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Honda Odyssey: Problems & Solutions:(1995-2004 Models)
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I tried to goggle the service bulletins online but have been unsucessful so far. Hope this helps
Just wondering if anybody was having the same situation and what the possible root cause it is.
My Odyssey's instrument panel indicators (door indicators, air-bag indicator, seat belt indicator) flashed once about 3 weeks ago while I was driving. I brought it to the dealer and nothing negative was found. Today on my way work, it happened three times. With a blink of eye, everything was back to normal. Five or ten minutes later, it flashed again.
Can anybody tell me what can possiblily cause this? Loose connection or wiring problem, or something else?
Thank you so much. :mad:
After you driving to the dealer, the self check was already done - that's why he cannot hear it.
i am no expert - but someone needs to provide you some response. so here is some general information which i hope is helpful. apologies to the engine experts out there...maybe this will get the ball rolling and someone will answer this question more accurately and correct me if i err...
i've had a vehicle with an "interference design" break a timing belt and the results were not good...bent valves... because in an interference design engine, when the timing belt goes, the sequencing of the pistons moving up and down in their cylinders, and the valves opening and closing to pull in air, then stay closed during compression and combustion, and then open again to exist combustion gasses, then repeat the cycle, gets out of step.... when that happens, as the pistons get near the top of their stroke in their respective cylinders, they make contact with the valves that are now at the wrong position at the wrong time. there's the interference...the pistons and the valves occupy the same space (but at different times) and its the timing belt that keeps the pistons and valve action marching to the proper beat.
personally, i sold the vehicle because the cost to repair was prohibitive. i believe the mechanics that looked at my vehicle said it would involve new valves at the very least and a new top end to the engine (potentially)...
i think by the latter, they meant that the cylinders would potentially have to be re-machined (the diameters made true (uniform) on a special machine and made very slightly larger than before the mishap) and with that corresponding new piston rings to fit so that everything was matched and the motor didn't consume oil as it ran.
The pistons ride up and down in the cylinders, with their rings sliding on a very thin film of oil - and if the cylinder is not true, or the rings not sized appropriately then more than a thin film of oil is required as the pistons ride up and down, and it gets consumed at an atypical rate (the exact mechanism i'm not sure, probably it's partially burned). They also want to make sure that the piston, rings, cylinder and corresponding valves develop the proper compression (ability to take air at ambient conditions and raise it in pressure to the proper amount that when combined with fuel and spark, each cylinder does it's proper and a balanced amount of work).
so probably, no one can tell you how much damage there is unless the top of the engine is taken off and they examine it - and possibly until it is partially repaired.
i think these articles might be helpful to you (i hope in this case it is acceptable to post these links for you without violating the rules):
http://www.cartalk.com/content/columns/Archive/2000/May/09.html
http://www.2carpros.com/topics/valves.htm
so the answer to your first question is unfortunately yes, more than the broken timing belt can be damaged in the process.
as to your second question - if i were you, i'd probably go to an independant shop and inquire with a knowlegeable mechanic servicing Honda vehicles what the potential damage may be and how much it might cost to repair. maybe it's just a new belt, maybe it's a belt and valves, maybe it's a belt, valves, and re-machined top end, or maybe it's a replacement engine.
you are smart to acquire information before they attempt repair so you understand the extent of potential damage, and i hope the dealer takes care of you.
good luck.
Drove for 55 minutes with the air on (no AC). Stopped at a red light for about 2 minutes. Here's the stats we got:
Air outside: 70F
Air Inside: 73F
Air coming from the vents: 74F
AC was off and we were pulling fresh air from outside
Hope this helps..
Did you see "AC Off" sign or jsut blank in your display pannel when you did the test drive?
What is the manufacture date of your Odyssey?
-Jason :confuse:
It affects 2000 through 2004 Odysseys as well as Pilots, Preludes, Accords, and Acuras.
http://www.cleveland.com/autonews/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/business/1117272771306010.xm- l&coll=2
One lady had the transmission on her 2001 Odyssey replaced FOUR times in less than 100k miles. They offered her an additional 75k warranty as opposed to replacing this "lemon".
I've had three recalls on my 2003 Odyssey since it was purchased in 02'. That is enough for me. Now I have two good reasons to switch to a Toyota Sienna.
The second reason is that I'm not at all happy with the service department where I purchased my Honda. They are in N.Olmsted,OH.
There is one sales rep in particular that I can "thank" for driving me away.
Each time I would bring my vehicle in, she insisted on calling me "Hon" or "Dear". I quietly asked her to address me by my last name instead. Her response to this civil request was to scream loudly at me (in front of other customers) "I call EVERYONE honey". She then accused me of calling her a lesbian. Her manager stood by and watched while she launched her abusive tirade. He did try to shush her up. Kept patting her on the back, pleading for her to "keep it down". When I asked him why he allows his personnel to speak to customers like this, his excuse was that she even talks to HIM like that.
I would have contacted the owner of the dealership if I had thought it would do any good. However, it will just be easier to trade in the Odyssey for a Sienna instead. I've already visited Toyota's service department. They assured me they don't employ individuals who behave like this towards customers who pay 30k+ for a vehicle.
I agree you are due some sort of compensation because it is a flawed paint job.How much is hard to say? I'd say at least $200....up to maybe $600.IMO
If not covered under warranty, these are easily accessible for quick replacement by a DIY mechanic.
Any ideas?
John
Tallahassee, FL
Needless to say, I was EXTREMELY :mad: upset when they told me it would be over $800 to replace the condenser which included $320 for the part, $50 for overnight shipping and the rest in labor. Normally I am pretty levelheaded about things but I nearly came unglued considering I paid list price for the vehicle AND purchased an extended warranty.
I wish this had happened at home for me to deal with my local dealership. I called my salesman on Saturday afternoon and to his credit I received a message today (Memorial day) that he would hopefully have an answer for me on Tuesday.
Enough of this particular situation. My reason for the post is to ask anyone else if:
a.) They have had a problem like this with the condenser
b.) Has anyone ever taken the time to look and see where it is located? :confuse:
In my humble opinion this is a poor design due to it's very close proximity to the ground and little if any protection from foreign object damage.
Wipers work most efficiently and quietly on wet glass with water acting as lubricant.
I never had any problems with radiators or condenser damage in our vehicles.
It's not the car's fault this happened anymore than it would be if the rock had hit your windshield.
I don't know that it's a "poor design". Most modern cars are built pretty much the same way. I know some people have hooked up screen mesh to prevent this from happening but my fear is that this may impede air glow to the radiator and condenser?
I realize you are upset but I think the chances of this happening again would be pretty slim.
We are currently getting an average of 18 mpg city or highway despite the sticker stating 22 mpg city & 28 mpg highway.
Two other couples with whom we are friends purchased 05 Odyssey's and both get around 30 mpg (straight off the lot).
We have had it in the dealership 4 times, full diagnostics, nothing. No check engine lights, nothing shows up despite the fact that we are getting 18 mpg.
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We've taken this to the Regional Manintenance Director for Honda and he has essentially told us that's the breaks to which I countered, 'you're telling me that I just bought an expensive gas burner?" 'I guess,' was his reply.
He offered to drive it this next Wednesday for the whole day exactly as the EPA suggests and see if he can get better gas mileage; if not, then we don't know what we are going to do.
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What has been the experience of others with the 05 Odyssey, what kind of gas mileage did you get?
Does anyone have suggestions as to how or what we so do with our Odyssey? Should we demand a new one?
Please let me know ASAP.
Thanks,
Darrell
I definitely wait until there is enough water on the rear window before starting the wiper. I learned very quickly that with just a mist it would "screech" at me. Now, I usually wait until there is a lot of water, run it for a couple of passes and then turn it off until very wet again.
I even tried bending the arm a little thinking that a change in angle might help. It didn't.
The 1,000's or 1,000,000's of holes in the mesh material are providing uninterrupted air flow. All insects and fine stones are trapped before the radiator.
Took it to the dealer I bought it from and he said the same thing about stone damage. To maintain good customer relations, the dealer picked up the whole tab , including two day's car rental before even telling me about it.
Hats off to Desert Honda, Las Vegas, NV.
Anyone else have this problem?
I brought our Odyssey to the Honda dealer Tuesday to eliminate the whistling noise coming from the driver’s side windshield area. After the repair, the technician mentioned that one of the clips holding the driver’s side windshield trim up against the windshield was missing but was later found located down in the wheel fender area. This was part of the problem. However, he said that the main problem was the windshield in this area was not properly sealed to the frame thus creating an area for wind to blow pass this area and into the Odyssey. This area received additional sealant and new clips to correct this defect. In the drive home last night and to work this morning, the noise so far has been eliminated but I’m still keeping my fingers crossed that this repair is a permanent fix.
The most disturbing thing I heard was that I overheard the technician mention that this was about the fifth time he has repaired this defect on 2005 Odysseys.
What does this say about Honda quality when owners who pay a premium for the Odyssey?
I purchased a new Honda to avoid inferior workmanship but now find that this has been a common defect .but not so much that it warrants a Honda Service Bulletin or better yet, not leaving the factory with such poor workmanship. Why isn’t Honda controlling their processes back at the factory?
I not ready to give up on Honda yet but the honeymoon is over. The lesson learned from the 2 trips and 5 hours of time at the dealership dealing with this factory defect is don’t believe the marketing; Honda Odysseys are not perfect.
One is best to avoid the first year model from any manufacturer and buy in the second year or later. The 2004 Quest was a great example.