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-Loren
Thoughts?
A ES 350 isn't a ELLPS car or is it now ? :confuse:
Rocky
When you say "The 335i will be much quicker ...", I assume that is because of the different engines. How do you think the 535i will compare to the 335i?
Thanks
Bruce
Best Regards,
Shipo
I do miss the days of sub 3000 lbs vehicles.
Not that it really matters, but when I compare the 335 to the competition its no heavier...they're all pretty portly...heck, even an 07 Rabbit 4 dr auto is just under 3000 lbs...and Rabbits are supposed to be paper weights.
:surprise: :surprise: :surprise:
How did the 3er got so heavy and why's the 5er so light?
-Loren
Best Regards,
Shipo
Best Regards,
Shipo
My left knee hits the door handle. The cockpit seems narrow. I'd wait to see the Caddy and hope to be surprised by it.
Bull. I am a strong promoter of lighter is better. I think a 3,300lb 350Z is indeed a "pig" compared to a 2,850 lb S2000. I think AWD at a 100-300+lb disadvantage is NOT a good tradeoff in a sports car or sports sedan.
But your claim that 50 lbs makes a "big difference" in the handling and road feel of a 3,500+ lb sport sedan is taking the point to the extreme. Not on any public roads, and probably not on a track. If it did, the car couldn't even make it around a corner loaded with 4 passengers.
As far as noticing 10 lbs in the trunk, double bull. Unless you have that bag bouncing around in .8g slalom turns, and hear it, there isn't a human being on earth that could tell it's there. The fuel tank in my 911 holds 16.8 gallons = 135 +/- lbs. I can tell the difference between full and empty, but not between 9/16 and 5/8. Crap, I've lost 8 pounds since the holidays and looking to drop another 20. I hope to feel a lot better driving my 911 if I get get my 6-pack back by spring, but the car won't perform any differently. How much does Schumacher weigh, anyways?
Congratulations on your recent engagement. Perhaps your post is attempted justification for you and your fiance to drive around naked, but I don't really think you have science or engineering on your side.
P.S. The lighter is better principle is one I fully agree with. The issue, IMHO, however, isn't that a 530i weighs 44 lbs more than a 330i, it's that a diminimus sized IS350 sedan weighs over a quarter ton more than my 5 passenger 1995 Nissan Maxima. 3,500 lbs seems to be the new standard, compared to 3,000 not that long ago.
So I checked:
http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/5/530iSedan/techdata.htm
3472 for a 530i manual.
http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/5/530iSedan/techdata.htm
3593 for the 335i sedan manual.
Oh my god! That's sick. There's something so wrong with what BMW has done to the 3 series. And for 2008 the 5 series will supposedly get the 3.0TT.
And yes the weight in the trunk is moving around - slamming from side to side which will naturally exacerbate the problem. A 20 lb bag of feline pine sliding back and forth on every corner...ugh.
The spongy suspension, the silent interior, the massive size, the clunking HVAC, the grinding brakes, the spotty comfort access...Feb of 2008 can't come soon enough for me.
Back when I had my S2000, I had it in for service and as it was being brought up to me, a guy comes over and asks, "hows the suspension on yours?" Fine I said and then he explained that his seemed to ride too low and would bottom out on his driveway. I sized him up to be about 6'2" and 230. I commented that he shouldn't have any trouble sinse the passneger capacity of the car was 400 lbs. Then his wife comes around the corner and must have been 5'10" and about 250. I wanted to stick around to see how they both fit in the car - but decided against watching that train wreck.
So I guess the only thing I could recommend for you two is to indeed drive naked. Even my gym clothes, running shoes and i-Pod add 3+ lbs to my weight. You may not feel the difference in the 330i, but it will make for more fun leisurely drives.
Navigation system
14 speakers + a truck load of subwoofers
A/C seats
The list goes on...
How can these cars not getting heavier and heavier. The new CTS is over 3,800 lbs. :surprise:
Continental GT also has “big everything” but I wouldn’t want to take one around a slalom (ok I would )
Rocky
The EVO Prototype-X :shades:
Guys this is IMHO the greatest foreign car ever made !!!!
I've swallowed the EVO-X hook......
Rocky
Geeez......I was just sharing some info on a new product and yes the "X" doesn't have standard Vinyl seats like some other cars we know of that are considered quote: "a luxury brand"
Rocky
Mistubishi Lancer EvoX
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/122116/2007_audi_rs4/
Over 500 lbs. difference only 80 more HP. It's a start.
Regards,
OW
Rocky
It's certainly okay for you to make a passing observation about an off-topic vehicle, but please don't insist that the vehicle then be included as a subject.
Let's invite everyone to join you here to discuss the Evo X Prototype: rcpax, "Mitsubishi Evo X Prototype" #1, 18 Dec 2006 8:05 pm.
Rocky
Perhaps because BMW's leatherette is of better quality than the Big Three's "fine Corinthian leather". Or because BMW puts their leatherette over seats that are attached to a chassis that has more engineering quality than anything ever produced by the Big Three.
You and I have sparred before on this. Could we agree that (1) You'll begrudgingly accept that "leather" isn't the holy grail of "luxury" and (2) I'll begrudgingly accept that Cadillac and Lincoln are accepted here as luxury brands even though their very best offerings are two rungs down from anything I'd ever be seen dead in. Or alive in.
If you think leather makes up for inferior build quality, exterior and interior designs that make most ELLPS buyers cringe, fit and finish that's marginal at best, and resale values that look like falling meteors...well that's your perogative. But I'd take a leatherette BMW (or 911, for that matter) over all of the dead cows in the world stuffed into a GM or Ford.
I think it's just a matter of keeping MSRP as low as possible, then zapping you with the options. When people hear leatherette, the knee jerk response is e-e-w-w-w-w. And if you mention leatherette to the sales people, they intimidate you with resale etc. Buyers will spend years trying to figure out how save money when getting a new car, but mention the L word and you get a catatonic stare. The thinking is that leatherette is tantamount to being castrated. You have to admit, the tactic works.
"Show me the MONEY!"
;-)
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Personally, I can't tell the difference and I've heard BMW pleather is more durable and easier to care for than the real stuff.
If and when I ever buy a new BMW, it will have pleather.
Sitting on plastic seat material or on plastic coated leather? What's the big difference?
It is like the fake wood on the dash compared to real wood on the dash which has had layers of plastic varnish sprayed on it and polished to a plastic like surface. Wood made to imitate plastic. Haha.
I suppose leather has more of a heat insulation factor which might make it comfortable sooner after entering a car than vinyl seats, that is, when your butt is at a temperature much different from the seat cushions