moment i entered till i left
515 Destination
198 Doc Fee
242 MVF
This would have been the final deal + 6% sales tax BUT I added a trade in so,
for a $11,655 pay off , they gave me 7500 as the value of my trade in. Another dealer appraised my car at 8500 but also charged much more for the 2005.
So I gave a downpayment of 2200 and the taxable amount went down because of the trade. All things considered did I do ok?
I think I basically came out to owing as much as I would if I payed invoice price, with no trade.
Feedback would be greatly appreciated.
I calculate the true delaer cost as: 24673 (invoice) - 820 (holdback) - 600 (est. incentive) = 23250. At $24372, I would estimate Hopkins made $1119 on the deal. If you don't mind me asking, did you get Honda financing?
Did you check with other dealers in the T-C area?
Go for the V6. The acceleration is much better. On 87 octane gas, my V6 goes 0-60 in about 7 sec. This is not race car performance by any stretch, but it will get you onto the highway from the on-ramp with confidence. The gas mileage for the V6 is only 2-3 MPG lower than the L4.
You can do better. Calculate the NET dealer cost and make an offer that you feel is fair to a number of dealers. I made my offer to 3 dealers via e-mail on a Friday. One quoted me a higher price (I passed of course). One accepted my offer and got the sale on Saturday. The third called me on the Monday after I bought the car and told me he just got the e-mail 'cause their webmaster was out sick on Friday. I told him that I already bought the car and that they should have someone else checking e-mail. Wake up, it's the information age!!!!
Just my opinion.
Model MSRP HP 0-60 CR MPG
Honda Accord EX (4-cyl.) $23,515 160 9.0 24
Honda Accord EX (V6) $27,365 240 7.4 23
Honda Accord Hybrid $30,655 255 6.9 25
Note that the EX V-6 price includes leather, so the actual MSRP difference VS an I4 EX w/leather is $2,250.
The V-6 in EX trims looks to weigh in 181 lbs more than the I4. The V-6 has traction control, the I4 models do not.
The V-6 is a good bit quicker without too much of a fuel penalty, but a good size price penalty.
If you drive the I4 first and it has enough power during the test drive - including merging onto a freeway, then don't even drive the V-6.
Dennis
Or maybe we can figure out something with NJ... though I'm very hesitant about buying without seeing the actual vehicle first. Anyone else have info on Open Road? How do they get their prices so low????
22,654 (this quote was honored and stuck with from the moment i entered till i left
515 Destination
198 Doc Fee
242 MVF
This would have been the final deal + 6% sales tax BUT I added a trade in so,
for a $11,655 pay off , they gave me 7500 as the value of my trade in. Another dealer appraised my car at 8500 but also charged much more for the 2005.
So I gave a downpayment of 2200 and the taxable amount went down because of the trade. All things considered did I do ok?
I think I basically came out to owing as much as I would if I payed invoice price, with no trade.
Feedback would be greatly appreciated.