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To help in the buying process, I need some clarification on the Odyssey powertrain warranty. It is my understanding that the 2001’s are covered for a 7 yr/100k mi. Is this warranty valid regardless of where you buy the car? I test drove a 2001 a few days ago at a Honda dealer. It carried the warranty. However, they are asking top $$. If I buy from a private owner – or have my friend that works for a used car dealer buy one from the wholesale auction for me – is it still covered?
I loved the Honda, as did the wife and kids, but I can’t see myself paying the extra $$ for the Honda name if there is a good chance I’ll get stuck with a $3000 price tag for a reman tranny.
Any info would be much appreciated.
I own '01 Odyssey. The extended warranty from Honda covers 7yr/100K miles on auto tranny and torque converter (not entire powertrain!). This counts from the original day of sales. This warranty is transferable. With new '05 Ody coming out in Oct, you will see many older Ody put up for sales. That would be a good time to buy used ones.
My co-worker has a 2000 Ody and mine is '01. We both have front pads replaced at around 35K miles. Front tires wore out before 40K. Those are what you expect from heavy vehicles and mildly spirited driving. Occasionally the sliding doors would act up and need attention (oil, pushing, etc.). That is about all issues I ever had, as you can expect from Honda.
However, 2002 had many improvements over 2001 and before. I highly recommend 2002 model.
- 4-wheel disc brake vs. disc-drum
- 5-speed tranny (unfortunately had some recall recently) vs 4-speed
- more isolation (quieter)
- amber signal lights (if you like that) vs red
Overall, I liked the Windstar, but feel, after owning both for 2 years, that the Ody is a better designed, engineered & better built vehicle. If you choose the Ody, go with an '02. We looked at both (model year changeover) when replacing the Windstar, and the '02 had so many improvements at very little additional cost ($300, IIRC - remember that at the time everything was sold at MSRP), that it was a no-brainer.
And this might cause controversy here, but consider an extended warr on either if you are worried that somebody dumped it because they knew something that you don't. You can get the Honda for around $900 or so on the web - extending most items to 7yr/100k miles. Piece of mind, if nothing else. Best of luck!
Steve
I would suspect that finding parts for that new a van would be difficult, If anybody had them, Brandywine should. That said, there is also a Truck Salvage yard in Bowie on Rte 3N. It is called Bowie Auto Van and Truck parts.
Thanks also to fibber2 and grandtotal. I would love to get into an '02 Ody, but they are above my price range.
Same deal, ours went to 2 different dealerships.
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You will be told that books don't buy cars, people do. A 130K vehicle - even an Odyssey - doesn't excite most folks. It's a wholesale piece to a dealer.
Good Luck.
I've never traded my old cars when I bought new from a dealer- always sold them myself. Sold my '89 Maxima w/ 160K on the clock for $4500.00 in 1995, '93 Nissan P/U with 135K miles for $4950.00 in 1997. Just thought I'd give the dealer a stab at it this time- big mistake. I'll definately be selling it myself when the time comes.
Always heard Used Cars side of the dealership is the real profit center. Now I believe it! Makes me wonder how many people out there are getting robbed blind on their trade.
Have you tried the Honda dealer to get his trade in value of your 2000 Odyssey on a new 2004 Odyssey? A Honda dealer would probably offer you the REAL trade in value.
Is Hansienna a Honda salesperson or dealership owner?
Trade-in value can vary by thousands of dollars from one dealership to another. There are people who like a dealership or salesman and will request notification if a certain vehicle becomes available as a trade-in. In this situation, the dealership can offer alot more money for the trade-in which will not be sitting on the lot for months.
I have not yet owned a Honda. My son has a 2001 Odyssey EX that has impressed me with seat comfort, seating flexibility with 2nd row seating, and the "Magic Seat" to offer extra cargo space even though the Odyssey has a very large cargo space with 3rd row seat carrying 3 passengers.
Whoever appraised it was way off the mark.
You can, however, throw the "books" out the window when they have miles that high. Be thankful it's a Honda and not a high mile domestic.
It'll be very hard to sell. If a buyer who isn't afraid can buy it for well less than book, it'll eventually sell.
There are plenty of people that would love to have a Honda Odyssey for their family, but can only afford around the 10k range or less.
If the 2000 Odyssey had 60,000 miles, the dealer would probably pay "high trade-in" which would still be much less than private party or dealer retail for a used vehicle.
I doubt seriously if you will save anywhere near that kind of money. You MAY save a few hundred, but is it worth that time and effort?
Whatever you do, move quickly, inventories are quickly becoming depleted.
I feel it best to buy from the dealer who will be able to provide convenient service and warranty work (if needed).
for many others, however, PRICE is the ONLY thing that matters. You would not believe what I have seen people put themselves through in their tireless quest to get the "best" price.
To each his own...life is short.
I see a difference in price of at least $1500 even today between the local dealer and some of the out-of-town dealers. If I can save that money why not?
I agree with your statement "to each his own".
I think if Aristotle had wanted advice about whether buying out of state was worth it, then that question would have been asked.
Steve, Host
Back in 1999 and 2000, the Odysseys were brand new and they were selling much faster than the dealers could keep them in stock. Discounts were few and far between and for good reason. Why discount what you don't have?
At that time, there was a dealer in Oklahoma who was selling EVERYTHING including Odysseys for something like 316.00 over invoice. A few people got lucky, drove or flew there and took advantage of this. I know of a lady from Seattle who made the trip. Yes, they literally saved thousands of dollars. Aristotle was one of the lucky ones who got an Odyssey this way.
And, at the time, in these forums, asked the question...WHY? Why would a dealer do such a thing especially knowing these would, in most cases, be sales to customers they would never see again? If they wanted to do this, why not restrict these low profit sales to their local customer base?
Well, thanks to forums like this one, that small OK dealer created a monster for themselves and got hammered with orders for Odysseys they couldn't produce. They wisely changed their program.
But, for the time being, similar deals can be had at your local dealer! The market always changes and for the tiem being, while quanities last, it's a buyer's market! Enjoy!
Hope I answered the question this time now that I understand what happened the first time!
Aristotle's still seeing a difference in price of at least $1500 even today between the local dealer and some of the out-of-town dealers.
"Toyota's sales rose 18 percent in July, Nissan's gained 36 percent and Honda, fifth in U.S. sales, reported a 1.1-percent increase." (The Car Connection). It may not be incentive time for Honda, but someone must be dealing with those lackluster sales figures.
We want to find out who those dealers are!
And let everyone know over in Honda Odyssey: Prices Paid & Buying Experience :-)
Steve, Host
Honda has had some record setting months lately whereas Nissan has nowhere to go but up. Not to mention there are ads in the Atlanta paper for $19.5 Titans and $16.4 Altimas.
Toyota is on another planet lately. There's no stopping them.
Toyota has a reputation for reliability but with so many UGLY vehicles, many people will settle for slightly lower reliability in order to drive an attractive vehicle.
Honda has 2 successful attractive vehicles: CR-V, and Civic in addition to the now "not-so-attractive" Accord.
If you want to break it down to models...The Prius, Tc(actually all Scion models are doing fine for themselves), Camry, LS400, RX330 to name a few.
I can't park my '00 EX on my driveway and keep either of the front doors open without taking the chance of gravity slamming them shut again. And after almost 4 years, I STILL forget about it, and get body slammed by the door while I'm standing outside and reaching over the seat to retrieve something. I can't remember any of my other cars doing this. Does anyone else have this problem?
It causes the Two Way Valve and By Pass Solenoid to fail, Parts 17012-S10-L01 and 17371-SOX-A02. You will notice when you pull away from the service station, after you fill up that your check engine light comes on. That is because you over filled your gas tank. It can be caused by your over filling the gas tank, or a defective gas nozzle, which lets the tank fill too full, before it shuts off. If it is a defective nozzle, you will not know it, as it does not cause the gas to spill out.
In my case it was a defective gas nozzle hose at the Chevron service station that caused the problem. I notice that many of the nozzle hoses, at the Chevron service stations, in my city, have out of order signs on them. That's because they are leaking, but I don't know if they all have the overfill problem. It does appear however that they recently went to a new nozzle type.
My Honda dealer is getting 20 of these failures a week.
Honda's pretty careful about releasing their TSB's although the NHTSA and Edmunds have summaries (Edmunds Maintenance Guide). Honda doesn't allow Alldata.com to publish Honda TSB text.
Steve, Host
In Money Magazine for September. It is three pages, with details. Don't know if this has been posted before, as I have not read this board in a long time. Received the magazine on 08/12/04, in the mail It is their pick for the top minivan.
Lots of improvements. Honda says about $3,000 worth of improvements for about the same price, as last year. Roomer third seat 60/40, and it folds. Quieter, safer, more horsepower, better gasoline mileage, from an improved engine design. Improved DVD system. Improved navigation system.
They did not have one bad thing to say about it. In fact it was their top pick for minivans by far. They also compared it to the other minivans.
They say, "Bottom Line: Brilliantly designed, the high-value Honda becomes MONEY's top rated van."
I expect a pick up in activity on this board, when it comes out, as it is going to be the minivan, customers are going to want to have. If your going to be a car salesman, then you will want to sell these, as it looks like they will sell themselves.
Steve, Host
In case you missed it today:
First Drive: 2005 Honda Odyssey
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Forget snow!!! How about a thunderstorm.
AWD should be an option. Why Honda did you miss this? This is too important to be over looked.
I am really shocked Honda didn't match the AWD feature. It's a safety issue, and the main reason for me to go to Sienna.
Get stuck in a major storm. My son spun out and fractured his skull with FWD, now everyone in my family will drive with AWD and Side Air Bags.
AWD should be a major feature in everyone’s purchase. It is too important a safety feature to simply gloss over and ignore. Lack of AWD is simply shameful for a so called “Car Manufacturer concerned about Safety ”
Come on Honda, you can do better than this!!!
Put AWD as an option!!!!