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I found a website for Nissan aftermarket products
www.4x4parts.com I have not ordered anything from them, so don't know how their service will be.
My friend owns 3 manual frontier and he uses it for a delivery business. He has hit 60,000 miles (with routine maintenance) on all of them and he reports no problems.
I have taken offroad several times. It handles great, the low range is great, and no suspension bottoming. I don't know what they were doing on the Edmunds road test, but it had to be crazy to bottom the suspension.
During our debate between the Ranger and Nissan quality/reliablity was brought up. Well, better check www.carpoint.msn.com for Ranger/Nissan reliablity numbers, Fords are VERY different from 10 years ago. Check them, across the board reliablity is up way up.
I do like the new 4door Nissan coming out, can anyone say market nich??
tacoma. Not to mention it is smooth, refined and tough.
I live at 6,000ft. elevation and routinely four wheel at places over 10,000ft. elevation. The Ranger 4.0 does not perform as well up here as the Nissan 3.3. My friends Rangers and Explorers lose a substantial amount of power as you go up in altitude, the Nissan doesn't.
I have owned three Ford trucks. A nice 1954 F100 flairside shortbed, an excellent 1964 F100 normal bed and an ok 1981 normal bed. When I looked at new trucks, I looked at the Ford Ranger and the F 150. The Ranger is a piece of junk that should have the Mazda name on it. It does not deserve to wear the Ford name. The F150 was nice, almost as nice as the Nissan I bought.
The Nissan really does drive better than the other trucks, both on and off road. In fact, I think I will go for a drive while you Ranger owners spend the rest of your night trying to repair your "trucks."
Pricing;crew cab
Loaded out 4x2 SE with automatic, power package, sunroof CD player etc. MSRP $22,367! Not too bad.
XE 4x2 5spd, with manual windows and locks, but a three disc changer MSRP $19,082 same truck with an auto and A couple other minor extras, $20,132!
Pricing; desert runner.
Loaded out auto, sunroof power everything, nicer interior cd player, LSD etc. MSRP $21,657.
We already have two crew cabs potentially sold talking to a few salesmen, and maybe one desert runner, Well go see them!
I sat in the back of the Nissan crew cab at the Denver auto show, wel I attempted to sit back there, I am 6'2" 230lbs and my legs wouldn't fit behind the drivers seat where they had it set at. Now it was fixed in place so that you couldn't move it, but it was much to small for anyone my size. I felt like it had the same amount of room as the Chevy and Ford x cabs and more than the Tundra. I don't really fit in any of these vehicles.
Greg Hoppes
Whoops! I guess I was wrong. It must be the same guy after all, because now it sounds like the same misinformation he used to preach. In reality, it's the Tacoma 4x4 that has the most powerful standard four-cylinder engine in a compact pickup.
It seemed awfully quiet lately, so I thought I'd try to get things moving again.
before you spout misinformation, you ought to read! I said since I "don't go 4x4ing" I went with the most powerful four cylinder out there, the standard 4x2 toyota comes with the 2.41 142hp engine. Or do you think it is irrelevent to compare the models that most people buy? And please tell us the other misinformation I preached before, if I have said something wrong I admit it, but so far everything I have said is 100% true!
Some more about the crewcab;
I drove one after I posted last, very smooth and quiet! felt very much like the pathfinder. Those that complained about the dash before will be happy to learn that Nissan changed this a little bit too, it is now two-tone instead of monotone grey, looks pretty good, stereo system looks good and you can get a 6 speaker system on the loaded out ones now! I thought the bed looked kind of funny, cube shaped and disproportionate to the rest of the truck, but after I thought about it, there really wasn't anything that I carried in my king cab that I couldn't fit there somehow, especially with the bed extender and the tailgate down. BTW we don't have the extenders yet, seems like the government still needs to clear it for some reason or another. Fit and finish was extremely good, no gaps or squeaks and rattles from the extra doors or anywhere else, even going over the lousy roads they are working on around here. Also you can get 16" wheels on some of them too, they are "X" shaped and look good, the desert runner has a new smoke grey color that looks remarkably good on the truck. Step rails are fatter and have a kind of dull mettalic finish on them, they look good, but it seems like they stick out a little farther, may be a problem for those like me who don't use them to get in and out. Oh well, time for me to go dream up some more misinformation!
No, most people don't race in 4x4 pickups. But they do like lots of torque for offroading and hauling/pulling stuff. And a little acceleration on the road is nice too. That's where the V6 comes in. Yes, currently it is a nice midlevel V6 that competes well with the Ford 3.0L. But as soon as Ford drops the 205hp V6 from the Explorer into the Ranger, Frontier will be WAY outgunned in the V6 department. I was just wondering if Nissan thought about that and plans to offer an optional, more powerful V6, like every other truck maker. I guess the answer is no.
In response to the 4 banger argument, I believe Toyota does, in fact, have a more powerful I4 in their 4x4 trucks. But, as you've mentioned before, the Toyota 4 banger costs more than a V6 Frontier. As far as value, I think Nissan comes out way on top.
BTW, why do you want an Xterra if you don't go offroading? Isn't the truck more useful, especially if you're the only one driving in it?
actually before, I mentioned that for the 2001 model pathfinder there will be a hp boost I am sure that engine will find its way into the frontier. Yes the truck is more usefull, the xterra is a purely emotion decision, occasionally I have need for more passenger space, I probabaly won't get the xterra at least not for awhile.
I am sure there will still be king cab frontiers,
I think people can choose if they want the extra cargo space or the extra passenger space. I don't know why dodge would make that move unless they cannot produce enough platforms for both.
The Xterra is supposed to be here "early" next month or "late" this month, along with the regular line of 4x2 pickups with the V6. I now need to check the prices on these and wait for the "I've got to be the first on the block" folks to get over the fever so I can get a discount from the sticker price.
Those crewcabs look GOOD. I sat in the backseat; it was tight, but I "could" survive if I didn't have to go far. I really like the looks of that Desert Runner, though. It is nice.
Thanks for the answer. BTW, I visited the Nissan web page today and looked at the Crewcab display. I must say it is a very nice looking truck. Do the roof rack and bed extender come standard with the SE model? It looks like with that stuff, you shouldn't lose too much hauling ability even with the shorter bed. Also saw the page on the new Maxima. A 220 hp V6? 212 ft-lbs of torque? Wow! Now they need to work that magic on the Frontier's engine, IMHO.
it looks like those items will be accessories, I have a loaded out SE and it did not have the extender or roof rack. My parts manager said that he was going to order them, but couldn't until next month, I think the DOT has to approve them or something. Yes it looks like I am going to have a busy June!
SKG;
I really think it will be hard if not impossible to get a discount until the next production run, Nissan does not have enough platforms to make alot of all of them, they are already sacrificing the regular cab 4x2 chasis, so if you want one of these, go out there now!
Has anyone out there actually bought a Frontier, or are you all too busy reading these endless lists of stats.
also I have a Frontier brochure that describes a "class 2 trailer hitch" as a dealer accessory -- what is the difference between a class II hitch and a class III hitch?
Thanks
I know this is off topic, but I know Vince comes here. I know you won't like to hear it, but we had a guy try to trade his 99 contour SVT in today on a crewcab. I admit I was curious about all the fuss, so I played used car appraiser in the hopes I could put it through the works. No luck, the guy would not let me go with out him. He proceeded to tell me all about the engineering behind it, most of it went right over my head, so I did not feel comfortable flooring it and whipping around corners. (probabaly why he wanted to go) I liked the new looks more than the old, it had everything, leather sunroof, cd player power seats and only 9,000 miles. Overall, it did not seem too bad, (they also swiped Nissan's white faced gauges) so now I can say I drove one Vince. Oh and bad news, he told me how he had paid about $21,000 for it, I was kind of guessing $15,000 in my head.
It was a five speed, since it is kind of a specialty car, we called the ford dealer to give us a bid, I don't think it would sell on our lot.
The Ford dealer said he wouldn't give us more than
$10,500! We will call to get other bids on monday,
but I could not believe the ford dealer did not even want it. Needless to say, the guy freaked at the bid, but he will let us work on it sommore, but I don't see getting more than $12,500. So I guess if someone wants to buy an SVT, don't buy the stick unless you really want the car for awhile.
Oh, we sold two of the three crew cabs today, the left over one was a stick XE, have an order for the next yellow one in. We also sold one desert runner, and two left over 98 regular cabs. Not a bad truck day!
Bonnie Rick
Town Hall Community Manager, edmunds.com
I have a couple of crewcabs, if you look back a couple of posts, you can see the MSRP I have listed and what I have, these are all 4x2 CC's, if you want 4x4, I am guessing adding about $1500 for it.
you can look at JD power &associates which gave the frontier highest in initial quality award, You can also check out intellichoice.com, where the frontier won several awards, also I believe consumers digest did a feature also.
I am sure you read the review on the Frontier at Edmunds. What is up with the 22K+ price tag for a V6 Frontier???? The price advantage we debated is gone now bud. The Ranger V6 4.0 can be had for 2K less!
go back and look at the equipment they had on there, every possible option! Power windows/Locks,
cruise, tilt, cd player keyless entry with alarm,
off road package, LSD, sport package and so on, the regular XE V-6 5spd that is comparable to the
$20,000+ ranger has an MSRP of $19,759 including destination, So comparing apples to apples, Nissan
still has the price advantage. I knew the contour did not hold it's value, but I was still surprised that the dealer did not even want it, I think you have the right idea, if someone liked the car and either planned on keeping it until it was paid off or went with a lease or smartbuy and turned it back in, they would probabaly do OK.
The Contour my wife and I have I would guess be worth about 6 - 8K by the time we trade in about 5-7 years. That would be a 8-10K depreciation loss. But, as I have said her car is loaded with leather and too many goodies to list and what a ride!.
I would buy a Frontier V6 SE in a minute if Nissan would come out with low financing. Rebates count as taxable income, so Uncle Sam helps himself to 15 or maybe 33 per cent of whatever you get depending on your tax bracket.
I don't need a lot of towing power--kayaks are pretty much my speed--but I don't want to be cussing up hills either. Opinions?
I have a four cylinder 4x2 frontier now, it's perfect for me, but if I got the Xterra, I would definitely go with the 6 because of the extra weight and the fact that I would probabaly have more people in it then.
freeflyer;
on 98 models, Nissan is offering 5.9% for 60 months, I have had folks that bought a car that did not qualify for this rate but got about 6.5%anyway, not much different. So far as the rebate being taxable income, I am not sure about that, Nissan does not send out a 1099 and I have never heard of anyone claiming it on their taxes,
but then again, I have never thought about it to check the law.
I now have 2500 miles on my new Frontier, it's the best truck I have ever owned.
I also found that the Ford dealers were not willing to deal. I talked to three of them, all of them were at least $2000.00 more than the Nissan dealer. Don't waste your money on the Ford, go with the Nissan.
The Frontier has always been my first choice. I looked at the Ranger but my Dad told me to avoid the Fords (Fix Or Repair Daily).
Thanks
I find it hard to believe that they were really selling a king cab for that price, I could see a regular cab going for around there. Anyway, the college grad program and rebates are a national thing for the most part, only difference is if the region uses Nissan's money as a rebate or dealer incentive, but regardless the money is still there. Also $2,000 rebates are only on 98's, $1,000 on 99's, I think there must be some miscommunication somewhere.
Its no mistake however. There are about 10 nissan dealers in the Greater Phoenix area and up until a few weeks ago they were all advertising at or around 10k for the king cab. The price did not include freight, tax title etc. but they were all advertising the king cab with the value truck package. Maybe the dealers out here are all suffering from sunstroke. It was 100 degrees yesterday.