Lookout Ford, Dodge, Chevy: Here comes T150

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  • parkman50parkman50 Member Posts: 63
    I know this might not be for the T150 topic, but I can't understand these hybrid trucks.

    If you buy a Nissan crewcab, you get a couple of feet of bed. An SUV provides more interior room and (other than hauling cow droppings) gives you the same amount of Cargo utility (covered at that.) So why buy they hybrid? I would opt for the pathfinder and pull a trailer for the yard fix'ns.

    They might get away with it on fullsize trucks since it will probably reduce the bed to size of a mini-truck. But that is still reducing it's use to traditional truck buyers. I guess they must be looking at a new market.

    Time will tell.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    My Blazer works well for me, towing a motorcycle trailer, sometimes even camping in it. Still, I'm sick of being a trailer mechanic. Flats, wheel bearings, seals, lights, electrical etc. A truck with an open bed solves a lot of problems. I don't know any details of the Nissan. I've only seen it in pictures. I wish them the best but I think the F150 Super Crew is going to be hot. It will take market share from other segments including SUVs and extended cab trucks.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    The planned Dakota crew cab, with it's five foot bed will haul double what you can pack in an Explorer, 4runner or Pathfinder.

    I go camping, frequently, with a friend who drives an Explorer, it's comical watching him try and shove his gear in that thing. Then shove gear in the back seat crowding his poor kids! The Dakota I used to own with 6.5' bed could haul three times what his explorer could haul. I would guess the smaller bed of the CC Dakota could still haul double the typical SUV load.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    One of the advantages of a pickup (even with a small bed) over an SUV is that you can put stuff in the back that you wouldn't really want inside, such as wet gear, fish coolers and barbecue grills. One of the disadvantages is that the gear is not secure against theft or the elements unless you have a cover of some sort.
  • parkman50parkman50 Member Posts: 63
    The nissan crew cab will not hold one more grain of sand than my Mountaineer. And my Mountaineer has a 6500lb tow capacity (302V8) The Nissan's bed is maybe 3 feet long. 3 feet won't hold a four wheeler or a motorcycle like quadrunner500 mentioned. The bed is basically useless other than some bags of dirt for the yard. Picture it this way. It is half the size of a regular nissan frontier bed. Now that is small.

    Like I said, the F150 version maybe different. I haven't seen one up close yet. But I went and looked closely at the Nissan. Interior room (back seat) isn't as big an extended cab full size. I think they really missed the mark there.

    Oh well, sorry to stray everyone off topic. The T150 looks nice, but it still seems small to me. I do like the "outside" door handles for the rear doors.

    Happy motoring.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    The trucks I discussed had 5.5' bed and 6.5' bed. I understand your point about a three foot bed (also a narrower platform).

    I can guaranty a 5.5' bed will haul more stuff than any SUV, except possibly Suburban or Excursion. Add up the cubic feet.
  • rubluetoorubluetoo Member Posts: 175
    Don't know much on them stumpy beds, but for the
    real haul, get ya the Chevrolet. Most others have no haul in em, get the one with the haul,
    the Chevrolet now. Good luck on this one now!
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    If by haul, you mean GVWR, the Big Three are almost identical. I think Ford has the highest, although the others may be equal. The Superduty has 8,800 for the 3/4 ton, 9,900 for the 1 ton (single rear wheel), and 11,200 for 1 ton dually.

    If you're talking tow rating, Ford is the highest and Dodge is almost the same. The Superduty 3/4 ton has tow ratings in excess of 14,000 with either the diesel or V-10. Dodge has a tow rating in excess of 14,000 for the 3/4 ton with the diesel and around 13,500 with the V-10. Chevy isn't even in the ballpark when it comes to towing. The highest rating they have is 12,500 with the 7.4L and a 4.56 axle ratio. The highest rating they have with an axle ratio of 4.10 is 11,000.
  • tomk6tomk6 Member Posts: 2
    The Nissan bed is 4.5 feet long, not 3. As for utility vs. an SUV, ever watched someone try to shove a sheet of plywood into an SUV? SUVs are family cars, not trucks.
  • teaganteagan Member Posts: 15
    You people down south better check with a map! Most of the trucks that are so called AMERICAN TRUCKS are made outside of the U.S.A., Like Mexico or Canada and the "rice burner" Toyota is built in the U.S.. So if you are proud of your country and only buy American get a map and buy a Tundra, a truly capable truck. Best power in class, Most ground clearance in class,Best ride and ask Ivan (IRONMAN)Stewart, one heck of a off roader. So YAH HOO REDNECKS!!! there is a truck for you OH WHAT A FEELING TOYOTA.
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    Ford F-150: Virginia
  • teaganteagan Member Posts: 15
    Only one truck in a sea of many, not good enough. These U.S. based companies should build all there cars and trucks in the U.S. The big three should support the people who blindly support them , no matter how bad the product. It's the old," my dad bought Chev his dad bought Chev and I'll buy Chev
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    teagan,
    Are you being sarcastic or serious? Why buy blindly?
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    I don't care where my truck is built. I look for the best truck for my needs and $. The toyota is a fine mid size truck and my only problem is that they are marketing it as a direct competitor to the F150 and dodge and chevy 1500.
  • andy_jordanandy_jordan Member Posts: 764
    teagan:

    Don't try flying the flag on a US built Toyota. Go dig up the facts on the % of vehicles each manufacturer builds in US and then come back and try and support your argument. And don't just tells us the % of Toyota trucks built in US, I am talking the % of vehicles.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    get used to it. I'll buy the best product for my needs regardless of where it's "from".
  • andy_jordanandy_jordan Member Posts: 764
    No you won't.

    To quote you from a now removed and sorely missed topic "I'd have bought a Silverado if it had been made by Toyota"
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    I didn't buy my truck because it was made in the US. I understand the global economy factor, plus the Big 3 make or buy parts in other countries that go into the trucks.

    However, anyone who thinks the Big 3 make lousy full size pickups haven't done their research. There is also the obvious point that none of the foreign manufacturers make full size pickups. The introduction of the new Toyota 1/2 ton is the closest they have come. I'm sure it will be a good truck, but it's not likely to take much, if any, market share away from the Big 3. It's aimed more at car buyers and small truck owners who want to move into a bigger truck.

    You're not going to see many Tundras towing trailers on the hwy. You're also not going to see many Tundras in fleets. In other words, you're not going see many Tundra owners using their trucks for truck purposes. Of course, the same can be said for many truck owners of the Big 3. There is nothing wrong with that. I'd probably own a pickup even if I didn't really need one. The point is that the Big 3 have no need to be overly concerned about Toyota cutting into their pickup sales.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    You don't get it do you? I believe we were discussing a vehicle's country of origin, not who the manufacturer is. I said I'd buy the BEST product for my needs regardless of where it's "from". The Silverado(which is manufactured by GM) is not the BEST product for my needs(whether it's built in Canada, Mexico, or the U.S.). Chevy quality(in my opinion..which is ALL that matters in regards to MY purchases) SUCKS. The Chevy Silverado is not the BEST product for my needs due to Chevy's poor track record with me. If GM were a Japanese company, I still would not have bought the Silverado based on my personal experience with GM. I would have bought the Silverado if Toyota made it(based on personal experience). I probably would have bought it if Ford had made it(based on experiece with our work vehicles).
    No chance of me buying a Chevy product at this time. Just curious, why do you care what type of vehicle anybody buys? You bought a Dodge and it doesn't bother me in the least. I don't care if everybody on the planet buys a Silverado. What gives? You are not still "p----d" off are you?
  • andy_jordanandy_jordan Member Posts: 764
    This forum is supposed to be for constructive comments on trucks - if topics aren't then they get the wrath of Meredith. I don't care what you drive, I do care about what people discover when they come here.

    You say you bought the best truck for your needs - no you didn't. You freely admit that the truck that you would have been most likely to buy would have been a Silverado, had it been made by someone else. That suggests to me that it was the truck that best met your needs.

    However you didn't buy it because of your bad experiences with GM - fine. I have no problem with you not buying GM because you are concerned about reliability, just don't claim you bought the best truck for your needs.

    What you really appear to be saying is that the Silverado was the best truck for your needs, but because of reliability concerns you opted for the Toyota Tundra instead.

    Now I know your comeback is going to be that you needed reliability, but most truck owners will not consider this to be a 'need' when buying a truck simply because modern trucks - regardless of make can be considered reliable for 50,000 miles plus with regular maintenance. You will notice that I said reliable not perfect - there are always dud trucks. 'Needs' would be considered by most to be seating, comfort, towing capacity, payload capacity, handling, power etc.

    And if you don't care what people buy, why waste time here sharing experiences and opinions?
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    Thank you for clarifying my needs. I thought I needed a truck that would start every time I turned the key but I guess I was wrong. I thought I needed a truck that wouldn't need a tranny before 60,000 miles but I guess I was wrong. I thought I needed a truck with a phenomenal ride but I guess I was wrong. I thought I needed a truck with a quiet-as-a -vault cab but I guess I was wrong. I thought I needed a truck with excellent acceleration and great stopping ability but I guess I was wrong. I thought a truck with a 7200lbs tow rating would fit my needs but I guess I was wrong. I thought a needed a 4-door truck but I guess I was wrong. I thought I needed a truck from a manufacturer with an excellent track record of producing vehicles with high resale value but I guess I was wrong. I thought 245 HP and 315 ft/lbs of torque would fit my needs but I guess I was wrong. I could go on and on about what I thought I needed but there is no reason to. I should have consulted you regarding my purchase. Where were you in July?
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    The only thing I WISHED the Tundra had(at purchase time) that was "Silverado-like" was a more comfortable backseat. However, in reality, the Tundra's rear seats have been fine for my NEEDS. My kids and my "stuff" have been completely comfortable back there.
  • andy_jordanandy_jordan Member Posts: 764
    Why would you have bought a Silverado if it had been produced my Toyota. I am genuinely confused - in one topic you say that the only thing that put you off was the badge - the insinuation being that with Toyota reliability you would have bought it - now you suggest it didn't come close to your needs. As long as you understand what you need.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    I didn't mean to suggest that the Silverado didn't come close to my needs(EXCEPT for reliability). I was simply responding to your "suggestion" that I did not buy the best truck for MY needs. Essentially, you called me a liar. I take issue with that. My needs DO include excellent reliability. I cannot comprehend why you don't consider it a need. What good are all the bells and whistles(including a roomy backseat) if the truck is in the shop being repaired? I expect a vehicle to give me more than 50,000 trouble-free miles. I am not saying you're "wrong". I just don't agree with you. The answer to the question as to why I would buy a Silverado if it were made by Toyota is simple. I could have all of my NEEDS met and had my WISH for a larger backseat at the same time(and, I bet Toyota would have put 4 doors on it, too). As far as I'm concerned, the Tundra is the finest full-size/three-quarter size truck available. You have the right to disagree but, my needs are met fully. Going forward, I think you and I should ignore each other's posts. It is blatantly obvious that we don't agree. Our bickering serves no good here. I'll ignore you if you ignore me. Have we got a deal?
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    tp4unc described my truck in post 229 except for the low tow rating and hp and torque numbers. Does he own a Ford too?
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    My company has a 98 F150 and a 1973 Ford dump truck. I have nothing against Ford's. I notice you have the F350 SD Dually. I personally think that the SD 350 Dually is the best looking truck on the market today. Our framer has a black one with the diesel. It is awesome....just not the truck for me. Enjoy.
  • lvstanglvstang Member Posts: 149
    .... the fact that if it's not there opinion than it must be wrong. Geez ,andy jordan give up already trying to shove your opinion down everyone's throats.
  • andy_jordanandy_jordan Member Posts: 764
    If you are incapable of making your own mind up, then I apologise. But all of these topics would be pretty dull if everyone agreed with everyone else. Now I know you drive a Toyota, and wish to defend it - fine.

    But don't presume that you know anything about me and therefore feel that you can pass judgement or tell me what I can and can't do.
  • lvstanglvstang Member Posts: 149
    Nope, don't own a Toyota and you are amazing in your hypocrisy.
  • eusasceusasc Member Posts: 91
    Friends don't let friends post on Edmunds. Good luck with that one now......
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    uh oh.......Rubys in the mist.......
  • teaganteagan Member Posts: 15
    Can any of the big three supporters out there give any FACTS where there truck beats the Toyota? Now try and keep your personal opinion on looks out of this, because we all know that good looks are a personal thing. So do a little homework and let the best truck win. All I am trying to do is get some people to see that this truck is FULL SIZE not mid size and give the truck a shot. It's a nice unit. Thank you.
  • bob259bob259 Member Posts: 280
    I just thought it may be interesting to everyone w that Toyota consulted with the GM design and Truck engineering team on the new Tundra. A comment was we know cars but boy do they know trucks...

    They are all good, only some are better, and if we all liked the same thing there would only be a need for 1 manufacture.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    The latest issue of Trailer Life just arrived and there was a letter to the editor. The person was a Tundra owner who was shocked to read in his owner's manual that Toyota does not recommend exceeding 45mph when towing because the of the potential for excessive wobble or porpoising.

    Not to worry Tundra owners. Trailer Life said that when Toyota first started making trucks for towing RVs about 20 years, they consulted several companies with towing experience. One of those companies was U-Haul. If you've ever rented a U-Haul trailer, they all say that you should not exceed 45mph when towing. It's even written in reverse on the wheel well, so you can see it in your side mirrors when you are driving. Obviously, U-Haul posts the 45mph limit for libailiby reasons.

    It was an oversight on Toyota's part not to remove the wording from their owners manual, which they have since done. Trailer Life assured the letter writer that as long as he stayed within the manufacturer's tow limits, GVWR and GCWR, there was no problem towing at regular highway speeds with everyone else.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    Sit in the back seat of any of the big three and then sit in the Tundra. Now check the cargo box dimensions.
  • 98_svt_cobra98_svt_cobra Member Posts: 13
    It rides like a sports car, not at all like a truck, will run high 13's or better in the 1/4, could probably out run your Toyota while pulling my boat, and out handle it by a wide margin. It is stock and yes it is a Lightning. Must concede that it would not fit your needs. I like fast and it is the fastest (stock) truck ever made. No flame intended, but you asked. BTW the "it's made in the US" argument doesn't hold water. Most components are not made here. Final assembly is done here with the Foreign sub assemblys. Of your purchase price probably about $50-$100 (two-four hours is typical assembly line time for a vehicle) ended up in the auto workers pocket, the rest went to pay for the foreign sub assemblys, and all the profit (other than dealer profit) went to Japan.
  • gustusgustus Member Posts: 14
    Kids in Japan deserve to eat.Work for my pay will spend it where I find quality which is hard to do anymore.Quality is more than commercials and words.If some kids got part of my money from the Tundra I would say they probaly deserve more.Hope they are warm tonight.Hope every one enjoys their trucks regardless of kind.My thoughts today.
  • eusasceusasc Member Posts: 91
    0-60 in about 3 seconds. 1/4 in 11 seconds (you think 13 in the 1/4 is fast???). Top speed is around 165 MPH. It does have an aftermarket pipe on it. On top of all that I get great gas milage. Not a single piece is made or assembled in the US. Care to race title for title?????
  • parkman50parkman50 Member Posts: 63
    gustus, you be funny. Japan already rich. Please give money to American car make. It feed Mexican and Canadian children tonight.

    easusc, Yes, I will race for title. I have a little yamaha. it too made not here. It name start with V. You like to lose your bicycle? My bike all stock, but still take you. Do you think 11 seconds is fast?? Mine much faster.

    jump, if you feel froggy.
  • parkman50parkman50 Member Posts: 63
    OK eusasc and SVT Cobra, I have designed the perfect race for titles. Winner is chosen based on lowest cummulative total time of these three races.

    race 1) standard 1/4 mile race
    race 2) wet road 1/4 mile race
    race 3) pulling other competitor 1/4 mile

    Since this a truck forum, we needed to make a truck type race event. I guess race 3 would take the 750cc bike about 20-30 minutes to complete if it could get the truck moving.

    Happy motoring.
  • andy_jordanandy_jordan Member Posts: 764
    A useful conversation - lets compare the 1/4 mile of a truck against the 1/4 mile of a bike.

    I used to ride - some idiot pulled out in front of me in a car. Cost me a lot of flesh and bone.

    I used to drive a car - some idiot pulled out in front of me in a car. Cost me a little bit of flesh and bone.

    Now I drive a truck - god help the idiot in the car.
  • parkman50parkman50 Member Posts: 63
    did you copy that from somewhere? I've heard that same saying somewhere...
  • andy_jordanandy_jordan Member Posts: 764
    Wasn't aware it was 'out there', it actually happened to me.
  • eusasceusasc Member Posts: 91
    Kind of like comparing a Lightning to a truck.
  • eusasceusasc Member Posts: 91
    As a matter of fact I do feel froggy. I'll pick the place you let me know when. Bring your little EXUP.
  • johnrr1johnrr1 Member Posts: 70
    i see you are a true TOYota lover , did you buy it because it's a TOYota or because you need a truck ? i was watching one of their (TOYotas) silly commercials the other nite and noticed the fine print ... did you ??? ... the tow rating , horsepower , and acceleration is based on BASE engine ... which i also assume that TOYota only has one engine , i'll hook my DODGE to the TOYota and drag in around the parking lot . i've towed above the max rating with my dodge with no problems , and it wasn't unsafe , a TOYota may have a better name , but its for their cars and pickups of the early to mid 80's , i work with someone that traded his 86 with 185,000 miles for a 94 and he wishes he kept the 86 , i bought a dodge because i needed a TRUCK not a cutesy TOY .... sorry if this seems like an attack but all i hear is about relability ... HELLO !!!! , its the first model year ... THERE WILL BE PROBLEMS ... its murphy's law ... and andy just one question , who whizzed in your wheaties ???? mellow out ...
  • eusasceusasc Member Posts: 91
    About as fast as a Lightning will.
  • andy_jordanandy_jordan Member Posts: 764
    Why was post 260 directed at me too????

    If the suggestion was that I am a toiletta hugger then johnrr1 is one out of touch dude.

    If that wasn't the suggestion I really don't know what it was about - help me out here.
  • eusasceusasc Member Posts: 91
    Shhhhh, I think johnrr1 already explained himself. You know Dodge, Different.
  • andy_jordanandy_jordan Member Posts: 764
    Geez, is it me - yea eusasc that'd explain it. Not too in touch yourself either are you.

    Just take a look at what I drive. Go on, click on my name, it won't hurt.
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